Star Trek (2009 movie)

[Imzadi]

I far as I remember, Berman had no part with most recent movie.

It was directed by JJ Abrams.

Off to Google. . .


Hey! You're right! YAY!!!!

According to the IMdb.com:

Rick Berman: "Took over as head of the Star Trek franchise after its creator, Gene Roddenberry, died in the early 90s. He remained head of the franchise until 2006, when he chose not to renew his contract."

Yes, he left after he killed the franchise with Enterprise, the TV series,

The credits for Star Trek, (2009) list a totally new and completely different set of producers. No one from the Berman era were a part of it in any creative way.

OK, so which writer is responsible for the destruction of Vulcan?
We'll give him a free pass for now.

 

[palmtreegirl]

I thought it was a great movie.

Me too, it's one of my all time favorite movies.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Great movie, love the reboot. I especially love the choices for the characters.

Honestly I thought the writing was clever as well.

I do hate that they destroyed Vulcan, that does stink, however I am sure there are more Vulcans around. They were not all on the planet at once.

 

[Imzadi]

Great movie, love the reboot. I especially love the choices for the characters.

Honestly I thought the writing was clever as well.

I do hate that they destroyed Vulcan, that does stink, however I am sure there are more Vulcans around. They were not all on the planet at once.

But they only mate once every 7 years, or something like that, when they go through their Pon farr. (Remember Amok Time, & The Search for Spock. ) It's going to take a long time to repopulate the species.

So, umm, what do Spock & Uhura do when they get together.

 

[ChrisFL]

Great movie, love the reboot. I especially love the choices for the characters.

Honestly I thought the writing was clever as well.

I do hate that they destroyed Vulcan, that does stink, however I am sure there are more Vulcans around. They were not all on the planet at once.

I actually re-watched the movie last week and Spock said there was only about 10,000 left now.

 

[Agri]

I don't think I like it. What if one of the Vulcan's that was killed when the planet was destroyed was the person that introduced Picard's parents. Now, they have never met. Now there is no Jean Luc Picard.

It kind of feels like tossing all of that history in the trash.

It's not. Think of them as two completely different timelines/parallel universes. Donnie Darko sort of helps with this. LOL Everytime a decision is made, a new path/universe is formed. They also showed in the movie that the timeline was trying to heal itself, the Enterprise crew was not together the way they were in timeline A, but they still ended up together by the end of the flim (timeline B). It's why there are two Spocks - they are from two different universes. Back in SpockPrime's world, Romulus has exploded and Jean Luc Picard had still been captain of the Enterprise.

And to break out the TOS, its like the mirror universe, in a way or when McCoy saved Edith Keeler - the same people still existed, they were just different. In ST09, everything diverged from the Prime universe because of Nero's actions - going back in time and destroying the ship Kirk's dad was on. Kirk ended up being raised by an abusive stepfather instead of idolizing his dad, but he still ended up in Starfleet. The goal was the same, even though the path was different.

I'm really excited for the sequel - provided they don't rehash the major characters like Harry Mudd or Khan. I'm also not concerned about Vulcan being destroyed - I'm excited to see how this affects their reunification with the Romulans (since they are the same species). I'm sure the Vulcan scientists will work out a drug to trigger the desire to mate (they might even be able to procreate without the 'burning' for all we know). Combine that with a few Romulans who want to hook up with Vulcans and it won't be much longer before the universe is swimming in Vulcans again.

***Berman walked away from ST when Enterprise ended. Braga was more responsible for the war and drama material. If you really want to talk about someone who did not like Trek nor 'get it', Braga is your man. In numerous interviews he said that he felt ST was too 'happy' and needed more war and conflict.

 

[Imzadi]

I actually re-watched the movie last week and Spock said there was only about 10,000 left now.

***Berman walked away from ST when Enterprise ended. Braga was more responsible for the war and drama material. If you really want to talk about someone who did not like Trek nor 'get it', Braga is your man. In numerous interviews he said that he felt ST was too 'happy' and needed more war and conflict.

I'm glad that whole team are gone then.

 

[WDWBarb]

This was one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time. I've watched it several times and I still cry in the beginning and laugh SO hard about "numb tongue." Very well done. I am loving the reboot!!

 

[Shutterbug]

Seeing this new Enterprise on an Imax screen was awesome,,,just pure awesome.

 

[Agri]

I'm glad that whole team are gone then.

Me too. I think Berman was in the same position too long. Even though Roddenberry created ST, he checked out middle of the second season and was not involved in any of the movies. Have you read the book Inside Star Trek by Bob Justman and Herbert Solow? If not, I highly recommend it.

I think its hard to remain 'visionary' when you're working with the same material for a long time - especially if you're trying to remain loyal to a vision that never really existed (GR's). I also think he got blamed for a lot of Braga's crap. Braga is good at what he does, its just that what he does well is not what ST is about.

 

[donaldduck352]

I think J.J.Abrahms is gonna bring a new genre of Trek fans with this movie.The what if,why and what could be is up in the air now.As far as the movie line showed,the past can be changed-ENTER Q!!!

The Trek will live on,just watch!!!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Most of the actors from 2009 resigned for two sequels. The first should be out in 2012.

In interesting peek behind the scenes: Kirk meets Kirk

I agree seeing Star Trek on IMAX was great! We took the kids to see it twice - but I think we enjoyed it more!

 

[The Mystery Machine]

I actually re-watched the movie last week and Spock said there was only about 10,000 left now.

Oh well, good. So there is hope for the Vulcan race even considering the Pon farr.

Let's be honest, from the moment the movie began it sucked you right it. Part of the appeal is seeing them "young", much like a prequel even though it is a reboot.

 

[DizBelle]

If I think about it outside the context of everything else Star Trek, I liked the movie. The action scenes were good and who wouldn't like to look at Chris Pine for 2 hours. And "numb tongue" and the swollen hands were extremely funny.

I just felt like it was trying to take away everything I learned and loved about the original Star Trek world. I can't think of it as two Star Trek worlds.

When I first heard of the movie, I was hoping to find out how the character's lives were when they were younger that molded them into the characters that I knew and loved. But now, the characters that I knew and loved are no more. I guess, theoretically, they could still become the characters that I know. But, the door is wide open.

It's kind of like if George Lucas decided in Episode III to NOT have Anakin turn into Darth Vader. What is a Star Wars world without Darth Vader?

 

[BellvilleDad]

But they only mate once every 7 years, or something like that, when they go through their Pon farr. (Remember Amok Time, & The Search for Spock. ) It's going to take a long time to repopulate the species.

So, umm, what do Spock & Uhura do when they get together.

I figure since Spock HALF Vulcan, maybe he and Uhura "get together" every 3-1/2 years?

 

[DizBelle]

 

[Agri]

I just felt like it was trying to take away everything I learned and loved about the original Star Trek world. I can't think of it as two Star Trek worlds.

It's kind of like if George Lucas decided in Episode III to NOT have Anakin turn into Darth Vader. What is a Star Wars world without Darth Vader?

I don't get how someone could be a ST fan and not accept two different ST worlds.

*puts geek hat on*
Was the mirror universe unbelievable to you? The TOS episode with Lazarus - that was an anti-matter parallel universe. Here's an article from Memory Alpha -
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Parallel_universe

Parallel universes are such a part of ST and sci-fi in general, I cannot fathom someone being a sci-fi fan and not accepting of them.

*geek hat off*

Also, your analogy is incorrect. Anakin would always be Darth Vader, his *path* to getting there would have been different. Kirk was still Captain, his *path* to getting there in ST09 was different from what we were told before. He even still cheated on the Kobayashi Maru.

In the prime universe, Kirk's father was alive and Kirk went to Starfleet because he wanted to follow in his dad's footsteps. He then went on to teach there and work on a few different ships before settling on the Enterprise. In the ST09 universe, Kirk's dad was killed, but he ended up meeting Pike who challenged him to give Starfleet a try. Kirk ended up being sneaked onto the Enterprise and by the end, being promoted to captain.

Same result, different journeys.

 

[DizBelle]

I don't get how someone could be a ST fan and not accept two different ST worlds.

*puts geek hat on*
Was the mirror universe unbelievable to you? The TOS episode with Lazarus - that was an anti-matter parallel universe. Here's an article from Memory Alpha -
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Parallel_universe

Parallel universes are such a part of ST and sci-fi in general, I cannot fathom someone being a sci-fi fan and not accepting of them.

*geek hat off*

Also, your analogy is incorrect. Anakin would always be Darth Vader, his *path* to getting there would have been different. Kirk was still Captain, his *path* to getting there in ST09 was different from what we were told before. He even still cheated on the Kobayashi Maru.

In the prime universe, Kirk's father was alive and Kirk went to Starfleet because he wanted to follow in his dad's footsteps. He then went on to teach there and work on a few different ships before settling on the Enterprise. In the ST09 universe, Kirk's dad was killed, but he ended up meeting Pike who challenged him to give Starfleet a try. Kirk ended up being sneaked onto the Enterprise and by the end, being promoted to captain.

Same result, different journeys.

Ok, I'm a fan but I don't have a Star Trek geek hat. I guess that's why I don't appreciate what they were trying to do with this movie.

Don't get me wrong. I liked this movie and will definitely see any future Star Trek movies (maybe not in the theater but I'll see them). The end-game of this movie just left me a bit disappointed.

 

[Tinkermommy]

But they only mate once every 7 years, or something like that, when they go through their Pon farr. (Remember Amok Time, & The Search for Spock. ) It's going to take a long time to repopulate the species.

So, umm, what do Spock & Uhura do when they get together.

Vulcans HAVE to mate every seven years, but that's not the only time they can. In TOS, Spock had several encounters with women.

I love the new Star Trek. The parallel universe thing is completely in line with science fiction and TOS canon as well as other posters have pointed out.

I really like the Uhura/Spock relationship and Spock's hotness in general!

 

[Scurvy]

I don't get how someone could be a ST fan and not accept two different ST worlds.

*puts geek hat on*
Was the mirror universe unbelievable to you? The TOS episode with Lazarus - that was an anti-matter parallel universe. Here's an article from Memory Alpha -
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Parallel_universe

Parallel universes are such a part of ST and sci-fi in general, I cannot fathom someone being a sci-fi fan and not accepting of them.

*geek hat off*

Also, your analogy is incorrect. Anakin would always be Darth Vader, his *path* to getting there would have been different. Kirk was still Captain, his *path* to getting there in ST09 was different from what we were told before. He even still cheated on the Kobayashi Maru.

In the prime universe, Kirk's father was alive and Kirk went to Starfleet because he wanted to follow in his dad's footsteps. He then went on to teach there and work on a few different ships before settling on the Enterprise. In the ST09 universe, Kirk's dad was killed, but he ended up meeting Pike who challenged him to give Starfleet a try. Kirk ended up being sneaked onto the Enterprise and by the end, being promoted to captain.

Same result, different journeys.

Very good analysis!

I really enjoyed that they didn't just decide to entirely reboot and instead chose to acknowledge the original storylines and show that this is just another universe that branched off of that one. They could have chosen to ignore all the Star Trek history and just start over, and I love that they found a way to go in new directions without doing that.