Staying single to collect welfare benefits

[blanq]

I don't think you can really compare the mayhem after Katrina to who all is cheating the welfare system. A lot of people that would NEVER qualify for any kind of assistance were getting every thing they could after Katrina. I know at least 2 people here that are still making money off Katrina. The state and federal governement was trying to get money and vouchers out as quickly as possible to the people that needed it and in the process didn't have time or manpower to double check on this stuff. FEMA started sending out checks willy nilly to people, so several people that had NO damage got checks then the checks stopped being so easy to get and some folks that lost their homes got NO check.

Here EBT cards were given to everyone in certain counties made no difference whether you lost food or not nor did it matter if you needed it or not. Some people were given vouchers for chain saws and generators. We had trees all over our yard and house, we didn't get one (I don't fault the people who did) and we were without lights for 6 weeks, we missed out on the generators too The Red Cross sent out checks for like $500 or some such, again, we were at the tail in of applying and didn't receive anything.

What happened after Katrina wasn't so much people cheating the governement as the government (state and federal) and other organizations not knowing what the heck to do to get the most help to the people who needed it.

This is true. In our state, rules concerning certain types of verification were suspended during this period to address the needs of families displaced by the hurricane. The disaster itself was overwhelming, but so was trying to help those displaced because of it. I am sure there were people during that period who received assistance that should not have but I think everyone administering aid during that time was just trying to pinch hit.

 

[lillygator]

Absolutely! The thing I don't like is the generalization that just because insurance is available to me and my family, that I should be able to make changes to be able to afford it. I defy anyone to live on under $0 a month. Yes, that's under zero. No dollars. None. In fact, I defy anyone to go to the grocery store and buy groceries on minus $200 a month. Yes, that's LESS THAN NO MONEY. UNDER NONE. How, please tell me, can I work that into my budget?

It probably wouldn't bother me so much, but the post IMMEDIATELY after my post (complaining that I had to pay in $200 more than my WHOLE PAYCHECK while my in law gets all medical/dental/vision care for free because she's lazy) someone posted that I should be able to work it into my budget if I just cut out all my "luxuries" that I don't have. (okay, I typed a lot more here, but deleted out that ranting, because I'm getting too angry)

(generally speaking) what many don't realize that gym memberships, electronic game systems, cell phones, kids extracurricular activities and the stuff that you have to purchase with that, drive thru's, and name brand clothes all add up and these same people are turning around saying that the insurance is too expensive. If you (general you) feel it is too expensive and feel those other things are necessities, that is fine but don't complain about it, if it was so important to you (general you) you'd find a way to make it work just as you (general you) find a way to pay for those things as well as trips and other items that are purchased. But no, just complain and insist the government provide it for you.

 

[padams]

Who is John Galt?

 

[shrubber]

Who is John Galt?

must have seen my bumper sticker

 

[luvsJack]

(generally speaking) what many don't realize that gym memberships, electronic game systems, cell phones, kids extracurricular activities and the stuff that you have to purchase with that, drive thru's, and name brand clothes all add up and these same people are turning around saying that the insurance is too expensive. If you (general you) feel it is too expensive and feel those other things are necessities, that is fine but don't complain about it, if it was so important to you (general you) you'd find a way to make it work just as you (general you) find a way to pay for those things as well as trips and other items that are purchased. But no, just complain and insist the government provide it for you.

I don't get the responses Darsa keeps getting on this. She has said several times that if she purchases insurance for her family her PAYCHECK will be negative 200.00.

Maybe Darsa needs to correct me but that would mean to me that she makes, for instance, $1800 a month; the insurance would be $2000 a month. Soooo, she would need to come up with $200 a month to put with her paycheck to pay for insurance. (just pulling numbers out of the air, here)

So how is cutting out anything going to make that any different?? If instead she takes that $1800 a month and pays rent, buys groceries and then takes the rest and spends it on little pink tennis shoes--her check is still not going to be $2000 and it STILL is not going to cover the insurance and if she did get the insurance she wouldn't be able to pay the rent and buy groceries!

 

[mickeylove2]

I don't get the responses Darsa keeps getting on this. She has said several times that if she purchases insurance for her family her PAYCHECK will be negative 200.00.

Maybe Darsa needs to correct me but that would mean to me that she makes, for instance, $1800 a month; the insurance would be $2000 a month. Soooo, she would need to come up with $200 a month to put with her paycheck to pay for insurance. (just pulling numbers out of the air, here)

So how is cutting out anything going to make that any different?? If instead she takes that $1800 a month and pays rent, buys groceries and then takes the rest and spends it on little pink tennis shoes--her check is still not going to be $2000 and it STILL is not going to cover the insurance and if she did get the insurance she wouldn't be able to pay the rent and buy groceries!

No, I think it's AFTER all the neccessities, *if* she had to pay for insurance she would be negative $200 per month. Like she makes $1800, spend $1600 on neccessities and the insurance is $400 a month, so she can't afford it, she would be -$200. Make sense???

 

[Muushka]

Who is John Galt?

I don't know, but I have a feeling he would be a wonderful leader.
Perhaps if things get bad enough, someone will ask him his opinion!

must have seen my bumper sticker

I need to get me one of those!

 

[lillygator]

I don't get the responses Darsa keeps getting on this. She has said several times that if she purchases insurance for her family her PAYCHECK will be negative 200.00.

Maybe Darsa needs to correct me but that would mean to me that she makes, for instance, $1800 a month; the insurance would be $2000 a month. Soooo, she would need to come up with $200 a month to put with her paycheck to pay for insurance. (just pulling numbers out of the air, here)

So how is cutting out anything going to make that any different?? If instead she takes that $1800 a month and pays rent, buys groceries and then takes the rest and spends it on little pink tennis shoes--her check is still not going to be $2000 and it STILL is not going to cover the insurance and if she did get the insurance she wouldn't be able to pay the rent and buy groceries!

I am just quoting her since she was quoting me, my responses aren't meant for her situation in particular.

 

[lovin diz]

I don't get the responses Darsa keeps getting on this. She has said several times that if she purchases insurance for her family her PAYCHECK will be negative 200.00.

Maybe Darsa needs to correct me but that would mean to me that she makes, for instance, $1800 a month; the insurance would be $2000 a month. Soooo, she would need to come up with $200 a month to put with her paycheck to pay for insurance. (just pulling numbers out of the air, here)

So how is cutting out anything going to make that any different?? If instead she takes that $1800 a month and pays rent, buys groceries and then takes the rest and spends it on little pink tennis shoes--her check is still not going to be $2000 and it STILL is not going to cover the insurance and if she did get the insurance she wouldn't be able to pay the rent and buy groceries!

i wont speak for darsa, but here is what it is for some:

Salary $1800 per month
food 400 per month
2 kids base ball team 200 per month
cell phone + internet service for all 4 people in the house $200 per month

THen you hear...I cant afford insurance....

Darsa, i am not saying this about you...You seem to be doing the best you can...It is sad when people who do need help, dont get the help they truly need

 

[Darsa]

LuvsJack has it exactly right. The numbers are even very close; if I have my husband and my daughter on my insurance policy, MEDICAL insurance only, not vision or dental, I will be giving the insurance company my WHOLE PAYCHECK. Plus an additional $200 on top of it. Per month.

I am sorry if I wasn't being clear, I honestly thought I was. These amounts are before I pay for ANYTHING. Anything at all; meaning that I will START OUT WITH minus $200 before I pay for any necessities, real or imagined.



EDIT: Oh, and before it's mentioned and I'm judged for it, my daughter attends dance classes. My father pays for it. Since my mom died, her continuing to dance is dependent upon whether or not my husband can find a job when he graduates, since my dad will have a lot less money.

 

[luvsJack]

No, I think it's AFTER all the neccessities, *if* she had to pay for insurance she would be negative $200 per month. Like she makes $1800, spend $1600 on neccessities and the insurance is $400 a month, so she can't afford it, she would be -$200. Make sense???

delted my response as Darsa responded too!

 

[mickeylove2]

LuvsJack has it exactly right. The numbers are even very close; if I have my husband and my daughter on my insurance policy, MEDICAL insurance only, not vision or dental, I will be giving the insurance company my WHOLE PAYCHECK. Plus an additional $200 on top of it. Per month.

I am sorry if I wasn't being clear, I honestly thought I was. These amounts are before I pay for ANYTHING. Anything at all; meaning that I will START OUT WITH minus $200 before I pay for any necessities, real or imagined.



EDIT: Oh, and before it's mentioned and I'm judged for it, my daughter attends dance classes. My father pays for it. Since my mom died, her continuing to dance is dependent upon whether or not my husband can find a job when he graduates, since my dad will have a lot less money.

Oh, wow, I had it all wrong! Sorry! Um, that's insane...there have to be private insurance you can buy for cheaper than that. My DBil has private Blue Cross and him, DSis and their 4 children, their 5th is adopted through the state so she's covered by Medical Assistance, are covered and I think he said he pays like $600 a month. ANd it's really good insurance...you should look into something like that. Also, have you applied for MA for your DD? It's worth a shot to see if you qualify.

 

[Art 1]

I pay $366 each WEEK for insurance for my family and me. I could have another very nice car for that money but I choose to be responsible and pay my own way. It makes me sick to see so many moochers out there. Besides my normal income deductions I have an extra $100 per week taken out and I still have to pay at the end of the year. Some lazy bums get $4000 to $5000 back in taxes because of income credits, I doubt they pay$100 a YEAR in payroll taxes. This cannot keep going on like this.

Many welfare recipients have tattoos, drink, smoke and take drugs. They should be tested monthly, no test, flunk test, no check. They should have to do some kind of community service for these checks.

Now two posters on this thread feel that the tax payers should pay all medical bills. How do you propose to fund this. What would be covered. Maternity? Teenage and un-wed pregnancies, people injured while drinking and taking drugs, bungee jumpers? It makes no sense.

 

[NatashaDisneyCM]

sorry, but I knew about this stuff well over 30 years ago! oh, and did you know that there are illegal people around here also getting benefits??? ya, there are! as long as there has been benefits out there will be people collecting who should not be collecting, it is reality! But you also do not know what is "really" going on over there.....I would just mind your own business!

 

[lillygator]

I don't know who is judging you on your daughters dance, but that can be expensive....he could very well use that money to help purchase insurance instead of that though even if it was a private policy - if that was a priority to you.

Where the heck is everyone working that has insurance costing the employees 1000+ a month for insurance???

 

[lovin diz]

sorry, but I knew about this stuff well over 30 years ago! oh, and did you know that there are illegal people around here also getting benefits??? ya, there are! as long as there has been benefits out there will be people collecting who should not be collecting, it is reality! But you also do not know what is "really" going on over there.....I would just mind your own business!

I might be misunderstanding your post...but ....isnt it our business if our tax dollars are used??

 

[disneydreamersx4]

OP I would turn in that co-worker for possible fraud! just sayin'

And I agree that illegal aliens should NOT be getting anything for free

 

[Art 1]

OP I would turn in that co-worker for possible fraud! just sayin'

And I agree that illegal aliens should NOT be getting anything for free

Well, maybe a free ride back to the Canadian or Mexican border.

 

[blanq]

I pay $366 each WEEK for insurance for my family and me. I could have another very nice car for that money but I choose to be responsible and pay my own way. It makes me sick to see so many moochers out there. Besides my normal income deductions I have an extra $100 per week taken out and I still have to pay at the end of the year. Some lazy bums get $4000 to $5000 back in taxes because of income credits, I doubt they pay$100 a YEAR in payroll taxes. This cannot keep going on like this.

Many welfare recipients have tattoos, drink, smoke and take drugs. They should be tested monthly, no test, flunk test, no check. They should have to do some kind of community service for these checks.

Now two posters on this thread feel that the tax payers should pay all medical bills. How do you propose to fund this. What would be covered. Maternity? Teenage and un-wed pregnancies, people injured while drinking and taking drugs, bungee jumpers? It makes no sense.

Lord help all of those welfare recipients with tattoos. And I bet they sold their food stamps to get them too. So, I want to hear more about this "monthly test" you are proposing. We want them to line up at the welfare office so their workers can check their arms for tattoos? Is that the general idea? Sorry...couldn't resist.

 

[mhsjax]

So, by not being married and qualifying for benefits, that means she doesn't NEED the benefits?

No it means that they are using the system. They know exactly what they are doing. I worked for and OBGYN for 12 years, one patient in particular comes to mind. She was dropped off in a new BMW. (I was returnign from my bank run) and I saw her. I checked her out when she was done. This was her 4th child, on medicaid. Her previous 3 had been taken away. She was literally dripping in gold and wearing designer clothes. She said to me and I quote. I just keep having babies as long as the govt' pays me to have them. She told me she had no intention of ever working. The govt takes care of her just fine.

Now if you don't have a problem with your tax dollars gong for this type of thing, I will send you a bill for my portion of it.