Staying single to collect welfare benefits

If the system is broken, as stated repeatedly here in this thread, then focus on fixing or amending the system and not bashing those who are being supported by the system.

If the current way of doing things in the many states is not something supported by the majority of the people in that state, then elect people who will make the changes the majority want.

Focus on doing something with the outrage instead of just bashing others, which serves only to make those doing the bashing look ignorant and uniformed.

How would you suppose the loophole get closed? Should anyone applying for health benefits have to have a home visit first? Should the father of the child have to be held responsible for the health care? How many children can a woman have while receiving state benefits?
 
I have not read what others have said because it won't change the way I feel about this issue. I just can't get all worked up over this. I think the state (or, more specifically federal government) should pay for everyone's heath care.

Why?????????
 
So, by not being married and qualifying for benefits, that means she doesn't NEED the benefits? :confused:

It means that if she is living with osomeone and having her second child clearly there must be some money available, they live somewhere, they eat, one would assume they are clothed and perhaps even do some fun things. If she were married, she would be on his benefits if he had any available to him, which presumably he does since the point was made that they haven't married so she could get her health benefits through the state. Of course, that would also mean that there would be a larger deduction from his paycheck to cover the employee part of the benefit cost, as opposed to now when she is getting healthcare for free.
 

How many Canadian citizens are illegally living in the US?

I don't know. An immigration officer in Miami told me years ago that at that time illegal Canadians were the largest group that they were dealing with in that area. Don't know if it was true but he had no reason to lie.
 
OH MY GOODNESS

I spend $10 a month on a gym membership as I said, yes. I had been trying to lose weight to be able to be eligible to be a live liver donor and save my mother's live, which incidentally did not work, she died. I still pay $10 a month, yes; mom died on 3/25, fourteen days ago, so yes, my membership is still valid. If I cancel my membership, I have to pay a $59 fee.

Can you please tell me where you are getting medical/dental/vision insurance for your family for $10 a month? I would like to sign up. :rolleyes:

I cannot believe I'm being given this crap because I chose to blow $10 a month to go to the gym to try to save my mom, rather than go running outside in Maine in the winter. I cannot believe that you are being so completely judgemental of me, and I take great offense to that, and your assumptions. :mad:

I am so sorry about your mother. :( :sad1: I know how hard you had been trying to help her from reading your posts. I'm sorry.
 
Interesting how this thread seems to be flying under the radar... pushing the "no political debate" rule ...

One thing that needs to be made perfectly clear. Whether "you" like it or not, eligibility rules and regulations exist, backed most often by laws.

People who qualify, do so according to the current rules and regulations.

If you don't like that, THEN CHANGE THE LAWS. Work through the system that is set up in this country to CHANGE the laws.

"They all vote" is one of the dumbest excuses I've heard on this topic to date. That concept alone implies that there are more people "on welfare" "cheating the system" than there are not.

Well, that's an interesting concept.

How many of you (this is RHETORICAL no need to answer) TRULY know what you are talking about? How many of you have actually worked in an eligibility determination capacity and seen what people go through to apply and be found eligible and what they need to do to maintain that eligibility?

How many of you are simply parroting what you have heard? How many of you have actual, hard and fast data to support your comments about all those "cheaters of the system?"

Don't like that your tax dollars are going to provide healthcare, food and housing to someone who would otherwise not have it?

Then why don't YOU move to a place where you don't have to support those who are in need?

Seriously, this thread is disgusting. Bigotry, intolerance, inexcusable ignorance are rampant here.

Enjoy your superior selves... and I hope you are never out of work, never injured beyond what your healthcare can cover, never suffer a catastrophic event in your lives that interrupts your financial stability and causes you to have to go to a system that parcels out assistance with an eye dropper.

"Dripping in gold." Utter and complete nonsense.

Ugh.

Done with this thread.
 
I have a sister-in-law who gets three checks monthly from the government, one for herself and one for each of her children. Her children both have full braces....

I need glasses for my distance vision but cannot afford them. My DH needs glasses and has them but has had the same ones for almost 5 years now, and they are held together with crazy-glue.
Braces? Your state must be overly generous, I know MN will not cover braces unless for a severe developmental defect.. not for crooked teeth.

Glasses ... buy them online, much cheaper. EyeBuyDirect has some for less than $20, the hard part is paying for an eye exam. There are a few programs that provide free exams based on income requirements, mostly aimed at senior citizens and kids but there may be one in your area for adults.. do a search.

what frustrates me is the people complaining (not so much on the board) about not having insurance and the gov should provide, yet they do have access to it via their place of employment yet choose not to accept simply because it is too expensive. If it is important to you, then it should be part of the budget and be done with it.

hmm...This is how it would work for my family...

Pay insurance, rent (double check the locks) , utilities (no we can't run the AC this summer, poor hubby will have to suffer while sitting for 3 hours in the dialysis chair in the 90 degree and 80% humidity), bus fare (no more car, can't afford it), food (guess we have ramen again kids) and uhhhh that's it. Don't have enough money left to get quarters for laundry, can't afford phone even though we need it in case of a medical emergency during home hemo, can't afford internet- even though it creates and saves me money everyday. Can't afford my dh's med co-pays. And god forbid our apt building goes up in flames, can't pay for the renter's insurance and after the fire we owe the dialysis company $30,000 to pay for the machine.

No thanks.

ITA...You'd rather have the huge medical bill for having NO insurance? Apparently they are "saving" for those expenses by not paying for medical insurance?

Sliding scale clinics, low cost meds at Walmart, lots of wishes and prayers that nothing goes wrong. Hoping that things change for the better soon.

Or some such thing? And um... once I pay my health insurance, PLUS the extra $200 each month, how am I going to live on... -$200? Please tell me how I can do that, I am VERY curious to know! Those must be really awesome coupons! :rolleyes:

:lmao: Magical coupons, you just have to BELIEVE! :rotfl2:

the last time we went on "vacation" was to stay at a low-end hotel in Boston while my mom was dying of renal failure

and pay $10 a month to go to the gym, trying to lose enough weight to save my mother's life with a transplant... :rolleyes:

:hug: I'm so sorry for your loss. Watching someone you love fighting the beast that is renal failure is very difficult. my family has been fortunate... but I have to stop and think.. Sometimes the beast wins. :sad1:

I also think that there are many who respond to these kind of threads need to educate themselves more about the culture of poverty. Middle class culture and the culture of those in poverty are like night and day, and those of us blessed enough to not be poor have a very difficult time understanding or relating to the thought processes of those who have grown up poor and know nothing else. It is easy for so many to point our well-fed fingers and tell others to "pick themselves up by the bootstraps" because those doing the finger pointing have the skills and knowledge to allow them to do so. I am saddened when I read how judgmental and uncompassionate some in our society have become.

Nicely done.
I read a very interesting book that discussed the culture of each economic class. I was raised lower middle class, have lived close to poverty most of my married life.. there was much I had to learn to survive. If my life somehow changed and we were among the wealthy.. I would have no clue how to be in that world.

A Framework for Understanding Poverty by Ruby Payne

Bit outdated but has some good points.

The skills and education they have are worthless, retraining takes money they don't have, and right now there are just no jobs available, not even fast food, retail, or other low-wage, part-time work.
Unemployed are suppose to have help for the retraining costs .. but...
MN ran out of money for the displaced workers education fund.


That may be true for where you live. You may have 3 or 4 different supermarket to shop at, you may also have Walmart or a Super Target. But in most poorer neighborhoods, they are lucky if there is one supermarket. And they don't double coupons, have loss leaders, etc. It's harder to find bargains under those conditions.

And if they do have a grocery store or big box store, the prices are much higher. Plus the cost of schlepping it home. Bus fare, taxi, pay a friend, or pay a stranger for a ride.
Food stamps yes, money to get to store and home again? NO.
Plenty of food, but no toilet paper , laundry soap, quarters for laundry, diapers, fem supplies, shampoo, soap.. etc etc..

It must be the people that God gave a "welfare cheat sniffer" chip. I got left out of the deal; I am totally missing that chip.

:thumbsup2 darn me too. :rotfl2:

Many welfare recipients have tattoos, drink, smoke and take drugs.

:scared1: Covering tattoo carefully so no one sees.

hmm, hubby falls in that category.... do prescription drugs count?
And uhh, he can't take a drug test since he doesn't pee, renal failure does that to a person. ;)
 
well it's just frustrating to hear so many people complaining about "it's too expensive" when a quick search on posts shows they have cell phones, wii's, trip to WDW, DL and class trips, etc....of course most everything here is one sided and that is fine.
Even when I worked an $8 an hour job and drove an hour commute I purchased my own insurance through the company.


it's also crappy to see day in and day out people abuse food stamps. My husband has to run off people daily who are trying to sell their food stamps.
 
ITA...You'd rather have the huge medical bill for having NO insurance? Apparently they are "saving" for those expenses by not paying for medical insurance?

no, no medical bills if you go to the community hospital.....bad debt write off. It's horrible.
 
true, people make bad choices.. or maybe there are valid reasons behind what they have done, what they own..... Maybe they are really good at getting deals.

Last trip I had air miles, gracious friend paid for hotel, I had gift cards earned from email/ point programs, and a valid AP bought during better times (when I had insurance). I went with my friends, paid very little out of pocket and enjoyed a few days of sunshine free of dealing with my daily stresses.

Now as for the game systems I may have.. all bought in happier times, when I had insurance. Car that we are giving back to the dealership this weekend because we can't afford it... bought during happier healthier times.
 
I know this girl who keeps having kids JUST because she'll
a. get more welfare and food stamps.
b. get more back in taxes.

It makes me SOOOO mad. It's people like this who make me think that after 2 kids, you should have to start paying in taxes rather than getting credit for them.
 
Interesting how this thread seems to be flying under the radar... pushing the "no political debate" rule ...

One thing that needs to be made perfectly clear. Whether "you" like it or not, eligibility rules and regulations exist, backed most often by laws.

People who qualify, do so according to the current rules and regulations.

If you don't like that, THEN CHANGE THE LAWS. Work through the system that is set up in this country to CHANGE the laws.

"They all vote" is one of the dumbest excuses I've heard on this topic to date. That concept alone implies that there are more people "on welfare" "cheating the system" than there are not.

Well, that's an interesting concept.

How many of you (this is RHETORICAL no need to answer) TRULY know what you are talking about? How many of you have actually worked in an eligibility determination capacity and seen what people go through to apply and be found eligible and what they need to do to maintain that eligibility?

How many of you are simply parroting what you have heard? How many of you have actual, hard and fast data to support your comments about all those "cheaters of the system?"

Don't like that your tax dollars are going to provide healthcare, food and housing to someone who would otherwise not have it?

Then why don't YOU move to a place where you don't have to support those who are in need?

Seriously, this thread is disgusting. Bigotry, intolerance, inexcusable ignorance are rampant here.

Enjoy your superior selves... and I hope you are never out of work, never injured beyond what your healthcare can cover, never suffer a catastrophic event in your lives that interrupts your financial stability and causes you to have to go to a system that parcels out assistance with an eye dropper.

"Dripping in gold." Utter and complete nonsense.

Ugh.

Done with this thread.

ITA. If you are going to talk smack, back it up.
 
well it's just frustrating to hear so many people complaining about "it's too expensive" when a quick search on posts shows they have cell phones, wii's, trip to WDW, DL and class trips, etc

:laughing: Heh heh, now I *know* that this was directed towards me, thank you for confirming what I already knew :rolleyes: And thanks for being so completely judgemental regarding my past history as opposed to my current situation, and not knowing who paid for what in my life. And well done adding things like DL and such in there to kinda throw it off and make it look more generalized. :thumbsup2

I would just like to throw out a thank you so much to my parents for helping me as much as they have; I can only hope that I'll be able to help my dad as much as they've helped me in the upcoming years. :lovestruc

I don't know who is judging you on your daughters dance, but that can be expensive....he could very well use that money to help purchase insurance instead of that though even if it was a private policy - if that was a priority to you.

Where the heck is everyone working that has insurance costing the employees 1000+ a month for insurance???

Wow, really? I guess maybe I *should* tell my dad where he should and shouldn't spend his money. After all, I only live in his house, what right does that give HIM to spend HIS money where he wants to? Given that he's been paying for DD's dance since she began, and it's one of the few things in his life that makes him truly happy, seeing his only living granddaughter dancing... :rolleyes:

My company pays completely for you yourself if you want insurance through them; they even pay you $25 a week if you DON'T take insurance through them. Unfortunately adding anyone to your policy really kicks your behind. So yeah, I'm the only one in the family who really doesn't need the insurance, yet here I am, insured.
 
ITA. If you are going to talk smack, back it up.

I believe some of the talk comes from people who DO deal with this on a daily basis...whether they work in OB GYN offices, grocery stores where people sell their food stamps, or people who are even family members who brag about "working the system". I don't think pie charts, graphs etc are really necessary to know that the system is flawed and there ARE people who abuse the system. I can have an opinion and talk smack when people are using MY tax dollars and I don't need a pie chart/data spreadsheet to prove anything. What we are referring to is not simply "hearsay".
 
I believe some of the talk comes from people who DO deal with this on a daily basis...whether they work in OB GYN offices, grocery stores where people sell their food stamps, or people who are even family members who brag about "working the system". I don't think pie charts, graphs etc are really necessary to know that the system is flawed and there ARE people who abuse the system. I can have an opinion and talk smack when people are using MY tax dollars and I don't need a pie chart/data spreadsheet to prove anything. What we are referring to is not simply "hearsay".

I totally agree with this but I will say that most perceptions are skewed. If you see one welfare abuser, the majority in your head are abusers. If you see one person who works the system, they all do. It's not your experiences that are untrue, it's your translation of the experiences into the vast majority of "them".

Many people are living on the edge and it's not just because of their "toys". It's because the system has gradually pushed medical benefit payments and retirement benefit payments onto the worker. At the same time, middle income jobs have been exported leaving many people without a living wage. Many lower middle class workers are no longer middle class. And many of them are taking personal responsibility in the here and now but their futures are uncertain because they have no safety net.

I know that's not what the original article was talking about (and this thread has strayed from the topic) but sometimes people in better places need to have some compassion for those who can't make ends meet, who no longer have a support system. The middle class is changing and many are falling out of it. They aren't abusers or users...they are simply people who no longer have decent jobs, who no longer have savings, who no longer have adequate medical benefits.
 
well it's just frustrating to hear so many people complaining about "it's too expensive" when a quick search on posts shows they have cell phones, wii's, trip to WDW, DL and class trips, etc....of course most everything here is one sided and that is fine.
Even when I worked an $8 an hour job and drove an hour commute I purchased my own insurance through the company.

Of course, all of that put together probably doesn't add up to the cost of insurance... We pay almost 6K now for a family plan with a 5K deductible. Our last Disney trip, all the kids' sports/class/activity fees, and the cell phone bill (3 lines) for a year doesn't add up to that.

If you have access to reasonably affordable insurance there's no reason not to have it, but until you've been in the position of paying the rates some people are dealing with these days it is very easy not realize how unaffordable insurance can be. For most of the uninsured I know personally, it really isn't as simple as canceling the cell phone and the cable. That's barely even a drop in the bucket.
 
I believe some of the talk comes from people who DO deal with this on a daily basis...whether they work in OB GYN offices, grocery stores where people sell their food stamps, or people who are even family members who brag about "working the system". I don't think pie charts, graphs etc are really necessary to know that the system is flawed and there ARE people who abuse the system. I can have an opinion and talk smack when people are using MY tax dollars and I don't need a pie chart/data spreadsheet to prove anything. What we are referring to is not simply "hearsay".

The thing is, some of us on the other side deal with it on a daily basis too. Absolutely abusers exist, but they are not a majority by any means, and it truly is a very sad, limited set of circumstances that lead one to think welfare is the good life. As someone upthread said so well, I'd much rather live in a nation where the few abusers find ways to work a system that helps so many who are truly in need than one where there is no safety net for those who fall on hard times. If you see abuse, report it, but don't assume every recipient is an abuser.
 
I pay $366 each WEEK for insurance for my family and me. I could have another very nice car for that money but I choose to be responsible and pay my own way. It makes me sick to see so many moochers out there. Besides my normal income deductions I have an extra $100 per week taken out and I still have to pay at the end of the year. Some lazy bums get $4000 to $5000 back in taxes because of income credits, I doubt they pay$100 a YEAR in payroll taxes. This cannot keep going on like this.

Many welfare recipients have tattoos, drink, smoke and take drugs. They should be tested monthly, no test, flunk test, no check. They should have to do some kind of community service for these checks.

Now two posters on this thread feel that the tax payers should pay all medical bills. How do you propose to fund this. What would be covered. Maternity? Teenage and un-wed pregnancies, people injured while drinking and taking drugs, bungee jumpers? It makes no sense.


Lazy bums? Are you suggesting that all of those who make minimum wage or a lower salary than you are lazy?
 







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