Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[PrincessWithABlaster]

My degree is in computer engineering, though now I do corporate finance and I liked it - not sure where that fits into you poll

I would think Hardware is more old school and software is more new school so maybe that explains it?

Hmmm, we usually lump the CEs in with the Software folks so I guess that fits.

Your theory about HW and SW seems like it could fit.

 

[Phicinfan]

Okay, I just got home from the theater, saw this with my youngest son.

I want to caveat this, I am NOT a Star Wars fan. I have seen all the movies, except Rogue One. I am and will ever after will be a Trekie.

That being said, and the full honesty that I have NOT read this whole thread and don't intend to.

I will also caveat this as I don't know what is and what is not cannon, nor do I care.

All in all, this was a very interesting movie. Some really good and some not so good, which is what to me all the Star Wars movies are.

It is also clear to me, that this is setting a stage for a never ending journey.

The tale to me was what was shown in THIS movie, and the fact it was made clear that the Force needs and forces balance. That simple.

so in the first three(actually the second three.....yeah I know it gets confusing) You had the high council or whatever of the Jedi in control and being the law and order. Thus the forcing of Darth Sidius and the rise of the Dark side. Also the push of Annikan over to dark side, and thus the annihilation of the Jedi caused by Annikan. Then you have Luke and Leia being born, to balance the scales back to the light side, and their victory over Darth Vader and Sidius. Now, the dark side once again gets enforced by Ben Solo becoming the dark leader and so on.

In other words they could keep this back and forth going for ever and ever. Yes, this over simplifies the process, but it is what is the core of the story.

I get the Rogue one idea, as it is a bridge from what is now 3 to what is now 4(but was originally 1).
I get the back stories on Han Solo and now I hear there will be Obi Wan Kenobi as well, to fill in gaps.

The ONLY way I see an end to the back and fourth is ....If Rey and Ben both die, thus breaking the cycle and keeping balance, or they both survive to cancel each other out.

Since that won't happen, as they will want to keep dragging this out...I can pretty much tell you what happens in the last of this trilogy. But then again, if my theory is correct, you know it already.

Its a shame, cause this could be a very nice finality to it, to allow it to end with dignity and not just drag for dollars.

Net, it was a pretty good movie, I have MAJOR issues with Rey having all this power untrained and all the ability to control it. That is a major flaw here.

Just my $0.02

 

[BigRed98]

Okay, I just got home from the theater, saw this with my youngest son.

I want to caveat this, I am NOT a Star Wars fan. I have seen all the movies, except Rogue One. I am and will ever after will be a Trekie.

That being said, and the full honesty that I have NOT read this whole thread and don't intend to.

I will also caveat this as I don't know what is and what is not cannon, nor do I care.

All in all, this was a very interesting movie. Some really good and some not so good, which is what to me all the Star Wars movies are.

It is also clear to me, that this is setting a stage for a never ending journey.

The tale to me was what was shown in THIS movie, and the fact it was made clear that the Force needs and forces balance. That simple.

so in the first three(actually the second three.....yeah I know it gets confusing) You had the high council or whatever of the Jedi in control and being the law and order. Thus the forcing of Darth Sidius and the rise of the Dark side. Also the push of Annikan over to dark side, and thus the annihilation of the Jedi caused by Annikan. Then you have Luke and Leia being born, to balance the scales back to the light side, and their victory over Darth Vader and Sidius. Now, the dark side once again gets enforced by Ben Solo becoming the dark leader and so on.

In other words they could keep this back and forth going for ever and ever. Yes, this over simplifies the process, but it is what is the core of the story.

I get the Rogue one idea, as it is a bridge from what is now 3 to what is now 4(but was originally 1).
I get the back stories on Han Solo and now I hear there will be Obi Wan Kenobi as well, to fill in gaps.

The ONLY way I see an end to the back and fourth is ....If Rey and Ben both die, thus breaking the cycle and keeping balance, or they both survive to cancel each other out.

Since that won't happen, as they will want to keep dragging this out...I can pretty much tell you what happens in the last of this trilogy. But then again, if my theory is correct, you know it already.

Its a shame, cause this could be a very nice finality to it, to allow it to end with dignity and not just drag for dollars.

Net, it was a pretty good movie, I have MAJOR issues with Rey having all this power untrained and all the ability to control it. That is a major flaw here.

Just my $0.02

Interesting to hear a non Star Wars fan point of view. Thanks!

 

[SWRdtWD]

Okay, I just got home from the theater, saw this with my youngest son.

I want to caveat this, I am NOT a Star Wars fan. I have seen all the movies, except Rogue One. I am and will ever after will be a Trekie.

That being said, and the full honesty that I have NOT read this whole thread and don't intend to.

I will also caveat this as I don't know what is and what is not cannon, nor do I care.

All in all, this was a very interesting movie. Some really good and some not so good, which is what to me all the Star Wars movies are.

It is also clear to me, that this is setting a stage for a never ending journey.

The tale to me was what was shown in THIS movie, and the fact it was made clear that the Force needs and forces balance. That simple.

so in the first three(actually the second three.....yeah I know it gets confusing) You had the high council or whatever of the Jedi in control and being the law and order. Thus the forcing of Darth Sidius and the rise of the Dark side. Also the push of Annikan over to dark side, and thus the annihilation of the Jedi caused by Annikan. Then you have Luke and Leia being born, to balance the scales back to the light side, and their victory over Darth Vader and Sidius. Now, the dark side once again gets enforced by Ben Solo becoming the dark leader and so on.

In other words they could keep this back and forth going for ever and ever. Yes, this over simplifies the process, but it is what is the core of the story.

I get the Rogue one idea, as it is a bridge from what is now 3 to what is now 4(but was originally 1).
I get the back stories on Han Solo and now I hear there will be Obi Wan Kenobi as well, to fill in gaps.

The ONLY way I see an end to the back and fourth is ....If Rey and Ben both die, thus breaking the cycle and keeping balance, or they both survive to cancel each other out.

Since that won't happen, as they will want to keep dragging this out...I can pretty much tell you what happens in the last of this trilogy. But then again, if my theory is correct, you know it already.

Its a shame, cause this could be a very nice finality to it, to allow it to end with dignity and not just drag for dollars.

Net, it was a pretty good movie, I have MAJOR issues with Rey having all this power untrained and all the ability to control it. That is a major flaw here.

Just my $0.02

I find the narratives of Star Trek to be far better thought out since the original Star Wars trilogy ended. Except the final frontier and nemesis - of course.

It's kinda why I want there to be a Star Wars tv series instead of movies...allow character development without corporate high stakes gambling being involved.

I'd sign up for the Hulu service for that.

 

[BrianL]

Okay, I just got home from the theater, saw this with my youngest son.

I want to caveat this, I am NOT a Star Wars fan. I have seen all the movies, except Rogue One. I am and will ever after will be a Trekie.

That being said, and the full honesty that I have NOT read this whole thread and don't intend to.

I will also caveat this as I don't know what is and what is not cannon, nor do I care.

All in all, this was a very interesting movie. Some really good and some not so good, which is what to me all the Star Wars movies are.

It is also clear to me, that this is setting a stage for a never ending journey.

The tale to me was what was shown in THIS movie, and the fact it was made clear that the Force needs and forces balance. That simple.

so in the first three(actually the second three.....yeah I know it gets confusing) You had the high council or whatever of the Jedi in control and being the law and order. Thus the forcing of Darth Sidius and the rise of the Dark side. Also the push of Annikan over to dark side, and thus the annihilation of the Jedi caused by Annikan. Then you have Luke and Leia being born, to balance the scales back to the light side, and their victory over Darth Vader and Sidius. Now, the dark side once again gets enforced by Ben Solo becoming the dark leader and so on.

In other words they could keep this back and forth going for ever and ever. Yes, this over simplifies the process, but it is what is the core of the story.

I get the Rogue one idea, as it is a bridge from what is now 3 to what is now 4(but was originally 1).
I get the back stories on Han Solo and now I hear there will be Obi Wan Kenobi as well, to fill in gaps.

The ONLY way I see an end to the back and fourth is ....If Rey and Ben both die, thus breaking the cycle and keeping balance, or they both survive to cancel each other out.

Since that won't happen, as they will want to keep dragging this out...I can pretty much tell you what happens in the last of this trilogy. But then again, if my theory is correct, you know it already.

Its a shame, cause this could be a very nice finality to it, to allow it to end with dignity and not just drag for dollars.

Net, it was a pretty good movie, I have MAJOR issues with Rey having all this power untrained and all the ability to control it. That is a major flaw here.

Just my $0.02

You have a pretty good handle on the nature of The Force for not being much of a Star Wars fan. It's all about balance.

 

[jknezek]

I find the narratives of Star Trek to be far better thought out since the original Star Wars trilogy ended. Except the final frontier and nemesis - of course.

It's kinda why I want there to be a Star Wars tv series instead of movies...allow character development without corporate high stakes gambling being involved.

I'd sign up for the Hulu service for that.

The Clone Wars series is excellent as is Rebels. They are animated of course, but they do explore characters in a different way. The last 2 seasons of Clone Wars are pretty dark. My kids don't like them near as much as the themes are much more mature.

 

[SWRdtWD]

The Clone Wars series is excellent as is Rebels. They are animated of course, but they do explore characters in a different way. The last 2 seasons of Clone Wars are pretty dark. My kids don't like them near as much as the themes are much more mature.

Both cartoons have been excellent...the best things to have been produced by Lucasfilm since last crusade...

I'm a fan of rogue one as well...many are not

 

[SWRdtWD]

You have a pretty good handle on the nature of The Force for not being much of a Star Wars fan. It's all about balance.

If you believe that a Trekkie can not be a fan of Star Wars...or vice versa?

That's a hard hill to hold...

Obviously one can be a BIGGER fan of one or another...but i thinks it's rare to not deep down be classified as both.

 

[BrianL]

If you believe that a Trekkie can not be a fan of Star Wars...or vice versa?

That's a hard hill to hold...

Obviously one can be a BIGGER fan of one or another...but i thinks it's rare to not deep down be classified as both.

No, I didn't mean to imply that. I love Star Wars and Star Trek. What I meant was that for someone who said they were not much of a Star Wars fan, they seem to be understanding The Force, where a lot of SW fans that I know do not really follow that part.

 

[SWRdtWD]

No, I didn't mean to imply that. I love Star Wars and Star Trek. What I meant was that for someone who said they were not much of a Star Wars fan, they seem to be understanding The Force, where a lot of SW fans that I know do not really follow that part.

Right...I'm
Gonna guess cause he's seen the movies 36 times each...like the rest of us.

Just a hunch...there's only so many things on tv worth watching...

 

[ScrapYap]

But you won't see me signing these petitions to remove it from canon, you won't hear me shouting to the top of my lungs, "RIAN JOHNSON RUINED STAR WARS!!" I think that's a bit overzealous.

Regardless, I can't wait for Ep IX, I think JJ will clean things up, and Star Wars has a bright future. They just missed the mark on this one.

Bafflingly, JJ was executive producer on TLJ. Worrisome.

 

[Chef Louis]

Bafflingly, JJ was executive producer on TLJ. Worrisome.

Yes, but that was most likely a contract stipulation for him signing on to direct episode 7.

According to IMDB this is the producer credits.
J.J. Abrams ... executive producer
Pippa Anderson ... co-producer
Ram Bergman ... producer (produced by) (p.g.a.)
Candice D. Campos ... co-producer (as Candice Campos)
Boris Dmitrovic ... line producer: croatia
Kiri Hart ... co-producer
Leopold Hughes ... associate producer
Andres Jauernick ... service producer: Bolivia
Finni Johannsson ... line producer: Iceland Unit
Nikos Karamigios ... associate producer
Tom Karnowski ... executive producer
Kathleen Kennedy ... producer (produced by) (p.g.a.)
Jason D. McGatlin ... executive producer

How many had story credits?
Rian Johnson

Also JJ pitched his idea to Lucas/Disney for episode 9 as late as 12/15. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-jj-abrams-story-pitch/

 

[KaptKaveman]

That's not good for the franchise...shedding fans was never a reasonable goal of Disney's acquisition of LFL...and rian Johnson sure shouldn't have been given the keys to dad's car with that in play.

The big issue with this movie is it attempts to shift the foundation of the Star Wars away from the Oringinal Trilogy. Which is somewhat expected, I mean the original cast wasn't getting any younger at the time of filming so obviously they had to do something. Instead this movie virtually destroys the old foundation and then begins bulldozing the new foundation that Abrams tried to build. Han? Gone. Luke, reduced back to a whiny loser and gone. Leia, silly character after the flying through space but sadly gone for the next movie. No Vader obviously. So really the only thing left from the Originals are a couple of Droids and Chewie, all with a combined 5 minutes of screen time in TLJ. The new foundation? Poe is a failed Mutineer who got a large portion of the rebellion killed. Finn is back to being a bumbling sidekick who fails at everything he tries and gets captured. Rose is a jealous vandal. That brings us to Rey.

Rey is a curious hybrid of a Mary Sue and a Deus Ex Machina. This is sloppy story telling and a bad way to build up to the next movie. Why? Rey has never failed....... ever. She has never lost a hand, never been frozen in Carbonite, or never been captured by Jabba the Hutt and forced to wear a gold bikini(sadly). In fact, She has faced the best the First Order has and come out on top and unscathed.......twice. More importantly grumpy old Yoda couldn't find any fault with her. It poses the question: How does Rey even measure success if she has never failed at anything(as far as we have seen). She is like Superman in the absence of Kryptonite. It is not very engaging story telling.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Rey is a curious hybrid of a Mary Sue and a Deus Ex Machina. This is sloppy story telling and a bad way to build up to the next movie. Why? Rey has never failed....... ever. She has never lost a hand, never been frozen in Carbonite, or never been captured by Jabba the Hutt and forced to wear a gold bikini(sadly). In fact, She has faced the best the First Order has and come out on top and unscathed.......twice. More importantly grumpy old Yoda couldn't find any fault with her. It poses the question: How does Rey even measure success if she has never failed at anything(as far as we have seen). She is like Superman in the absence of Kryptonite. It is not very engaging story telling.

That is a fair point (though I still have no idea what a Mary Sue is) - especially given that Yoda says "failure, the best teacher is" ... now she obviously had a lot of failure in her life before Episode VII, but I agree, perhaps her having some of the issues that Poe had of trying things and it not working, etc. would help her character development

 

[SWRdtWD]

Yes, but that was most likely a contract stipulation for him signing on to direct episode 7.

According to IMDB this is the producer credits.
J.J. Abrams ... executive producer
Pippa Anderson ... co-producer
Ram Bergman ... producer (produced by) (p.g.a.)
Candice D. Campos ... co-producer (as Candice Campos)
Boris Dmitrovic ... line producer: croatia
Kiri Hart ... co-producer
Leopold Hughes ... associate producer
Andres Jauernick ... service producer: Bolivia
Finni Johannsson ... line producer: Iceland Unit
Nikos Karamigios ... associate producer
Tom Karnowski ... executive producer
Kathleen Kennedy ... producer (produced by) (p.g.a.)
Jason D. McGatlin ... executive producer

How many had story credits?
Rian Johnson

Also JJ pitched his idea to Lucas/Disney for episode 9 as late as 12/15. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-jj-abrams-story-pitch/

JJ was always at least 50% in it for the money...he's a Hollywood insider...so his involvement, combined with disney, was always gonna lead to trouble when it came to dedication to the story...not the receipt.

He did EXACTLY what iger, Kennedy, and Ford wanted to - which hasn't lead the overall franchise to a "good place" now...

They got what they wanted, he got a check.

It's ludicrous to think that the 3rd "chapter" of a 3 story arc would need a "pitch" of a plot outline the day the middle one premiers in the theater. Say what you want about Lucas...but there's no indication he went into the final states of the previous rounds with a blank slate. Nor should he have...

And why does the director get to write the story? That's tantamount to insanity...is it because Arnt had started. Writing 7 for George and it focused on the skywalker?

Ok...move on...at least he was a screenwriter. JJ is very mixed bag...rian Johnson far more "empty bag"

 

[SWRdtWD]

The big issue with this movie is it attempts to shift the foundation of the Star Wars away from the Oringinal Trilogy. Which is somewhat expected, I mean the original cast wasn't getting any younger at the time of filming so obviously they had to do something. Instead this movie virtually destroys the old foundation and then begins bulldozing the new foundation that Abrams tried to build. Han? Gone. Luke, reduced back to a whiny loser and gone. Leia, silly character after the flying through space but sadly gone for the next movie. No Vader obviously. So really the only thing left from the Originals are a couple of Droids and Chewie, all with a combined 5 minutes of screen time in TLJ. The new foundation? Poe is a failed Mutineer who got a large portion of the rebellion killed. Finn is back to being a bumbling sidekick who fails at everything he tries and gets captured. Rose is a jealous vandal. That brings us to Rey.

Rey is a curious hybrid of a Mary Sue and a Deus Ex Machina. This is sloppy story telling and a bad way to build up to the next movie. Why? Rey has never failed....... ever. She has never lost a hand, never been frozen in Carbonite, or never been captured by Jabba the Hutt and forced to wear a gold bikini(sadly). In fact, She has faced the best the First Order has and come out on top and unscathed.......twice. More importantly grumpy old Yoda couldn't find any fault with her. It poses the question: How does Rey even measure success if she has never failed at anything(as far as we have seen). She is like Superman in the absence of Kryptonite. It is not very engaging story telling.

I'll throw another one at you...

The use of the falcon this time was nuts. We all love it...but it can't be the ONLY thing the good guys have to Bank on.

I didn't catch it till the second time...but before the dumb junk skipper thing attack - which ended in nothing but bad teenage love - was finished...the falcon shows up and "draws them off"...

.:.then it lands undscathed at the secret back door...like 100 tie fighters...which apparently were always meant be used like A-10s (who knew they were misused in space for 3 movies?)

Where did all the ships go????!

I mean...I know little kids don't notice...but must we make such silly dead ends that don't hold up over time?

 

[BrianL]

Right...I'm
Gonna guess cause he's seen the movies 36 times each...like the rest of us.

Just a hunch...there's only so many things on tv worth watching...

Look, I was just trying to compliment the poster and their opinion on The Force. They said they weren't much of a fan. I don't know how many times they've seen the movies, but I can say that they have a better understanding of it than a lot of people I know who have seem them a bunch. I'm not sure why the need for so much clarification of a simple statement.

 

[SWRdtWD]

Look, I was just trying to compliment the poster and their opinion on The Force. They said they weren't much of a fan. I don't know how many times they've seen the movies, but I can say that they have a better understanding of it than a lot of people I know who have seem them a bunch. I'm not sure why the need for so much clarification of a simple statement.

There isnt need for clarification and I would compliment the poster as well...

My take is there has always been a symbiosis of "trekkies" and "warsies"...it's how we're built, you know?

If I wanted to disagree with the poster...I would have...I think there's always more context there.

 

[BrianL]

There isnt need for clarification and I would compliment the poster as well...

My take is there has always been a symbiosis of "trekkies" and "warsies"...it's how we're built, you know?

If I wanted to disagree with the poster...I would have...I think there's always more context there.

Well, I'm sorry then. It sounded like you were disagreeing with me, or rather being dismissive of my take there. It's probably just my reading of it. No worries.

 

[KaptKaveman]

I mean...I know little kids don't notice...but must we make such silly dead ends that don't hold up over time?

I suspect when CinemaSins does "Everything wrong with The last Jedi in ..." they might break a record for video length.