Spring Direct Incentives 2/9-4/27

[kgou]

I have read all 50 pages. I want to buy 150 at PIVOT, stay in the longhouses or a studio in the tower, and eat my dolewhip.

Now if someone would just give me permission to set fire to my money i could get off this board and get busy! I own 100 resale okw points and then we stayed at the poly.....

do it, do it!! are you typically a studios person or a 1BD person? you mentioned the longhouses so guessing *not 1BD*. 150 pts won't go far at Poly, but if you prefer studios that will help stretch your points.
*typo in my original post!!

Permission granted! Sell those OKW points and buy all the Poly points you want! YOLO

agreed!!!! permission granted! nothing better than a dole whip overlooking seven seas lagoon!

 

[NY Pirate Princess]

do it, do it!! are you typically a studios person or a 1BD person? you mentioned the longhouses so guessing 1BD. 150 pts won't go far at Poly, but if you prefer studios that will help stretch your points.

agreed!!!! permission granted! nothing better than a dole whip overlooking seven seas lagoon!

We are about to empty nest so a studio will be just right.

Too old for direct points, college to pay for, early retirement in a few months, but I just keep trying to figure out how i can buy enough for a blue card. Why not, right? In for 175 a point in for 243....

Staying at beach club in july on okw points and pondering....

 

[intamin]

My SAP+ is my Aulani subsidized contracts. I adore Aulani and I love to stay there. I have enough points there that I can use them to stay other places too. Actually my CCV is used as SAP+ as well. I have stayed so many places with that CCV contract, even Aulani before I owned there. But if DVC shifted and I could only book my home resort of CCV I would be very happy there. Thats the +

Whoo team AUL-S! Personally I'd go BLT for my second SAP+ but you can't go wrong with CCV either. Picking AUL-S as our home resort was one of the best things we did. Without it there's absolutely no way we get week long stays at Aulani for 120 points in the hotel room.

It will be the same or more than RIV no chance it’s less. My bet is on more.

I think it'll be relatively close. Obviously higher than CCV but idk with it being such a large resort and having multiple stops if paired with CFW I could see it being slightly lower charts than RIV or equal? More likely equal or higher but I still can't rule out a verrrrry slight decrease from RIV. More likely though point chart inflation will push it over RIVs

 

[VGCgroupie]

Whoo team AUL-S! Personally I'd go BLT for my second SAP+ but you can't go wrong with CCV either. Picking AUL-S as our home resort was one of the best things we did. Without it there's absolutely no way we get week long stays at Aulani for 120 points in the hotel room.


I think it'll be relatively close. Obviously higher than CCV but idk with it being such a large resort and having multiple stops if paired with CFW I could see it being slightly lower charts than RIV or equal? More likely equal or higher but I still can't rule out a verrrrry slight decrease from RIV. More likely though point chart inflation will push it over RIVs

If point charts are lower than RIV I can see myself buying it. Even if people don’t trust the trust.

 

[ClaraOswald]

I continued to buy direct long after I had reached blue card status because:
1. I wanted the points immediately
2a. I wanted my points freely usable at all current and future resorts.
2b. I wanted Riviera but did not want to be stuck there exclusively.
3. Paying the additional cost to get direct over resale didn't bother me.

ETA:
4. I didn't want to wait around for the right point total in the right use year to appear.
5. I wanted a specific FW at CCV.

Oooh...look at Money Bags over here!

 

[Flash_Sloth]

If point charts are lower than RIV I can see myself buying it. Even if people don’t trust the trust.

Oh, I really don't trust the trust. Maybe it is fear of change or unknown. I might be extra skeptical because of trust points with other timeshares.

And I'm not sure how much I can trust the deeded properties because DVD can really skew things with expansions. For example, with VGF2, they added the all studio BPK building to the same association as VGF, significantly changing the ratio of studios, 1br, 2br, 3br. And when they added the bungalows to Poly, and then the very points expensive PIT room categories. And SSR Treehouse villas, but those are a much smaller percentage of the total points at SSR.

Some of these changes may work great for some owners, but it is notably changing things compared to what they initially bought into.

 

[Girlstar30]

For me, the reason we bought direct was because resale at the resort we wanted (VDH) wasn't much cheaper. Plus, the resale points would be restricted to only VDH. So I will gladly pay a bit more for the ability to book all the current and future resorts.

Now, of course, WDW is an entirely different ball game than DLR. I only have resale points at BRV. I did look into direct BRV but the price difference was nuts and I definitely wouldn't pay that when there are plenty of resorts I can book with my BRV points.

I really think the main reason to purchase direct, for me, is just the ability to book whatever resort I want with those points. The "extras" like lounges, discounts, Sorcerer's pass are just a nice bonus but not a reason I would ever purchase direct.

I would buy the direct for the extras as a big reason because I just love the extras but id make sure to back that up with an awesome resort in case the ones I like fly away lol.

I wouldnt purchase direct banking on those extras saving me money for years to come however. It feels nice being fully in the club. Im more excited to go to wdw now for totwl, two other lounges, mickey and minnie in seasonal outfits and of course MM! If they go away tho im straight with my awesome resort that I love!

 

[Girlstar30]

@Girlstar30 will sell you hers for a few thousand dollars.

If they even send it to me

 

[Girlstar30]

Two costly Disney mistakes for us.

1. DW's 50th trip (so much pixie dust), ended up buying first DVC contract with the 2009 webcast incentives a month later. Already said no more contracts too many times. I would like to say no more, but I really do want a RIV resale (w
2. Staying in a 1BR a couple times. Once you're used to them, studios feel like roughing it. Not sure I can even get DW to stay in a studio anymore. Only exception is probably PVB longhouse.

I can totally do studios at DLR and actually prefer saving points, but only feel this way because they're shorter stays. WDW is a whole different beast. Im going to try a duo studio for the first time in a few months and although im scared lol I really do hope we like it to save more points I love the jungle book theme

 

[Girlstar30]

Oh, I really don't trust the trust. Maybe it is fear of change or unknown. I might be extra skeptical because of trust points with other timeshares.

And I'm not sure how much I can trust the deeded properties because DVD can really skew things with expansions. For example, with VGF2, they added the all studio BPK building to the same association as VGF, significantly changing the ratio of studios, 1br, 2br, 3br. And when they added the bungalows to Poly, and then the very points expensive PIT room categories. And SSR Treehouse villas, but those are a much smaller percentage of the total points at SSR.

Some of these changes may work great for some owners, but it is notably changing things compared to what they initially bought into.

Now just imagine when they have the power to do more without question on whether its allowed or not, much more.

 

[intamin]

If point charts are lower than RIV I can see myself buying it. Even if people don’t trust the trust.

Hrmm I think I'm just going to 7 month into it. With the resort being as large as it is, unless they declare most of it as hotel inventory which I doubt they will I think it'll be relatively easy to get in. Even if it means a less ideal room category like a 1BR. The A frames could be interesting though, I don't think they're up to the level of a CCV cabin but maybe somewhere between a treehouse and a cabin.

 

[Add-On-Itis]

Whoo team AUL-S! Personally I'd go BLT for my second SAP+ but you can't go wrong with CCV either. Picking AUL-S as our home resort was one of the best things we did. Without it there's absolutely no way we get week long stays at Aulani for 120 points in the hotel room.


I think it'll be relatively close. Obviously higher than CCV but idk with it being such a large resort and having multiple stops if paired with CFW I could see it being slightly lower charts than RIV or equal? More likely equal or higher but I still can't rule out a verrrrry slight decrease from RIV. More likely though point chart inflation will push it over RIVs

BLT pool is being refurb now. Hope they make it half decent, a more modern look and feel will be nice. If so it will get upgraded from SAP+ to a SAP+++

 

[Add-On-Itis]

If point charts are lower than RIV I can see myself buying it. Even if people don’t trust the trust.

Lower point chart at what point in time tho? As they can increase the point chart as they declare more unit.

 

[eticketplease]

Lower point chart at what point in time tho? As they can increase the point chart as they declare more unit.

No they can't increase points because they declare more units.
They can only reallocate points in the points charts to different rooms and seasons they can't add more points.
What happened with PVB is they moved some rooms from TP view to standard view and had to reallocated the points across the resort to rebalance.

 

[Tatebeck]

No they can't increase points because they declare more units.
They can only reallocate points in the points charts to different rooms and seasons they can't add more points.
What happened with PVB is they moved some rooms from TP view to standard view and had to reallocated the points across the resort to rebalance.

Well, they can in the trust properties actually. It's unfortunately specifically allowed in the documents. They only have to balance across each separate RTU (the entire resort) for points, and newly declared rooms do not have to have the same value as previously declared rooms. They have actually already declared some cabins at CFW at a higher rate than the initial ones were declared at as Sandi pointed out earlier.

They could declare 5000 points per room for the first 100 studios, then switch to 6000 per room for the next 100 studios and redistribute across all of the studios. So each would house 5500 points at that point and the initial cost of the rooms would be increased by 10 percent.

 

[eticketplease]

Well, they can in the trust properties actually. It's specifically allowed in the documents. They could declare 5000 points per room for the first 100 studios, then switch to 6000 per room for the next 100 studios and redistribute across all of the studios. So each would house 5500 points at that point and the initial cost of the rooms would be increased by 10 percent.

Thanks I was thinking the traditional model.

Certainly another reason not to trust the trust lol

 

[VGCgroupie]

Hrmm I think I'm just going to 7 month into it. With the resort being as large as it is, unless they declare most of it as hotel inventory which I doubt they will I think it'll be relatively easy to get in. Even if it means a less ideal room category like a 1BR. The A frames could be interesting though, I don't think they're up to the level of a CCV cabin but maybe somewhere between a treehouse and a cabin.

Yeah it may be easy at 7 months. I just know I will have FOMO and buy especially if point charts are good.

 

[airjay75]

Yeah it may be easy at 7 months. I just know I will have FOMO and buy especially if point charts are good.

And, I could see them making the resort view points charts pretty good, but with owning there being a necessity to reliably secure them.

 

[Tatebeck]

And, I could see them making the resort view points charts pretty good, but with owning there being a necessity to reliably secure them.

That's how they got me with RIV. Resort view is really a steal vs Preferred

 

[Cfabar1]

Now just imagine when they have the power to do more without question on whether its allowed or not, much more.

And they are not bound by a 40 year minimum window… ostensibly… We know at this point there will not be any additions to VGF, BLT, AKV, etc.

BLT pool is being refurb now. Hope they make it half decent, a more modern look and feel will be nice. If so it will get upgraded from SAP+ to a SAP+++

Would be nice… I wouldn’t hold my breath… they seem to never truly “refurbish” these things, just repaint… I wish they’d make the outdoor areas at the dluxe resorts bigger and more swimmable… I don’t know of a single hotel on property that has a decent pool setup except the four seasons….

Well, they can in the trust properties actually. It's unfortunately specifically allowed in the documents. They only have to balance across each separate RTU (the entire resort) for points, and newly declared rooms do not have to have the same value as previously declared rooms. They have actually already declared some cabins at CFW at a higher rate than the initial ones were declared at as Sandi pointed out earlier.

They could declare 5000 points per room for the first 100 studios, then switch to 6000 per room for the next 100 studios and redistribute across all of the studios. So each would house 5500 points at that point and the initial cost of the rooms would be increased by 10 percent.

this right here defeats any benefit to buying a DVC “trust based” timeshare….

Funnily enough, the old unit-points system in the original properties is what is preventing them from implementing the trust system-wide, which is what every other timeshare has done… They buy back the old inventory, convert it to the trust products, and squeeze out the old owners… This works nicely in a fixed-week deeded system, but much less so in the DVC approach where the owners don’t really own anything other than “points” reflected in a real estate deeded interest…

The new trust means you have access to a certain number of points to access properties in the trust, but they have tremendous latitude as to what the points will actually represent… not for me…

I wonder how the trust works with FW… that might be the one way to make it work… maybe I would consider a fixed week trust product, if it truly “guaranteed me” that week, I knew I could sell it, and I know as a backstop I have access to a number of other DVC properties with fixed points charts…

But, given how many desirable properties are leaving the system in 2042, I’m not convinced it will be easy to trade for resale owners - or really a lot of owners at that point… Buy where you want to stay…