Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker discussion thread (*** now contains spoilers ***)

[maverik85]

I am kinda with you regarding Palpatine ... Like who cares the intricacies of how he came back - it's a movie univers with space wizards with glow swords. Let's just trust there is a way he can come back and go with it and enjoy it!

I feel the same overall. Wish JJ would have done all 3 so he could have set up this last movie better instead of having to fit all the set up and pay off into the one film but thought it still worked. Palpatine's return was already teased a bit in the Aftermath trilogy especially, but hopefully we will get another book or comic that shows his return fully and sets up where he is in the new movie. That's the good part of this universe is they can fill in any blanks with the ancillary material like books. Feel like this movie gave them lots more material for new books and stuff too.

 

[Fauntleroy]

I certainly see that side but to me it works better that Ben doesn't survive b/c a) too much of a cheesy happy ending for the happy couple and b) what do you do with Ben then? Nice story but in reality he would still need to pay for his war crimes. So either he is punished or you have him in hiding and then the "good guys" are running from the law. Just raises too many issues.

Agreed. Ben/Kylo is definitely one of the more interesting SW (or scifi in general) characters to come along. Would be great if there was a workable way for him to stick around. That said- as I believe was pointed out in one of the earliest The Force Awakens reviews- there’s a “Columbine killer” tragic aura around Ben/Kylo that simply was going to be too hard to escape. He was going to die young (so much so that he basically does twice!)- just a question of how.

With that in mind his turning back to Ben, traveling to Exegol to fight along-side Rey, and then saving her life was very likely his absolute one and only chance to exit life in a dignified fashion. I think that he was able to be “Ben” long enough to take advantage of that one door out was a beautiful thing. He was frankly too much of a loose cannon to be just sitting around (even if he wasn’t prosecuted, etc.) raising kids or whatever. Just not enough time in the film (IMHO) to make the case that his “conversion” was that total and complete.

As it is, he left at the absolute greatest moment of his life, without having the burden/fear of backsliding or putting Rey in the position of having to defend him from prosecution/recrimination, etc. I honestly thought it was handled brilliantly...

 

[mrsap]

Thought this was funny

 

[jkh36619]

Gonna pick a nit. The prequels had some of the greatest acting cast Star Wars has ever been graced with (with some notable exceptions). It’s the dialogue they were given that was terrible.

Can’t get blood from a stone.

I can't argue that.

 

[Mome Rath]

I think that Ben dying for the woman he loved was another way to balance out Anakin's turn to the dark side in a supposed attempt to save his woman (I say supposed because he was more focused on himself and how loss felt rather than doing the heroic thing). Also, it prevents Rey from fighting with her emotions and be able to fully focused on the future when she will probably be trying to train the next-gen Jedi. The romantic in me wishes he could be around physically (I actually have no doubt, as a force dyad that shared energy, he'd either be "in her head" or around as a FGhost), but I actually do think killing him off wasn't a bad choice.

 

[OSUZorba]

Gonna pick a nit. The prequels had some of the greatest acting cast Star Wars has ever been graced with (with some notable exceptions). It’s the dialogue they were given that was terrible.

Can’t get blood from a stone.

Yeah, it was the script and directing that really hurt the prequals. The actual plot and actors were pretty good.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

I was happy to see a round radar dish back on the Millennium Falcon in TROS. I didn't even realize that another radar dish had been blown off in TLJ until I went back to re-watch it just to check on this after seeing a round dish on the ship in TROS.

So, my question is this... Is Disney going to replace the square radar dish on the Falcon in Galaxy's Edge? I was under the impression that the land was set in a time between TLJ and TROS (obviously not after TROS since Kylo is still walking around there).

If the Falcon came to Batuu after TLJ, the rectangular radar dish should be replaced with the new round one (or missing if Chewie hadn't gotten around to replacing it yet... but that would be worse). A nitpicking detail, but as someone who was happy to see the return of a round radar dish in TROS (restoring the Falcon to its OT look), it would be cool if it gets updated at Galaxy's Edge. While I would be delighted, I'd be very surprised if Disney went to the expense of replacing the radar dish.

Or am I off on the timeline for Galaxy's Edge? Is it supposed to be set between TFA and TLJ? If so, the rectangular radar dish would be the right one. Perhaps that makes more sense. Assuming they had access to TLJ script when planning/building the ship, they would have known that the rectangular dish seen in TFA gets blown off in TLJ.

 

[Baby Groot]

I was happy to see a round radar dish back on the Millennium Falcon in TROS. I didn't even realize that another radar dish had been blown off in TLJ until I went back to re-watch it just to check on this after seeing a round dish on the ship in TROS.

So, my question is this... Is Disney going to replace the square radar dish on the Falcon in Galaxy's Edge? I was under the impression that the land was set in a time between TLJ and TROS (obviously not after TROS since Kylo is still walking around there).

If the Falcon came to Batuu after TLJ, the rectangular radar dish should be replaced with the new round one (or missing if Chewie hadn't gotten around to replacing it yet... but that would be worse). A nitpicking detail, but as someone who was happy to see the return of a round radar dish in TROS (restoring the Falcon to its OT look), it would be cool if it gets updated at Galaxy's Edge. While I would be delighted, I'd be very surprised if Disney went to the expense of replacing the radar dish.

Or am I off on the timeline for Galaxy's Edge? Is it supposed to be set between TFA and TLJ? If so, the rectangular radar dish would be the right one. Perhaps that makes more sense. Assuming they had access to TLJ script when planning/building the ship, they would have known that the rectangular dish seen in TFA gets blown off in TLJ.

There is no time between TFA and TLJ they are minutes apart.

 

[jade1]

Rey, the new "Skywalker" goes on from there

Or

 

[jade1]

All she has to do is cry a tear on him and he’s magically back to life. Hey... It worked for Rapunzel!!!!!! Ughh, I wanted so much for them to be together.

Or simply bring him back like she did before, and he did to her one minute ago. I think they hurried the "resurrection" so she wouldn't have a chance, or they would to this day be going back and forth.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

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Thought this was funny

Actually Vader didn't rule anything. Palpatine did. Vader was just the emperor's lap dog.

 

[mrsap]

Actually Vader didn't rule anything. Palpatine did. Vader was just the emperor's lap dog.

Just supposed to be funny... ha ha

 

[BrianL]

I finally saw it again and my initial opinion holds up. I don't know if it will go down as my favorite of all of them, but it's up there. It's definitely the best of the Sequel Trilogy and probably the best of all the Disney produced movies as well (the first numbered episode to be better than the spin-offs in my opinion). Once I have it at home and can watch it at will we will see where it settles in.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

I finally saw it again and my initial opinion holds up. I don't know if it will go down as my favorite of all of them, but it's up there. It's definitely the best of the Sequel Trilogy and probably the best of all the Disney produced movies as well (the first numbered episode to be better than the spin-offs in my opinion). Once I have it at home and can watch it at will we will see where it settles in.

I finally saw it Sat and loved it. The scale was so much larger than TLJ, theCinematography and effects fantastic, and yet they left time for the appropriate moments for emotional impact. By far the best of the last trilogy. I put it ahead of all the prequels too. It was the first time I felt there was real camaraderie between Rey, Poe, and Finn. And I love that JJ recognizes and makes use of the fact that the ships are characters too.

Personally I was happy that TLJ got reconned because it means I can forget it ever happened (and skip watching it with my kids). However on the larger scale, all of that really made a hot mess out of this trilogy. If it’s true that the directors were not given an outline/arc they had to live within, that’s totally unforgivable and not how you manage your multi billion dollar franchise. The fact that Johnson retconned Abrams and then Abrams retconned him back is absolutely ridiculous. Disney needs a better approach to managing SW going forward.

 

[maverik85]

I finally saw it again and my initial opinion holds up. I don't know if it will go down as my favorite of all of them, but it's up there. It's definitely the best of the Sequel Trilogy and probably the best of all the Disney produced movies as well (the first numbered episode to be better than the spin-offs in my opinion). Once I have it at home and can watch it at will we will see where it settles in.

YEa I thought it was a great conclusion and the best of the sequels but really makes me wish JJ had done them all. It wasn't my favorite by far but overall thought Last Jedi was ok, but this movie actually makes me dislike it a bit. Think if JJ had done what he wanted it would have set up TROS better and made the movie probably even better than it was. He could have set up what he wanted int he first and not had to spend time backtracking or undoing stuff he didn't like fro TLJ. Think the sequel trilogy might have been my favorite of the three or at least close to the original if he had been able to do all three,

 

[olecow]

I loved it. I cried three or four times and stood up and cheered at the end. I got everything I wanted. I got to see all of my favorite characters from the original trilogy and they wrapped it up in a nice bow. Was it perfect? No. Are there flaws in the story? Yes. Did they take away from my enjoyment of the movie? No.

 

[LizzyS]

I think a Finn story has to be the Feige movie. There was no reason for multiple reference to this if it wasn’t being used as a set up for where they are going at least with the next movie.

I agree.

 

[LizzyS]

Since we're doing spoilers now--

I liked the move overall disliked the ending and it kinda ruined the whole trilogy for me as in now I know what happens and I just feel sad. I think they did a disservice there--lots of build up and tension and then poof gone and she just flies off. I did like that she went to where it all started but I wish Ben was there with her; even a predictable his end could have been I was really hoping they wouldn't have done that. The guy next to me just flung his hands up when he died and I'm thinking he had the exact thought I did "wow finally...wait what no wait why did you do that". Frustrating and disappointing it twas.

Yes, exactly. I yearned for clever and different and got safe.

 

[LizzyS]

I certainly see that side but to me it works better that Ben doesn't survive b/c a) too much of a cheesy happy ending for the happy couple and b) what do you do with Ben then? Nice story but in reality he would still need to pay for his war crimes. So either he is punished or you have him in hiding and then the "good guys" are running from the law. Just raises too many issues


Also, I think there is symetry with he and Vader now if being redeemed and that redemption enabling him to be a Force Ghost. How would you have felt about if it played out the way it did but then in the last scene Rey looks over and sees the Force Ghosts of Luke, Leia, and Ben?

How would I have felt? Better, without a doubt.

This is a fantasy tale and not real life. Everyone in Star Wars is a murderer, we just don't care when it's the bad guys getting it and not Han Solo.

 

[LizzyS]

Am I insane or was the TIE Echelon that's in Galaxy's Edge nowhere to be seen in this movie?