Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[TheMaxRebo]

not sure if i want to see IX. I was that dissappointed in it. Let me start by saying that the original star wars came out when I was a senior in high school and I eagerly followed to exploits of luke and leia and hans through my college years and fowards. I put up wit hthe prequels because they told the story of darth vader and explained a lot of the back story and I really enjoyed number VII even with the death of Han. but turning a jedi master into a whiny wimp who would be afraid of the dark power in Ben Solo or in Rey is just impossible. Jedi don't run and hide and turn into wimps. that was so disappointing and seriously I wanted to get up and leave. then there was the whole Hope stuff. by the end of the movie the rebel legion fit in the millenium falcon? really? and how did the theif know that they were using transports when flyn didn't know. really the one redeaming thing that happened was fin and phasma. I mean fin and rose failed in their mission, the rebels were decimated and in the end noone came to join them. and why in the world would you kill off snope makes no sense. honestly this movie seemed like the end of a trilogy and not the middle movie. If this is what disney is going to do with star wars,,,, stop at the next and don't do any more

Sorry joy didn't enjoy it more. And I do get not liking the direction - though I took it more that he blamed himself for creating Kylo by being too cocky and thinking he could groom the power, etc - basically making the same mistake Obi Wan did with Anakin. Also, Obi Wan and Yoda went into hiding - it sort of seems like what Jedi masters do - they fail and then go into hiding

And you kill off Snoke b/c his point to the story is over - now it is for there not to be the rule of 2 and just Kylo to rule and I think that is an interesting dynamic

I definitely think it is a new direction and you really have to think of the Star Wars your one ended on the moo of Ensor . This is a different story. And you can like it or not obviously but I think just have to treat it differently - like a truly new trilogy not really a continuation

 

[KaptKaveman]

The funny thing is that love it or hate it doesn't change it, and doesn't make those of us that loved it like it less...so go on and hate away.

The exact opposite is also true. Just flip flop love and hate.

I definitely think it is a new direction and you really have to think of the Star Wars your one ended on the moo of Ensor . This is a different story. And you can like it or not obviously but I think just have to treat it differently - like a truly new trilogy not really a continuation

I've heard this one before. Odd for a movie that wants to go its own direction, to have so much of its cast returning from the original trilogy. Rian Johnson is getting his own trilogy would it not have made sense to let him start a fresh trilogy there? Also seems strange to go a radically new direction and re-invent the Star Wars Universe in movie 2 of a trilogy or movie 8 of 9 as it were.

It is almost like they knew that Rian Johnson wouldn't be able to handle a brand new trilogy without riding the coattails of the Originals. Which is bad all by itself but what makes it worse is the disdain that Rian Johnson seems to have for the Original Trilogy and its Characters and fans.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Also seems strange to go a radically new direction and re-invent the Star Wars Universe in movie 2 of a trilogy or movie 8 of 9 as it were.

How did he do this, exactly? Seems quite an exaggeration to me as a lifelong SW fan.

 

[KaptKaveman]

How did he do this, exactly? Seems quite an exaggeration to me as a lifelong SW fan.

Listed quite a bit in previous posts:

Short recap

1. Last Jedi appears to be a sequel to Naked Gun 33 1/3 more so than TFA. Can we expect more slap stick humour in the next flick?
2. Rebel ships now require gas which is okay because all ships appear to have odd physics constraints placed on them.
3. Leia is invincible and can fly through space(though likely she will be written out in the screen crawl of the next movie)
4. Jedi Schmedi.... those guys are old has beens.
5. Sith Lords.... see #4
6. Force ghosts can now call down physical lightning
7. Luke complete 180 change in character(this seems to be a thing lately, all of our heros have to be either flawed or torn down completely)
8. New Weaponization of Light Speed completely screws up plots of previous movies
9. Every entry after this will probably have some pet cause from the director (this one had freeing space horses, and evil rich casino planet).
10. Now everyone can use the force with minimal training! YAY!


Once again this movie achieved a rare feat, it actually was so bad that it made its predecessors worse after watching this steaming pile.

 

[Q-man]

and how did the theif know that they were using transports when flyn didn't know.

When they were on the ship stolen from the casino Poe tells Finn what Holdo is planning while the thief was on the bridge.

 

[kenthanson]

Listed quite a bit in previous posts:

Short recap

1. Last Jedi appears to be a sequel to Naked Gun 33 1/3 more so than TFA. Can we expect more slap stick humour in the next flick?
2. Rebel ships now require gas which is okay because all ships appear to have odd physics constraints placed on them.
3. Leia is invincible and can fly through space(though likely she will be written out in the screen crawl of the next movie)
4. Jedi Schmedi.... those guys are old has beens.
5. Sith Lords.... see #4
6. Force ghosts can now call down physical lightning
7. Luke complete 180 change in character(this seems to be a thing lately, all of our heros have to be either flawed or torn down completely)
8. New Weaponization of Light Speed completely screws up plots of previous movies
9. Every entry after this will probably have some pet cause from the director (this one had freeing space horses, and evil rich casino planet).
10. Now everyone can use the force with minimal training! YAY!


Once again this movie achieved a rare feat, it actually was so bad that it made its predecessors worse after watching this steaming pile.

And that's just the first ten things, I just finished reading a article about all the things TLJ just flushed away from TFA, like Rey's vision of watching her parents fly away in a spaceship, general hux turned from a evil little General into a Marx brother, the vision of the knights of Ren destroying the Jedi school in the rain, and many more. The more I think about this movie the more it irritates me, I usually don't like re-boots but after they finish 9 by all means go back and re-boot 8 so it makes sense.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Listed quite a bit in previous posts:

Short recap

1. Last Jedi appears to be a sequel to Naked Gun 33 1/3 more so than TFA. Can we expect more slap stick humour in the next flick?
2. Rebel ships now require gas which is okay because all ships appear to have odd physics constraints placed on them.
3. Leia is invincible and can fly through space(though likely she will be written out in the screen crawl of the next movie)
4. Jedi Schmedi.... those guys are old has beens.
5. Sith Lords.... see #4
6. Force ghosts can now call down physical lightning
7. Luke complete 180 change in character(this seems to be a thing lately, all of our heros have to be either flawed or torn down completely)
8. New Weaponization of Light Speed completely screws up plots of previous movies
9. Every entry after this will probably have some pet cause from the director (this one had freeing space horses, and evil rich casino planet).
10. Now everyone can use the force with minimal training! YAY!


Once again this movie achieved a rare feat, it actually was so bad that it made its predecessors worse after watching this steaming pile.

A couple of these I agree with, some I don’t, and most don’t rise to the level of “re-inventing the SW Universe” as you asserted.

Truthfully, even though I’ve been a huge SW fan since I was little, to me this really isn’t worth debating this much. So I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Q-man]

The numbers are in and there was a 69% drop in attendance from weekend one to weekend two putting TLJ in rarified air with the likes of Batman vs. Superman and the Twilight movies.

How many weeks and percentage of screens did Disney demand for TLJ?

 

[KayKayJS]

Saw it for a second time today. Loved it the first time, loved it more this time. The movie made a lot more sense when I knew where it was going and overall just really happy with it. I do wish they had held off on Snoke being killed for EP 9 , but it is what it is.

 

[KaptKaveman]

And that's just the first ten things, I just finished reading a article about all the things TLJ just flushed away from TFA, like Rey's vision of watching her parents fly away in a spaceship, general hux turned from a evil little General into a Marx brother, the vision of the knights of Ren destroying the Jedi school in the rain, and many more. The more I think about this movie the more it irritates me, I usually don't like re-boots but after they finish 9 by all means go back and re-boot 8 so it makes sense.

My wife and I just watched TFA again yesterday. There are so many WTH moments when you watch TFA having already seen TLJ, so many that it seems implausible that Rian Johnson even watched the movie before writing his screenplay. Also there were so many times where I threw my hands up and said "SEE THIS HUMOUR WORKS IN THIS MOVIE" and she would agree. There was SOME heavy handed humour in TFA but most of the comedy was deftly done and added to the movie rather than trying to turn it into a clownfest like TLJ.

 

[LSLS]

Sorry joy didn't enjoy it more. And I do get not liking the direction - though I took it more that he blamed himself for creating Kylo by being too cocky and thinking he could groom the power, etc - basically making the same mistake Obi Wan did with Anakin. Also, Obi Wan and Yoda went into hiding - it sort of seems like what Jedi masters do - they fail and then go into hiding

Yeah, this part really makes me laugh. Jedis don't do this, except of course for every other living jedi we have met. I'm still on the fence on this flick. I liked what they did with Luke (I think the idea that he was completely broken at the thought of failing his nephew is great), I liked the fight scenes, really liked the end. To me, I could forgive the ignoring of the main questions from the previous film and everything else if it didn't drag on so much in the middle. I'm excited to see it one more time to see if it still does drag like that in the middle. That will make a big impact on me. And I think if 9 can tie everything together, The Last Jedi will be looked at much more favorably.

 

[maverik85]

And that's just the first ten things, I just finished reading a article about all the things TLJ just flushed away from TFA, like Rey's vision of watching her parents fly away in a spaceship, general hux turned from a evil little General into a Marx brother, the vision of the knights of Ren destroying the Jedi school in the rain, and many more. The more I think about this movie the more it irritates me, I usually don't like re-boots but after they finish 9 by all means go back and re-boot 8 so it makes sense.

I can grant the more slapstick nature of Hux character but it was also clear that he was viewed as underling to Snoke and Kylo in TFA and we never really saw Kyloa nd Hux being freindly towards each other. The others though aren't changed in any anner. Kylo and the Knights of Ren can still be a part of the destruction of the school, the vision we saw cut from Luke in Kylow's room to Luke looking at the rubble. The part with Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroying it woudl be in between those. Rey's parentage has zero impact on them flying away from the planet. No matter who they were or the circumstances in which they left her she wodl still be standing there watching them fly off like in her vision.

I agree with others too that hating Luke going into hiding doens't make sense as it's what all the Jedi masters did in the OT. Same with Snoke having no characterization. He's liek the Emperor stom the OT and we never really knew anything about him until the prequels, didn't know a name or anything. They basically jsut used his Empire story for Snoke in TFA and his RotJ story in TLJ. Sot he fact that he died and we didn't get anyhting isn't any different from the originals either. Having him killed off allows for much more story opportunity and progression for Kylo as well. Plus his deatha nd story arc in this movie made for a great parallel with what Luke said about the Jedi. Both were arrogant adn full of hubris at their heights of power. This is what allowed Kylo to kill him without him realizing. It also helps the current story of finding a balance between the two and not jist Jedi vs. Sith as we are shown that there are problems with both sides.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I can grant the more slapstick nature of Hux character but it was also clear that he was viewed as underling to Snoke and Kylo in TFA and we never really saw Kyloa nd Hux being freindly towards each other. The others though aren't changed in any anner. Kylo and the Knights of Ren can still be a part of the destruction of the school, the vision we saw cut from Luke in Kylow's room to Luke looking at the rubble. The part with Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroying it woudl be in between those. Rey's parentage has zero impact on them flying away from the planet. No matter who they were or the circumstances in which they left her she wodl still be standing there watching them fly off like in her vision.

I agree with others too that hating Luke going into hiding doens't make sense as it's what all the Jedi masters did in the OT. Same with Snoke having no characterization. He's liek the Emperor stom the OT and we never really knew anything about him until the prequels, didn't know a name or anything. They basically jsut used his Empire story for Snoke in TFA and his RotJ story in TLJ. Sot he fact that he died and we didn't get anyhting isn't any different from the originals either. Having him killed off allows for much more story opportunity and progression for Kylo as well. Plus his deatha nd story arc in this movie made for a great parallel with what Luke said about the Jedi. Both were arrogant adn full of hubris at their heights of power. This is what allowed Kylo to kill him without him realizing. It also helps the current story of finding a balance between the two and not jist Jedi vs. Sith as we are shown that there are problems with both sides.

Also with Hux I always see it as he got his position because his dad was important in the founding of the First Republic in the Outer Rim after the Empire was destroyed - more than his personal abilities. Plus they clearly showed Snoke keeps him in his position because he is easily manipulated

The way Kylo was able to kill Snoke (assuming that was actually him and that he is actually dead) parallels a bit how Sidious was killed in that he was so focused on killing Luke he didn't/wasn't able to fight back against Vader picking him up - same thing here that Snoke was so focused on Rey he didn't/couldn't notice what Kylo was doing

 

[Chef Louis]

I think it's interesting that there is a backlash against the backlash. Why are the opinions that don't match yours so important to defend or worse tell them there opinion is wrong. If I didn't like xyz scene because of a certiain element you are allowed to like the same scene because of said element and neither opinion is better.

What I will say is every kid that I've talked to and has seen the TLJ loves the movie. Which is great.

 

[umichigan10]

I think it's interesting that there is a backlash against the backlash. Why are the opinions that don't match yours so important to defend or worse tell them there opinion is wrong. If I didn't like xyz scene because of a certiain element you are allowed to like the same scene because of said element and neither opinion is better.

What I will say is every kid that I've talked to and has seen the TLJ loves the movie. Which is great.

But why are you back lashing the backlash of the backlash? (You see how this goes)

People have strong opinions one way or another for the movie. It’s a discussion board so people will get passionate for whatever side they do or don’t agree with.

Honestly as long as it doesn’t turn into vulgar personal bashing that forces a mod to close the thread, I see no harm either way

 

[jkh36619]

Listed quite a bit in previous posts:

Short recap

1. Last Jedi appears to be a sequel to Naked Gun 33 1/3 more so than TFA. Can we expect more slap stick humour in the next flick?
2. Rebel ships now require gas which is okay because all ships appear to have odd physics constraints placed on them.
3. Leia is invincible and can fly through space(though likely she will be written out in the screen crawl of the next movie)
4. Jedi Schmedi.... those guys are old has beens.
5. Sith Lords.... see #4
6. Force ghosts can now call down physical lightning
7. Luke complete 180 change in character(this seems to be a thing lately, all of our heros have to be either flawed or torn down completely)
8. New Weaponization of Light Speed completely screws up plots of previous movies
9. Every entry after this will probably have some pet cause from the director (this one had freeing space horses, and evil rich casino planet).
10. Now everyone can use the force with minimal training! YAY!


Once again this movie achieved a rare feat, it actually was so bad that it made its predecessors worse after watching this steaming pile.

All of this. Also, it seemed less than 10 transports made it to the salt planet but during the battle, it looked like 10,00 people in the trenches. In the end, 15 people escaped??
If Phasma's armor can deflect blaster fire, why aren't all Storm Troopers wearing it? And I really really could have done without the sea creatures boobs being milked.

To me, TFA was a much better flick. I doubt I will go to the theater for the next one. Was disappointing.

 

[BrianL]

If Phasma's armor can deflect blaster fire, why aren't all Storm Troopers wearing it?

Regarding Phasma, it's just a cost/benefit equation. It's the same reason TIE Fighters don't have shields and hyper-drives. The Empire nor First Order care at all what happens to the cannon fodder. The Republic's Clone Troopers did have better armor and it could in some cases take a hit or two (not quite like Phasma's close range 'ping' though). They make a point of this on Star Wars Rebels when Captain Rex points out how shoddy the Storm Trooper armor is compared to his suit. The Storm Trooper strategy is to overwhelm with numbers and everyone's expendable.

 

[jkh36619]

Regarding Phasma, it's just a cost/benefit equation. It's the same reason TIE Fighters don't have shields and hyper-drives. The Empire nor First Order care at all what happens to the cannon fodder. The Republic's Clone Troopers did have better armor and it could in some cases take a hit or two (not quite like Phasma's close range 'ping' though). They make a point of this on Star Wars Rebels when Captain Rex points out how shoddy the Storm Trooper armor is compared to his suit. The Storm Trooper strategy is to overwhelm with numbers and everyone's expendable.

But her armor is made out of recycled ship scrap. As many ships as I have seen destroyed in the last 40 years, it should be quite abundant!

 

[Iowamomof4]

I loved the movie, and I've seen it three times, but I do have to wonder if Rian Johnson may have been a bit too subtle with some things. In particular, I'm thinking about the books from the jedi library. My brother was one who didn't like the movie, and I asked him right away if he realized Rey had saved the books and he had totally missed that. Some people have that on their list of reasons why they hated the film, and frankly I think Rian Johnson just needed to be a little more obvious about the books being saved. I don't think RJ did himself any favors by being so clever. People are genuinely distressed in believing that thousands of years of jedi lore were burned up by Yoda no less!

Another plot point that people are upset about (or using as one excuse for not liking the film) is how DJ was able to rat out the Resistance to the First Order. It's so easy to forget he was right behind Finn when Poe was talking to him over a comlink before they got back to Snoke's ship. At that point Poe told Finn about the transports, though he didn't know about Crait yet. Anyway, it was easy to miss and became an easy target for those who didn't care for the film overall.

I'm curious what you think? Do you believe RJ might have been a bit too subtle with some of his plot points and that is causing at least some of the misplaced backlash? I'm not talking at all about the legitimate gripes people have (Leia flying through space, Canto Bight plotline, Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder, etc...), I'm talking about gripes where they are upset about something because they may have missed an important detail that was definitely in the film.

 

[BrianL]

But her armor is made out of recycled ship scrap. As many ships as I have seen destroyed in the last 40 years, it should be quite abundant!

Well, I didn't know about the ship parts thing, but maybe there is still a cost to salvaging and refining armor like that. Clearly the First Order (nor the Empire) was not interested in the safety of the average Trooper.