So what should happens to cadets in uniform

[wilbret]

Can we close this thread? This was not racism. The okay sign is not racist. The circle game is not racist.
Please don't buy into every thing you are told without looking further into it. This has got to stop.

If I arbitrarily tell you that thumb's up is racist, because it harkens to the fist in the air (and by the way, google black power west point), does that really make it racist?

PEOPLE. It's OKAY. I promise. It's really, OK.

 

[Searc]

Can we close this thread? This was not racism. The okay sign is not racist. The circle game is not racist.
Please don't buy into every thing you are told without looking further into it. This has got to stop.

If I arbitrarily tell you that thumb's up is racist, because it harkens to the fist in the air (and by the way, google black power west point), does that really make it racist?

PEOPLE. It's OKAY. I promise. It's really, OK.

If you don't want to discuss it anymore, then don't. Scroll on by.

 

[sam_gordon]

Just to be clear, the ADF site shows the hand signal in both up and down. Scroll to the bottom of the page. https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture

Thanks, I didn't scroll down that far. The picture they show is from the Christchurch shooter in court.

I think if someone holds an OK sign upside down or sideways and says it stands for "White Power", they're freakin' more idiotic.

 

[brockash]

How my post affects someone on the Dis is not my problem. But by all means keep getting worked up.

Do you get it now? I don't care how that particular poster felt about my post. Does that finally make sense to you?

Right, but then you reacted to a different poster like they're supposed to care how you felt about their post...do you get it now?
Look, I'm not trying to be difficult, but you made a pretty ignorant and offensive comment and then instead of taking accountability for it; seemed to keep posting with the pure intention of being offensive. If you truly had decent intentions, just take a minute to step back and take a look at your posts...if your posts on the other hand are true to your intentions, then please stop wasting our time.

 

[Hikergirl]

Repeating myself.

Nobody is defending racist behavior. We are defending finding out the truth behind what was done, so that punishment may be applied fairly and appropriately.
I know I know that doesn't fit your narrative though.

 

[Searc]

Nobody is defending racist behavior. We are defending finding out the truth behind what was done, so that punishment may be applied fairly and appropriately.
I know I know that doesn't fit your narrative though.

Can we close this thread? This was not racism. The okay sign is not racist. The circle game is not racist.
Please don't buy into every thing you are told without looking further into it. This has got to stop.

If I arbitrarily tell you that thumb's up is racist, because it harkens to the fist in the air (and by the way, google black power west point), does that really make it racist?

PEOPLE. It's OKAY. I promise. It's really, OK.

My narrative? LOL And yeah, if you claim no one is defending racist behavior, we're obviously reading two different threads.

 

[pahoben]

My narrative? LOL And yeah, if you claim no one is defending racist behavior, we're obviously reading two different threads.

If someone here made racist remarks you should report them to the mods or the ADL even for their judgement. The only ones making judgement based on race are the ones that are convinced these cadet(s) are racist.

 

[dominiondad]

I agree with your "camp" theory. I don't understand the "time to close the thread" comment though. If you don't want to participate, don't. If you think someone has broken Dis guidelines, report them.

I was just concerned it was starting to get personal. But point taken. Thanks

 

[NYCgrrl]

If someone here made racist remarks you should report them to the mods or the ADL even m for their judgement. The only ones making judgement based on race are the ones that are convinced these cadet(s) are racist.

Excuse yourself but earlier in this thread you defended racism as long as the culprit also was intelligent.

And the smile was a smirk because the lips were not true to horizontal? I have used this my entire life for “Okayut now i need to make sure my fingers aren't too horizontal?

Let’s assume this cadet is virulently racist but has some semblance of reason to have a slot in an academy. You then propose that he did this reasonably knowing that only dire consequences could result. Otherwise you must propose that ala Charles Manson he hought flashing this sign would start a race war (Helter Skelter).

The basis of this is just some people resolutely searching for grievances wherever they may be found.

I did ask for clarification of what certain aspects of the post meant but most if not all of your later responses dealt with witch hunts, DIS fanaticism, and a thinly veiled request for a Presidential pardon, LOL.

 

[PaulaSB12]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...y-alt-right-4chan-trolling-hoax-a9249846.html
It started in early 2017 as a hoax. Anonymous users of 4chan, an anonymous and unrestricted online message board, began what they called “Operation O-KKK,” to see if they could trick the wider world — and especially, liberals and the mainstream media — into believing that the innocuous gesture was actually a clandestine symbol of white power.

“We must flood Twitter and other social media websites with spam, claiming that the OK hand signal is a symbol of white supremacy,” one of the users posted, going on to suggest that everyone involved create fake social media accounts “with basic white girl names” to propagate the notion as widely as possible.

The 4chan hoax succeeded all too well and ceased being a hoax: Neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen and other white nationalists began using the gesture in public to signal their presence and to spot potential sympathisers and recruits. For them, the letters formed by the hand were not O and K, but W and P, for “white power”.


this started as a stupid hoax perpetuated by an even more stupid press. Then taken on ny a very few white supremiststs why keep giving morons this power let’s take the sign back and use it for what it’s always been

 

[pahoben]

To:NYCGrrl (sorry i must not have hit Reply)
1) if that is your reading then please report me for racist remarks and receive an independent reasonable third party opinion from the mods or the ADL
2) the point was that a common sense interpretation was that he was doing a circle game sign. No reasonable cadet that wanted to retain standing would make a racist gesture or comment on TV. He didnt stand up and announce that he hated certain races. He made a very common gesture that is often used by young people as a joke in connection with the circle game. That would be a common sense interpretation. Lets see if in fact he does have a racist background but I would be willing to wager based on my common sense interpretation that he doesn't.

 

[wilbret]

1) if that is your reading then please report me for racist remarks and receive an independent reasonable third party opinion from the mods or the ADL
2) the point was that a common sense interpretation was that he was doing a circle game sign. No reasonable cadet that wanted to retain standing would make a racist gesture or comment on TV. He didnt stand up and announce that he hated certain races. He made a very common gesture that is often used by young people as a joke in connection with the circle game. That would be a common sense interpretation. Lets see if in fact he does have a racist background but I would be willing to wager based on my common sense interpretation that he doesn't.

...common sense is far too uncommon. We must all jump to the extreme. This may be the most ridiculous thread I’ve ever seen here.

Mickey Mouse is racist. White gloves, blackface? Sound familiar? People, for some reason, love to make a big deal out of nothing, and in the process...create something.

Remember the gas shortages in 2008? There really wasn’t a shortage, but people heard there would be... so everyone rushed to fill up their tanks. And their cans. And whatever they could. And thus, stores ran out.

I remember a time when common sense WAS common. It was an okay time.

 

[LSUmiss]

...common sense is far too uncommon. We must all jump to the extreme. This may be the most ridiculous thread I’ve ever seen here.

Mickey Mouse is racist. White gloves, blackface? Sound familiar? People, for some reason, love to make a big deal out of nothing, and in the process...create something.

Remember the gas shortages in 2008? There really wasn’t a shortage, but people heard there would be... so everyone rushed to fill up their tanks. And their cans. And whatever they could. And thus, stores ran out.

I remember a time when common sense WAS common. It was an okay time.

There is also the other sids of things where ppl will find ways to deny blatant racism. There is PLENTY of real racism still out there. It’s not all a myth created by the internet & the media.

 

[NYCgrrl]

1) if that is your reading then please report me for racist remarks and receive an independent reasonable third party opinion from the mods or the ADL
2) the point was that a common sense interpretation was that he was doing a circle game sign. No reasonable cadet that wanted to retain standing would make a racist gesture or comment on TV. He didnt stand up and announce that he hated certain races. He made a very common gesture that is often used by young people as a joke in connection with the circle game. That would be a common sense interpretation. Lets see if in fact he does have a racist background but I would be willing to wager based on my common sense interpretation that he doesn't.

1) My interpretation is based on your writings. If you felt my understanding was misunderstood there was plenty of time to correct it. Why would I feel the need to report your post? These are your truest feelings and with the exception of your oblique request for a pardon from a higher authority w/o politics or religious content. You didn't personally attack anyone either. It's a in my life. I assume your request that others contact the ADL is facetious and I'm taking it as such with the humor intended.

2) I've no true idea what his intent was and as I've stated in the past am fine with an investigation. You on the other hand jumped past a call for fairness and unambigously opted for a pardon if in fact racism was his intent. Must say I found that odd however its America where you are free to proclaim your allegiances or just be an apologist for others.

 

[wilbret]

There is also the other sids of things where ppl will find ways to deny blatant racism. There is PLENTY of real racism still out there. It’s not all a myth created by the internet & the media.

You are right, there is PLENTY of real racism out there. The PROBLEM is that in the "everything is racist" world we live in, it's like the car alarm that goes off and everyone ignores it. A rush to judgment is often in error. (Jussie says hello) People are exhausted by this, and if something REAL happens, it gets overlooked or looked at with speculation.

This is a case where it's clearly a game. They were on camera. They were being silly. They are kids, even though everyone wants to think of them as mature, seasoned soldiers or something. We have kids that play this game in elementary school. It's a freaking game.

 

[pahoben]

1) My interpretation is based on your writings. If you felt my understanding was misunderstood there was plenty of time to correct it. Why would I feel the need to report your post? These are your truest feelings and with the exception of your oblique request for a pardon from a higher authority w/o politics or religious content. You didn't personally attack anyone either. It's a in my life. I assume your request that others contact the ADL is facetious and I'm taking it as such with the humor intended.

2) I've no true idea what his intent was and as I've stated in the past am fine with an investigation. You on the other hand jumped past a call for fairness and unambigously opted for a pardon if in fact racism was his intent. Must say I found that odd however its America where you are free to proclaim your allegiances or just be an apologist for others.

Please a little fairness here. I never suggested that racism was his intent because as i stated above I doubt that any reasonable cadet that wanted to maintain standing would make a racist gesture or comment on national TV.

I am not being facetious about ADL. More than one person has posted here the ADL guidelines that racist intent cannot be inferred just from this gesture. I believe ADL would have more reasonable standards about what has been posted here than those suggesting racist posts.

 

[sk!mom]

Interesting. It seems you feel that somebody else is interpreting your communication in a way you didn't intend and you don't like it. Perhaps the cadets feel the same way.

Are you serious?? You seem to be suggesting that we should feel some sort of empathy for the cadets being misinterpreted. Wow!

At best, they were acting like idiots on TV while in uniform. At worst, they are openly racist. Either way, I do not have an empathy or sympathy for them. They should be well aware of the requirement to honor the uniform at all times.

I’m amazed by the number of apologists that try to defend racist actions every time one of these threads pop up.

 

[mrodgers]

Your variety of concerns might be better discussed on a spin off thread.

Not much relevant to military academy cadets who seemed to "forget" they were on camera and wearing their uniforms. There are basic standards of behavior in uniform. Maybe they were reliving their middle school years. Maybe something else. I trust the investigation to figure out the issue or issues and come up with a solution.

The thread started clearly about white supremacy because the exact words in the opening post is "white supremasist sign" How is stating that this is not white supremacist but is a childhood game that continues today with children and adults and expanding on how racism and hate coming from those that are constantly decrying racism and hate is destroying our country not related?

OK, I give up. The cadets were clearly racist and their lives should be completely destroyed because of that racism and it has nothing to do with a game of which I do agree, would have repercussions to the disrespect of the uniform not acting in a respectful manor. I hope they get the death penalty. That should make everyone happy. Fry them, dang racists!

 

[mrodgers]

And now because my name is a different spelled version of a famous amazing man that did wonders for children's programming, I should be a clone of him? I'm sorry, I am not Fred Rogers. Call the police. Wow.

I suppose I am racist now because my last name is very similar to someone who worked with children and I don't? I don't know what to think any more.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Please a little fairness here. I never suggested that racism was his intent because as i stated above I doubt that any reasonable cadet that wanted to maintain standing would make a racist gesture or comment on national TV.

I am not being facetious about ADL. More than one person has posted here the ADL guidelines that racist intent cannot be inferred just from this gesture. I believe ADL would have more reasonable standards about what has been posted here than those suggesting racist posts.

I went back and read a link to the ADL site that a poster linked. The definition and history given seemed quite objective and sensible. Not sure why you would include them in a sentence So why would you need to suggest they should be contacted regarding this thread or the game incident since their stance is clearly stated?

You posited a hypothetical situation where someone was a known racist who when outed should be allowed to stay at the school due to their "intelligence". To me this is not fair and an instance of a rule for one and a different one for others.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure where you stand. Non judging by those not in authority or if those in authority make a decision not in keeping with your own pre-judgment it should go further up the chain to the Executive Branch?