Spanish becoming dominant language in Miami

I have no problem with people speaking Spanish.
As long as they know enough English to get by in AMERICA.
Why leave Latin America if you want to keep speaking Spanish?

I know enough Spanish so that I could get by if I went to Mexico.
Come on, if I went there, THEY'D expect me to speak Spanish! Shouldn't we expect them to at least try to learn English...?
 
I have no problem with people speaking Spanish.
As long as they know enough English to get by in AMERICA.
Why leave Latin America if you want to keep speaking Spanish?

I know enough Spanish so that I could get by if I went to Mexico.
Come on, if I went there, THEY'D expect me to speak Spanish! Shouldn't we expect them to at least try to learn English...?

because america has freedom. simple as that.

They are not Spanish, they are Latin. If you are Spanish, you are from Spain and Spain only.
You are in another country, so you don't know what the immigration problem is like.

It pisses me off that people can't speak English when they are in America. Vacation? Fine. Live here? Not fine.
I should not have to accomodate you (by speaking Spanish) because you're too damn lazy. ( to learn English)
It's ridiculous to see all the Spanish signs around and hear people say 'No speekkeee iiingliiish'. Well then make a freaking effort to fit in.
Sorry, it just really makes my blood boil that MY FAMILY had to make an effort to be someone in this country, yet these people are getting off scot-free.

i understand where you are coming from and i am sure some people are just too lazy to learn english. altho some probably have a reason why they cant learn it.. maybe they dont have money to pay for lessons or they have an illness or mental disease.
 
I'm really frustrated. If I moved to say, Germany, I'd have to learn German. Sure, I could speak English there too...but I would learn the native language.

JUST LEARN ENGLISH, PLEASE? Nobody's forcing you to speak it all the time but...it is really not fair to those of us who have lived here forever and speak English.

Think about it this way. When our ancestors immigrated here many years ago, they had to learn to speak English.
 
Exactly and if we got to take a vacation in a foreign place we are expected to atleast try and speak it, but for some reason it is impossible for them. We have these FES (Foreign Exchange Students) who are from Korea and they still speak their language but they also learned how to speak English by trying to talk to the American students. It was pretty cool how we can show each other are cultures and languages. Why can't the Spanish and Latin people try.
 

Heh, I find here that I don't care what language someone is speaking to me in.
If they're going to make Spanish and official language some where, I think that both parties should learn both languages.
If someone starts speaking to me in French, I'll continue in French (and I mean really, most people round here, if they don't know French they can still get the jist of short conversations).
 
This topic seriously bothers me. If you're in America you should know how to speak English. You can speak your native language, sure. But please; it isn't fair to an American who speaks English to struggle to assist someone who doesn't (and should because they live in America; they should be expected to speak english) :\

I completely agree 100%
 
nevermind lol
what i said sounded kind of mean xD
 
how many of you "come to the country you better learn english" freaks out there actually speak more than one language? most of you probably don't.

well, i do. and i know how hard it is to use my second language when i have to. learning English is not an easy thing to do, and if you think it is, why don't you go immerse yourself in another language/culture/country and try to survive?

its not easy. its not fun. its not simple, like you make it out to be. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a citizen, and you have to have better english skills than most natives do. i'm willing to put money on the fact that more than half this forum could not pass the citizenship test.

so, before you get all high and mighty about immigrants, walk a few feet (not even a mile) in their shoes. or, even, take a second language class. and no, i don't mean when you're a teenager and your language blocks haven't developed yet. i mean when you're 30-40 years old, and you are almost physically and mentally unable to learn a second language.

english is the hardest language in the world to learn. if you disagree with me, point out one single rule in the english language that does not have an exception. ;et me save you the trouble...there isn't one.

so what if the main language is something else besides english. why does it affect you? why don't you just take it and go with it. pick up a little spanish here and there. even if you have to press one for english, your life is infinately easier than that of the immigrants who can't read street signs or understand our laws because they haven't learned our language yet.
 
If you want to speak spanish at home, that is totally fine. But the fact that signs everywhere are being posted in spanish in addition to english is totally ridiculous.

If I went to live in Mexico or Spain or wherever I wouldn't expect them to put everything in english for me, I'd learn the language.
 
how many of you "come to the country you better learn english" freaks out there actually speak more than one language? most of you probably don't.

well, i do. and i know how hard it is to use my second language when i have to. learning English is not an easy thing to do, and if you think it is, why don't you go immerse yourself in another language/culture/country and try to survive?

its not easy. its not fun. its not simple, like you make it out to be. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a citizen, and you have to have better english skills than most natives do. i'm willing to put money on the fact that more than half this forum could not pass the citizenship test.

so, before you get all high and mighty about immigrants, walk a few feet (not even a mile) in their shoes. or, even, take a second language class. and no, i don't mean when you're a teenager and your language blocks haven't developed yet. i mean when you're 30-40 years old, and you are almost physically and mentally unable to learn a second language.

english is the hardest language in the world to learn. if you disagree with me, point out one single rule in the english language that does not have an exception. ;et me save you the trouble...there isn't one.

so what if the main language is something else besides english. why does it affect you? why don't you just take it and go with it. pick up a little spanish here and there. even if you have to press one for english, your life is infinately easier than that of the immigrants who can't read street signs or understand our laws because they haven't learned our language yet.

I understand what you are saying. However, I think that more effort could be made on the immigrants parts to learn english. I have doubts that a lot of them are. And I do know how hard it is to learn at language at an older age. You basically have until you are 14 to learn a language well, after that your brain prunes the area for languages to be learned.
 
I understand what you are saying. However, I think that more effort could be made on the immigrants parts to learn english. I have doubts that a lot of them are. And I do know how hard it is to learn at language at an older age. You basically have until you are 14 to learn a language well, after that your brain prunes the area for languages to be learned.

a lot of them are, but like you said, it is really hard after youre fourteen.

you don't know them.
you don't know if they're trying.

i live in a place with the highest immigration rates of my entire state. i know more about it than most people on this board can claim to. and i know more immigrants than most can claim to.
i know a family who moved here from cuba, six years ago, and it took their 9 year old son 8 months to learn english.

i seriously doubt anyone here has the wherewithal to survive 8 months in a country without speaking the language.

immigrants deserve more credit than any of you are really giving them. to be a country built of different cultures, how close minded we have become.
 
this topic is pretty big with me as well.

but...
spanish is america's second language though, is it not?
french is canada's second language and there are areas where people ONLY speak french, and it's acceptable. As it should be, because we are a bilingual country.
and i would expect in america where would be areas where only spanish is spoken.

But what I am seeing ALOT of in my city...is immigrants from South Asia (ie; India, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc) who refuse to learn English. and it is being completely accepted around here and they are being catered to.
In my town, in a job advert 'bilingual' doesn't mean english/french like it does in the rest of Ontario/Canada, it means english/urdu/hindi/punjabi etc.
And I have no problem with that...but when I see job adverts and stores and SCHOOLS that cater ONLY to urdu/hindi/punjabi speaking people it makes me SO irritated.

I understand that it's probably very difficult for them to learn English...and I personally know how hard it is to learn a second language (it's taken me FIVE YEARS to master french) but IMO they are just taking advantage of Canada's 'multi-culturalism'.

I just don't think there should be schools in my city for people who don't speak English. If I were to move to another country I would fully expect to learn their mother language and be taught/communicate in that language.
But there are just so many immigrants from South Asia in my city now that they can live and communicate and learn without having to know a single word of English.

I have NO problem with immigration, I love the fact that my city is multi cultural and that in school I learned all about different culutres and religions and languages(i mean...i bet half of you have never heard of urdu before!)
but it's just irritating that they are sort of just...taking advantage of our municipal government.
And I have no problem with bilingualism/trilingualism/ whatever/however many languages someone speaks...i just think that in an English speaking country (with FRENCH as a second language) there should not be jobs and SCHOOLS only for people who don't speak English and/or French.
 
well in my views, i cant hate them or anything for not knowing english... learning a new language is hard.. but if you live here long enough, you should at least know some basic things over time... but heres the thing...

imo... its ok to have an area in america be dominant in a different language...

but its not ok to have an area in america to ONLY cater to that language...

i dont mind if people walk down the streets and speak spanish to eachother.. but if its to the point where english-speaking people get completely lost in the area because of the language barrier, than it becomes an issue


not sure if i made any sense haha
 
this topic is pretty big with me as well.

but...
spanish is america's second language though, is it not?
french is canada's second language and there are areas where people ONLY speak french, and it's acceptable. As it should be, because we are a bilingual country.
and i would expect in america where would be areas where only spanish is spoken.

But what I am seeing ALOT of in my city...is immigrants from South Asia (ie; India, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc) who refuse to learn English. and it is being completely accepted around here and they are being catered to.
In my town, in a job advert 'bilingual' doesn't mean english/french like it does in the rest of Ontario/Canada, it means english/urdu/hindi/punjabi etc.
And I have no problem with that...but when I see job adverts and stores and SCHOOLS that cater ONLY to urdu/hindi/punjabi speaking people it makes me SO irritated.

I understand that it's probably very difficult for them to learn English...and I personally know how hard it is to learn a second language (it's taken me FIVE YEARS to master french) but IMO they are just taking advantage of Canada's 'multi-culturalism'.

I just don't think there should be schools in my city for people who don't speak English. If I were to move to another country I would fully expect to learn their mother language and be taught/communicate in that language.
But there are just so many immigrants from South Asia in my city now that they can live and communicate and learn without having to know a single word of English.

I have NO problem with immigration, I love the fact that my city is multi cultural and that in school I learned all about different culutres and religions and languages(i mean...i bet half of you have never heard of urdu before!)
but it's just irritating that they are sort of just...taking advantage of our municipal government.
And I have no problem with bilingualism/trilingualism/ whatever/however many languages someone speaks...i just think that in an English speaking country (with FRENCH as a second language) there should not be jobs and SCHOOLS only for people who don't speak English and/or French.

I thought French is the 1st Language of Canada because France was the 1st to come in. And then its English
 
I thought French is the 1st Language of Canada because France was the 1st to come in. And then its English

English & French are both recognized as Canada's official languages.
French is the 'second language' because only 22% of the population speaks it, whereas 68% speaks english (the other 10% speaking neither i assume)
If you mean hisotrically the FIRST language spoken in Canada was French then you'd be correct. :thumbsup2


(back to your regularly scheduled topic)
 
how many of you "come to the country you better learn english" freaks out there actually speak more than one language? most of you probably don't.

well, i do. and i know how hard it is to use my second language when i have to. learning English is not an easy thing to do, and if you think it is, why don't you go immerse yourself in another language/culture/country and try to survive?

its not easy. its not fun. its not simple, like you make it out to be. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a citizen, and you have to have better english skills than most natives do. i'm willing to put money on the fact that more than half this forum could not pass the citizenship test.

so, before you get all high and mighty about immigrants, walk a few feet (not even a mile) in their shoes. or, even, take a second language class. and no, i don't mean when you're a teenager and your language blocks haven't developed yet. i mean when you're 30-40 years old, and you are almost physically and mentally unable to learn a second language.

english is the hardest language in the world to learn. if you disagree with me, point out one single rule in the english language that does not have an exception. ;et me save you the trouble...there isn't one.

so what if the main language is something else besides english. why does it affect you? why don't you just take it and go with it. pick up a little spanish here and there. even if you have to press one for english, your life is infinately easier than that of the immigrants who can't read street signs or understand our laws because they haven't learned our language yet.

Yes. I do speak another language. Not fluently but enough to make conversations and by. I have lived in another country, albeit a short time, before I knew much Spanish. It's hard not to be able to talk to your own blood relatives.

I know English is a hard language. I've heard my mom (who speaks several languages fluently) say over and over again it was really hard. I understand it costs money. That's why my mom is not a citizen (legally living here with a green card) and my sister and myself don't have dual citizenships. Too expensive.

What bothers me is that these people are catered to. Thousands of immigrants before them had to make an effort to conform if they wanted their family to live the American dream. Why should've my family have to work incredibly hard to be able to communicate in this country yet these immigrants have it easy?


Caitlin, as far as I know Spanish isn't America's 2nd official language. I think it might be in Texas but I'm not sure. Please feel free to correct me.
 
how many of you "come to the country you better learn english" freaks out there actually speak more than one language? most of you probably don't.

well, i do. and i know how hard it is to use my second language when i have to. learning English is not an easy thing to do, and if you think it is, why don't you go immerse yourself in another language/culture/country and try to survive?

its not easy. its not fun. its not simple, like you make it out to be. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a citizen, and you have to have better english skills than most natives do. i'm willing to put money on the fact that more than half this forum could not pass the citizenship test.

so, before you get all high and mighty about immigrants, walk a few feet (not even a mile) in their shoes. or, even, take a second language class. and no, i don't mean when you're a teenager and your language blocks haven't developed yet. i mean when you're 30-40 years old, and you are almost physically and mentally unable to learn a second language.

english is the hardest language in the world to learn. if you disagree with me, point out one single rule in the english language that does not have an exception. ;et me save you the trouble...there isn't one.

so what if the main language is something else besides english. why does it affect you? why don't you just take it and go with it. pick up a little spanish here and there. even if you have to press one for english, your life is infinately easier than that of the immigrants who can't read street signs or understand our laws because they haven't learned our language yet.


First of all, it does not cost "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to become a citizen. My mom's friend came here illegally from Peru when she was 7. She spoke no English and said it was so hard for her to fit in when no one else spoke her native language. Her parents still don't speak enough English to get by and she has to go with them to their doctor appointments, make calls for them, etc., to interpret. There is no reason why after 24 years, they can't learn to speak English.

She and her family got their green cards, which cost them $369 and they lasted for 10 years. She is now 31, which meant she had to pay about $750. This was only for her. Her parents had to pay this for themselves and her two sisters. That's an awful lot of money for people who are working minimum wage jobs. She just took and passed her citizenship test in December. That test cost her $269.

I do agree with you about the citizenship test. Most people, whether they're American or from another country, would have a hard time passing it. My mom and I took one online and I failed by one question and she passed with 6/11 questions and we were both born here.

I also agree with you that English is probably the hardest language to learn in the world. But my family and most other families learned to speak it when they came here, so why shouldn't everyone else? I have no problem with people coming her and not knowing the language, but why should I have to "pick up a little spanish here and there"? Why can't they pick up a little English here and there just to get by?

I speak another language too. I also agree with you that is hard to speak it when you don't have anyone who speaks it around you, but that's not the case when you speak Spanish in this country. Even if they learned just enough to get by, it would make their life much easier.

My grandfather travels all over the world for his job. When he arrives in another country, he walks around the airport and looks at the signs to know what some of the basic words are. I know that most big cities in other countries speak English now, but he has learned quite a few phrases from every country he's been in. He assimilates to the country he's in, so why can't people who come to this country try to assimilate to ours?
 
how many of you "come to the country you better learn english" freaks out there actually speak more than one language? most of you probably don't.

well, i do. and i know how hard it is to use my second language when i have to. learning English is not an easy thing to do, and if you think it is, why don't you go immerse yourself in another language/culture/country and try to survive?

its not easy. its not fun. its not simple, like you make it out to be. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a citizen, and you have to have better english skills than most natives do. i'm willing to put money on the fact that more than half this forum could not pass the citizenship test.

so, before you get all high and mighty about immigrants, walk a few feet (not even a mile) in their shoes. or, even, take a second language class. and no, i don't mean when you're a teenager and your language blocks haven't developed yet. i mean when you're 30-40 years old, and you are almost physically and mentally unable to learn a second language.

english is the hardest language in the world to learn. if you disagree with me, point out one single rule in the english language that does not have an exception. ;et me save you the trouble...there isn't one.

so what if the main language is something else besides english. why does it affect you? why don't you just take it and go with it. pick up a little spanish here and there. even if you have to press one for english, your life is infinately easier than that of the immigrants who can't read street signs or understand our laws because they haven't learned our language yet.

well said.
thank you, i have been trying to say this.
 
This thread really makes me sick. Before you go and judge spanish-speaking people in the US, think of how you would feel if you just entered a new country for freedom and more opportunities.

Before you get angry at people for speaking a language you are not fimaliar with, think how many they are unable to learn English. You never know if they have a mental illness, are flat broke, et cetera.

What is some of those spanish-speaking people are on vacation to the US? (I know most are not, but some might be.) Do you expect them to learn a language just to vacation here. If you ever went to Mexico, Europe, et cetera, how would you like it if you were told you cannot vacation there if you do not know the native language?
 












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