Some FP+ Info

[CuteAsMinnie]

1. Same day FPs are out of the picture, it's just not going to happen there are not enough going around.
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I'll bet you a Mickey Bar you're wrong.

 

[Mad Hattered]

~Wow!!! Jtown, this makes me want Fastpass+ even more! I am so excited, I just can't wait for fastpass+ & I will be happier when regular FP goes away for good! I do feel kind of bad for those who feel FP+ is ruining their Disney vacation -- it's so sad for them but awesome for me! That's too bad, I really do hope they find another vacation spot to love the way I love Disney World! This post is beautifully written, logical, sound, thoughtful & insightful! I don't need to read any further so I'm going to stop here! Thank you so much!!!

~Unsubscribed...

You seriously crack me up.

 

[dadddio]

That doesn't fit with your other statement that they can fold in everybody (or I'll be kind and say HALF of everybody) who now rides Standby.

It's not a mathematical possibility.

If it WAS a possibility, they would simply have done it ALREADY with
the current FP system.

It matters not if the FP's are scheduled 60 days in advance or day-of...
There are only "so many" slots that CAN be scheduled to keep the FastPass line... FAST.

Respectfully, you are incorrect. As long as the number of FPs is less than ride capacity, there cannot be long wait times. No matter how many times that you declare otherwise, the math doesn't support your position.

Increasing FP 'slots' slows the SB line, not the FP line. As long as this increase comes from people who would have been in the SB line, rather than just using the FP line multiple times, then the overall average wait time actually decreases since less people will ride multiple times if they have to wait SB to do so.

 

[Robo]

Respectfully, you are incorrect. As long as the number of FPs is less than ride capacity, there cannot be long wait times. No matter how many times that you declare otherwise, the math doesn't support your position.

Increasing FP 'slots' slows the SB line, not the FP line.

It has to slow down both lines.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I appreciate everyone's points of view on how they think this is going to play out. I'm not a rocket scientist or anything but I am going to go out on a limb and say that Robo, Mesa and many others have more experience at WDW and know how the line situation has evolved. Hell, I have been there 30+ times and have seen a lot change as well.

Daddio, I give you credit and respect for defending your belief (to no end). But others KNOW what it's like out there in the field. If you could, explain specifically how TSM is going to work with this system.

 

[freediverdude]

Thank you Dadddio for sticking to your guns. I think if it works out the way I'm thinking it will, it will prove you correct over time. It will eliminate people being able to ride multiple times quickly, but I think overall decrease wait times. I think as long as people are also able to get some fastpasses the same day, people will end up satisfied with this.

 

[Dragontears]

Really thought I wouldn't chime in, but I am amused enough to comment. Like any other change, we have 14 pages of "What if's?" Most of you would not remember the change from tickets books to one price admission. ("SO unfair! What if I don't ride roller coasters?" "Now everyone can ride E tickets" etc)

Then FP. People didn't understand it. I can positively state that this is still true for a great many park visitors. Used effectively it is wonderful. Planning your life around it is a headache.

Now FP+. We don't know how it will wind up. The RFID is changeable, so I suspect there will be a great many tweaks from the "official" roll out to what we will be complaining or cheering about in 1 year.

Veterans in the park rarely need more than 4 FP a day; it will take a while to get used to the new flow.

I just hope that they will have worked out SOME of the bugs before our upcoming visit.

We only go about every three years, so it would be nice.

 

[Rosanne]

Thank you Dadddio for sticking to your guns.

One of the more interesting statements I've read...

 

[Dragontears]

I tend to agree with that and I think it's the big flaw in the assumptions all the "doom and gloom" posters are making. Many have said that the SB lines will become much much longer becuase of all the additional people who will have FPs. But if everyone will be using FPs for attractions, then there will be far less SB riders overall.

Your assumption that "everyone will be using FPs " is flawed.

I don't know about you, but after paying the price of a ticket, I plan on riding more than 3-4 rides a day. After using your 3-4 FP+s...ALL rides will be stand by or nothing.

Even if they let you get more after arriving in the park (which is not clear) the odds that you will have a FP for EVERY ride are small.

 

[bcrook]

Thank you Dadddio for sticking to your guns.

One of the more interesting statements I've read...

Interesting is right! Wow! I am also

 

[Dragontears]

Well put. The fact is that more people want to ride the E-ticket rides than their capacity can handle without people (sometimes lots of people) having to wait. That won't change.

Right now, those who are willing to make the moves necessary (arrive before opening, have a touring plan, use FP wisely) can basically avoid SB and therefore avoid those lines, and still do everything they want to do.

With the new system, the logical conclusion is that such touring will no longer be possible. FP will be more severely limited, FP lines will be longer, and SB lines will be interminable. They've basically ensured that everyone will have to wait in lines throughout the day. They've taken away the true advantage of FP.

(Unless, as one strangely insistent PP proposes: an enormous number of FP+ for E-tickets are available beforehand and also the day of visit, the FP+ are distributed in perfect ratios and allow for reasonable SB capacity, FP users return to ride in perfectly spaced five-minute groups with no exceptions, the ride never breaks down or has to stop to allow a disabled guest to board, etc. etc. etc. Which will probably happen.)

 

[WillAustin]

Your assumption that "everyone will be using FPs " is flawed.

I'll honestly be shocked if they end up with more than 50% of guests using FP+ advance reservations. I'm not sure the social engineering element of it is going to work like some think it will.

 

[mikegood2]

I'll honestly be shocked if they end up with more than 50% of guests using FP+ advance reservations. I'm not sure the social engineering element of it is going to work like some think it will.

Agree! Similar to what I had on my post on the previous page. It also depends how strongly Disney pushes people to use FP+.

How well is this system going to work? Who knows, but Likely not as bad as some on this thread think and not as great as some others think. What this system will allow Disney to do is make changes more easily.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I'll honestly be shocked if they end up with more than 50% of guests using FP+ advance reservations. I'm not sure the social engineering element of it is going to work like some think it will.

Agree! Similar to what I had on my post on the previous page. It also depends how strongly Disney pushes people to use FP+.

And I still say there is nice size percentage of people that Disney will have no contact with until they walk up to buy their ticket the first day they plan to enter the park. How will FP+ make their vacation better? There must be thousands of folks every day going to the parks that are not staying on-site and never even open the disney web page.

 

[gwmort]

And I still say there is nice size percentage of people that Disney will have no contact with until they walk up to buy their ticket the first day they plan to enter the park. How will FP+ make their vacation better? There must be thousands of folks every day going to the parks that are not staying on-site and never even open the disney web page.

They will have the pre-selected Disney recommended combo pack of fp+'s already built in, just watch.

 

[freediverdude]

And I still say there is nice size percentage of people that Disney will have no contact with until they walk up to buy their ticket the first day they plan to enter the park. How will FP+ make their vacation better? There must be thousands of folks every day going to the parks that are not staying on-site and never even open the disney web page.

Well there has to be the same day fastpass element for those people. Some would have to be given out in advance, and some same day. But true, Disney is going to have to roll out some instructional advertising everywhere, including at the parks, to make it clear that this would be the primary way to see the attractions.

 

[Mad Hattered]

They will have the pre-selected Disney recommended combo pack of fp+'s already built in, just watch.

Which will bring back awesome feelings from the 70's when my Dad tried to explain that we only had 2 E-tickets in our booklet and we used them on Space Mountain and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. He tried to play it off like 3 C-ticket rides would make up for it. Even at 8 years old I knew I didn't like that idea, let alone now.

 

[mcd2745]

Your assumption that "everyone will be using FPs " is flawed.

I don't know about you, but after paying the price of a ticket, I plan on riding more than 3-4 rides a day. After using your 3-4 FP+s...ALL rides will be stand by or nothing.

Even if they let you get more after arriving in the park (which is not clear) the odds that you will have a FP for EVERY ride are small.

I'd say odds are zero. But, I don't think anyone ever expected a FP for EVERY ride. Who does FP for EVERY ride currently? No one, that's who. It's impossible.

Currently, if you obtain a FP for something with a return time in 3 hours, do you not ride anything stand by in between? Are there really some of you who only do an attraction if you have a FP for it? That leaves an awful lot of down time in between. Maybe you all should have spent more $$$ during all that down time and then Disney wouldn't have bothered with NextGen.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

I'd say odds are zero. But, I don't think anyone ever expected a FP for EVERY ride. Who does FP for EVERY ride currently? No one, that's who. It's impossible.

Currently, if you obtain a FP for something with a return time in 3 hours, do you not ride anything stand by in between? Are there really some of you who only do an attraction if you have a FP for it? That leaves an awful lot of down time in between. Maybe you all should have spent more $$$ during all that down time and then Disney wouldn't have bothered with( NextGen.

This actually illustrates the problem. While having a FP for SM, I rode snow white and HM. Both had minimal waits.

In effect, I was in 2 lines at once (I was in line for SM the whole time).

But, with more FPs available per hour (from increasing both the number of FP/ride and the number of rides that have FP), there will be more people in numerous lines at once. Hence, SB lines will be longer (assuming they keep FP lines short by keeping FP distribution under capacity and give FP lines full priority over SB).

So, with FP, while waiting for my SM FP, I was able to ride both Snow White and HM.

But, with FP+, and the resulting longer lines, I'll only be able to ride Snow White SB while waiting for SM.

The mix of FP rides and non-FP rides is what allowed FP to work so well.

(Yes, I know Snow White isn't there anymore; just a small tribute to a ride I miss)

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

They will have the pre-selected Disney recommended combo pack of fp+'s already built in, just watch.

So if they purchase a 4 day ticket, will Disney assign that family a combo pack for the next 4 days?
What if they plan to tour one day at Disney and the next at Sea World?
Will Disney be deciding which park they should go to for each day?
We have to assume they wouldn't have the app so how much time are they going to lose trying to figure that out or spending time at a kiosk trying to figure out what Disney has done for them?
Or will there be a print out they will get from the ticket window when the buy the tickets?
How well of fit will that combo pack be for that family? When dad walks up to buy the tickets, Disney will have no way of knowing if the child's ticket he is purchasing is for a 3 year old or a 9 year old, a girl or a boy. Again, how much time will be spent trying to get this info from the family to assign them a combo pack and will they like having to spend the extra time?
How long will they hold these combo pack FP+'s to see if they are going to use them?
So do we now assume they will be holding FP+ for the day of?
How will us planners like when we are unable to get a FP+ for Soarin' 30 days out (cuz you got busy and didn't make them at 60 days) because they are all gone and families that walk up and buy tickets the day of get some in their combo pack because Disney has saved some for those families?

I can see where some families like this will not like this either. It may not just us planner/super users/ rope dropers, that may have some problems with the new system. You have to admit they could walk away thinking it sure was alot of trouble to visit Disney World or if they forgo the whole system, walk away thinking they were unable to get much done because the ended up only using the SB line.

So does anyone have any idea what the percentage of visiters are people that stay off-site?