Some FP+ Info

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Just because someone likes to be in the parks for rope drop doesn't mean they would prefer to spend their fastpass opportunities during that time.

I know, but if the system is going to dole out some extra opportunities day of, and they see for the past bazillion park visits you are usually inside the park at opening, you might get an alert for earlier bonuses (not the planned ones), like preferred seating at an early show or an extra fp or something.

I could even see it happening prior to day of. Suppose your in one park on a Tuesday night, the system anticipates big crowds over at MK the next day and sends an alert offering some special bonus passes for soarin to be used before 10:00 am Wednesday or something to divert some people into Epcot the next day.
 
I know, but if the system is going to dole out some extra opportunities day of, and they see for the past bazillion park visits you are usually inside the park at opening, you might get an alert for earlier bonuses (not the planned ones), like preferred seating at an early show or an extra fp or something.

I could even see it happening prior to day of. Suppose your in one park on a Tuesday night, the system anticipates big crowds over at MK the next day and sends an alert offering some special bonus passes for soarin to be used before 10:00 am Wednesday or something to divert some people into Epcot the next day.

Hopefully they'll find more flexible people to offer this to than me. Because of the way Disney is setting this system up, they want to be able to move crowds around to suit THEIR needs. But making people make ADRs 180 days out and ride reservations (probably) 60 days out means that I'm pretty much sticking with the park I have chosen.

I'm very curiuos to see how this unfolds. I still feel like they have taken away what I used to get freely, with little effort, and now want to dole it out in front of me in little bits like a carrot to see if I'll come get it.
 
As it now looks, we are going to be tied to our smartphones for all these 'alerts'. What happens when your battery dies? I know from previous trips, when I am constantly using my phone for wait times, my battery is dead about 4 hours into the day.

I have a backup battery, but it is heavy. Anyone have a recommendation?
 
Yes, you're making sense. I think you're on point with the "spreading the wealth" comment, and I believe it is a key factor (among many others) at the heart of all the NextGen/FP+ stuff. And that is what is worrying many here on the DIS and has them painting all these doomsday scenarios and threatening to never return to World. So many DISers hold their "advantages" - whether real or perceived - sacred. So when Disney announces changes that threatens those advantages (when it comes to FPs, ADRs, etc.), they lash out and act like the sky is falling.

Very true.

Some very myopic thinking going on as well.

I could just as easily respond that your thinking is pollyanna. No one I have read has stated the system was designed to increase lines, of course it isn't. The argument of affect on waiting times is in response to the "all things Disney are great" posters that keep asserting this system will decrease wait times for everyone. That is patently impossible without decreasing the average number of times a guest rides a given ride. The "doom and gloom" comes from the realization that it is those of us that plan and work and get up early to maximize our experience by minimizing our wait times are the ones that will be experiencing the increased wait times. I don't see how some on here feel that we aren't entitled to or are somehow wrong for not being overly enthusiastic at the prospect.
 

As it now looks, we are going to be tied to our smartphones for all these 'alerts'. What happens when your battery dies? I know from previous trips, when I am constantly using my phone for wait times, my battery is dead about 4 hours into the day.

I have a backup battery, but it is heavy. Anyone have a recommendation?

Here is a thread on keeping your smartphone going -- includes references to backup batteries, chargers and charging stations.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3040107&highlight=phone+battery
 
As it now looks, we are going to be tied to our smartphones for all these 'alerts'. What happens when your battery dies? I know from previous trips, when I am constantly using my phone for wait times, my battery is dead about 4 hours into the day.

I have a backup battery, but it is heavy. Anyone have a recommendation?

We now use a backup battery in the parks. We found a New Trent one on Amazon that charges both our phones. It's not too heavy, we just drop it in one of our bags and let them charge.
 
We now use a backup battery in the parks. We found a New Trent one on Amazon that charges both our phones. It's not too heavy,

we just drop it in one of our bags and let them charge.


Sounds just like letting the kids use a credit card. :goodvibes
 
I could just as easily respond that your thinking is pollyanna.

Nice word choice!

Definitely add me to camp Pollyanna (just saying it reminds me of Toms Sawyer Island for some reason).

Can we call the other camp the D-day Preppers? (D for Disney of course, not an irrational fear of the apocalypse):goodvibes
 
I think rope drop crowds will be a wash. I see it as 3 groups of people:

1) Those who won't get up early no matter what

2) Those who get up early just to get FP

3) Those who get up early no matter what


If the group 2 folks have mid morning/early afternoon FP+ booked, will ALL of them still come to rope drop? I am willing to bet a percentage of those folks won't do rope drop any more.

If you want to ride with minimal waits, couldn't get a FP+ in advance, and are willing to get up early to do it, then you have a new group of folks coming in at RD. I think this new group will probably be about the same size as the folks in the group mentioned above who won't see the value in coming for RD anymore, now that they have their FP+ booked.

Again, only time will tell, once it rolls out and people learn how to use it.

I would do Rope Drop at a different park, because I have a 2 year old who will get me up regardless.

Don't forget the other perk that is supposed to be part of the MyMagic+ FP+ suite of benefits - Availability to switch on the fly throughout the day. If you are really enjoying your meal at Be Our Guest - and your FP+ reservation for Splash Mountain is coming up, you can simple go to the app, and rebook a ride for later in the day. This is a nice plan.

BUT, if all the ride times are gobbled up early in the day by everyone on their phones getting extra FP (beyond their scheduled) that flexibility is gone! That flexibility is a key component of this new system (and I don't see it as efficient).

Now what happens to the Splash Mountain FP that someone cancels a half hour in advance of ride time? That could go to WillAustin as a bonus FP because he is such a good customer, and he just happens to be wandering over to Space Mountain, and that line is too long. I hope he can hear those text message rings in the park, otherwise he will miss that golden opportunity.

Meanwhile, I will be hanging out at Starbucks enjoying the theming.

I'm sure there will still be limits. You get 4 prebooked FPs, then once you get in the parks you can get more at a rate of every 2 hours or when your window for the next one opens up (the same as it is now). Although, maybe they'll change it so it's every 2 hours OR whenever you USE your current FP, which would encourage people to actually use them. The "when the window opens" thing seems fairly obsolete (for people with smartphones) if you can book your next FP while waiting in line for your current one.

I can also see them making "bonus" FPs more fluid. You get "dinged" for a bonus FP, but the actual parameters aren't defined. ie. you can choose from a pool of available FPs whenever you next check your phone, instead of "use this Space Mountain FP in 30 minutes or you'll lose it".
It would also make more sense to have wandering CMs allot the "bonus" FPs at their leisure with handheld devices than actually "push notify" random people.

If Disney's concern was the "uberuser" they actually could have controlled that very easily under the old (current) system.

I don't think that's their intent at all. Although it may be a byproduct.

There is still the same amount of people in the park and the same amount of rides I don't think the wait times will change that much. Disneys aim is to get people out of the line and into the stores so their system being designed to make lines longer doesnt make any sense

The TOTAL wait time may not change, but the standby wait time very well could. My enjoyment would definitely decrease, if I could only get 4- 20 minute waits, and the other 10 attractions I experienced that day boasted 40+ minute waits.

To some degree, it depends on how many attractions they "add" FP too. If they left it with most of the attractions still being without, then the standby lines at those attractions wouldn't change. If they "add" FP to everything, then it may become common to wait for 20 minutes during less crowded times of day at It's a Small World, just because Disney encouraged a bunch of people to take FPs for it.
I definitely think that's a bit far fetched though, because there will be some attractions that people just don't like. Maybe they'll be able to con some first time goers to go see Hall of Presidents once, but it's very unlikely that they'll book a repeat FP.

I think how they manage the alerts will be very interesting. I doubt they would penalize you for past performance though, but they might offer you more early morning opportunities if they see you have a RD history.

I have read somewhere (maybe the OP of this thread) that indicated that if you don't use a FP without canceling, you may be restricted from booking more that day.
I doubt they'll make it so someone is banned from any more FPs in a day because they've already reached a numerical limit. FP has always been controlled by time, and I doubt they'll change that. It's not the "uber user's" fault that a newcomer didn't hop on their phone right at 5:55 when their window opened up. If uber-user's window opens up at 6pm, why should Disney penalize them and not give them access to a Space Mountain FP that just got canceled?

I know, but if the system is going to dole out some extra opportunities day of, and they see for the past bazillion park visits you are usually inside the park at opening, you might get an alert for earlier bonuses (not the planned ones), like preferred seating at an early show or an extra fp or something.

I could even see it happening prior to day of. Suppose your in one park on a Tuesday night, the system anticipates big crowds over at MK the next day and sends an alert offering some special bonus passes for soarin to be used before 10:00 am Wednesday or something to divert some people into Epcot the next day.

Hopefully they'll find more flexible people to offer this to than me. Because of the way Disney is setting this system up, they want to be able to move crowds around to suit THEIR needs. But making people make ADRs 180 days out and ride reservations (probably) 60 days out means that I'm pretty much sticking with the park I have chosen.

I'm very curiuos to see how this unfolds. I still feel like they have taken away what I used to get freely, with little effort, and now want to dole it out in front of me in little bits like a carrot to see if I'll come get it.

Yeah, but if at 60 days you find out that you can't get a FP for one of the headliners for the time you want it (or at all) but you can on a different day that week, you may consider altering your ADRs to accommodate it.

I also don't think they're banking on changing the behaviors of current frequent goers too much, but something like that may be very appealing to someone who has never been before or someone who is planning their trip less than 60 days out.
It may also be possible for guests to input certain information (ie which attractions and dining you want) and Disney spits out a customized itinerary for your dates.

Something else that just occurred to me is a possible on-site resort guest "perk." Just like they have for ADRs, 60+10 bookings for FPs.
Maybe even something like Southwest's Early Bird Check-In option. If you're a resort guest, and have dining reservations linked to your online account, you are "guaranteed" at least one headliner FP for the day you have an ADR.
 
Nice word choice!

Thanks, Glad to see the decades and 100's of thousands of dollars in education has at least some benefit.;)

Can we call the other camp the D-day Preppers? (D for Disney of course, not an irrational fear of the apocalypse):goodvibes


I like that better than "doom and gloomers" actually. Don't get me wrong, if the program, as you assert, allows more than the prescheduled 3 FP+ daily in a single park and isn't limited to 1 e-ticket ride in that park I will jump on pro-FP+ bandwagon as well, even if there are some reasonable limitations. I honestly can't believe that Disney would have it any other way.

Unfortunately the longer they take to dispel the myths the more I fear they are trying to figure out how to spin it so it sounds better than it is. And let's not forget that Disney could easily quell all this anger and "doom and gloom" by simply providing more information. They certainly know about this thread and others, and someone is removing the posts on the official Disney blogs. This worries me because it has the feel of them letting it build to a crescendo then they make changes that aren't quite as bad as we feared, but are still severely limiting. I mean it seems we have learned more about AvatardedLand than we have about FP+. Why so close-mouthed about something that is supposed to be such a wonderful enhancement and is due to be rolled out any week now?
 
I could just as easily respond that your thinking is pollyanna.


I don't believe I (or anyone else, for that matter) has displayed a "pollyanna"-like attitude. Some of us are just willing to take a "wait-and-see" approach. Meanwhile, others seem to think - with absolute certainty - that there is no way that FP+ will not completely ruin their vacation(s).
 
I don't believe I (or anyone else, for that matter) has displayed a "pollyanna"-like attitude. Some of us are just willing to take a "wait-and-see" approach. Meanwhile, others seem to think - with absolute certainty - that there is no way that FP+ will not completely ruin their vacation(s).

I don't believe I (or anyone else, for that matter) has displayed a myopic attitude nor have I read anyone stating "with absolute certainty - that there is no way that FP+ will not completely ruin their vacation(s)". Most posts here are simply refuting assumptions made by some with our own opinions. As to your assertion
I don't believe I (or anyone else, for that matter) has displayed a "pollyanna"-like attitude.
I offer the following into evidence:

~Wow!!! Jtown, this makes me want Fastpass+ even more! :yay: I am so excited, I just can't wait for fastpass+ & I will be happier when regular FP goes away for good! I do feel kind of bad for those who feel FP+ is ruining their Disney vacation -- it's so sad for them but awesome for me! That's too bad, I really do hope they find another vacation spot to love the way I love Disney World! This post is beautifully written, logical, sound, thoughtful & insightful! I don't need to read any further so I'm going to stop here! Thank you so much!!!

~Unsubscribed... :goodvibes

I rest my case.
 
I could be wrong, but I think that post was all sarcasm. At least that's the way I read it. Not always easy to tell on message boards.
 
mcd2745 said:
I could be wrong, but I think that post was all sarcasm. At least that's the way I read it. Not always easy to tell on message boards.

Oh no, it was very serious.
 
LOL.... I know you are, but what am I?

Sad to see what's become of a thread where I was just sharing a conversation with a CM who seemed to be knowledgable.....
 
LOL.... I know you are, but what am I?

Sad to see what's become of a thread where I was just sharing a conversation with a CM who seemed to be knowledgable.....

The information is greatly appreciated! You had to know that any FP+ discussion was going have some back and forth though. The good news is the thread hasn't been locked yet.
 
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