So disgusted, just heard Sean Goldman's Brazilian relatives plan to pursue more

[ols386]

I don't know if karma is real or not, but I find it ironic that the mother died while giving birth to her next child. Not saying she deserved it, I"m saying its cosmically strange.

I've thought about that too!

Actually grandparents do have some legal rights in many US states - some are able to gain custody of a child from an unfit parent

But that's not the case here. I don't think David Goldman has anything to worry about from that standpoint.

 

[Darcy03231]

The family has no legal avenue to pursue. there is no such thing as grandparents rights, and I can't imagine any US court would allow the child's kidnappers to have anything to do with the kid. While I bet David won't forbid visitation, for Sean's sake, he would be wise to allow it only under complete supervision....and not for a good long while.

Actually, in many states there is. I work in the legal field in family law and our state recognizes grandparents' rights.

 

[ols386]

Actually, in many states there is. I work in the legal field in family law and our state recognizes grandparents' rights.

But do these Brazilian grandparents have any rights here in the US? I sure hope not.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

The Brazillian family is fighting to have Sean's wishes heard by the Supreme Court. They know that they have zero legal standing and are hoping that if Sean states he would rather be in Brazil, that the courts will just say "sure". Not very likely.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Actually, in many states there is. I work in the legal field in family law and our state recognizes grandparents' rights.

Thus far, I Can only find legislations that supports the "grandmother's" right to visitation as well has Sean's siblings in the state of New Jersey.

And David can hold that up in court to the point of psychological evaluation of Sean if he were to make a stink about it--which it seemed he initially agreed not to do.


They can sue for custody, but their emotions will not succeed in court.

The child is 9 and has been brainwashed for 4 years by grown adults who are very biased in accepting his own mother's lawbreaking activity.

9 is far too young to have a non-influenced opinion on a circumstance such as this.

 

[tnkr_bell]

Well I say let Sean live with his Dad for five years, then he can make up his mind where he wants to live.

 

[m&m's mom]

I read that there would be supervised visits only and a block was being put on Sean's passport.
I guess we were wrong when we thought David Goldman might be Jewish. His neighbors decorated his whole house for Christmas as a surprise when they came home.
I would think the former stepdad would have his hands full taking care of the baby the Mom died after giving birth to. I mean the "Brazillian" family still has that baby to raise. David had no one (no that that matters, but I always thought it was so sad). I would be surprised if David kept him away from his little sister 100%.

 

[luvmy3]

On Christmas morning, I believe at like 6:30 am he was taken to his father at the US Consolate in Brazil. The family said they would not pursue anything, but I heard that David will not keep him from them so idk why they are dredging this all back up.

Because it has become a media spectacle and these people want their 15 minutes to never end. At least thats what I think

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

On Christmas morning, I believe at like 6:30 am he was taken to his father at the US Consolate in Brazil. The family said they would not pursue anything, but I heard that David will not keep him from them so idk why they are dredging this all back up.

Christmas Eve morning.

Here's a link to the MSNBC article posted above, in case anyone wants to see the pictures/videos.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34620969/ns/world_news-americas/

I don't think the Brazilian "family" (and I use that term loosely) has a chance of winning any fight for Sean, but it's pretty disturbing that they're trying, and nothing would surprise me when it comes to this case.

 

[mickeylove2]

Christmas Eve morning.

Here's a link to the MSNBC article posted above, in case anyone wants to see the pictures/videos.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34620969/ns/world_news-americas/

I don't think the Brazilian "family" (and I use that term loosely) has a chance of winning any fight for Sean, but it's pretty disturbing that they're trying, and nothing would surprise me when it comes to this case.

That's what I meant my days have all run together...I knew it was Thursday morning. Oops!

I feel badly for that child, he has been paraded in from of the press in hopes that the courts will look at this case based on emotion...that's highly unlikely though. I have no doubt that the courts will rule in favor of the father.

Anyway, at 9, the courts will not take his wishes with such high regard, they certainly can take in into consideration but will not base a ruling solely on what this 9 year old wants. Trust me, my 6 & 8 year olds DO NOT want to go with their father on the scheduled visitation days that he has, and they have been in the judges chambers and told him that, of course I was told that I would be violating a court order if I didn't force them to go. They say that usually at 14 or so is when the child can make the decision and the judge will go with that. Not all the time of course but that's just a standard I guess.

Nothing about this case is normal, or usual so I hope everything works out in the best interest of Sean and his father, with of course the extended family living the part of the extended family and no more.

 

[Jennasis]

a grandparent can petition for visitation so long as such visitation would be in the best interests of the child. This type of statute was enacted in Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Kentucky, Montana, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin.

Taken from: http://library.findlaw.com/2000/Feb/1/129295.html

Seems about the best the Brazillians could due is sue for visitation IF David tried to block them, which he has said he would not do. So what exactly would those morons be after? Even if Sean testified that he wished to go back to Brazil, he is in the USA now and I seriously doubt that testimony would carry any weight, nor would the US government require Goldman to hand over his son.

Just my opinion.

 

[sparklynails23]

It seems like a happy ending, but something about David Goldman really bothers me. I can't put my finger on it, but he seems like a mannequin or a bad actor, like he's starring in this made for TV movie about himself.

 

[1957]

Does anyone remember the highly-publicized case of Elian Gonzales? His mother "abducted" him from Cuba and was drowned, along with many others, during an attempt to reach the US from Cuba on an overcrowded and unsafe boat. (I'm calling on my memory, here). Elian was rescued and claimed by the extended Cuban-American family of the mother. They showered him with love and provided him with amenities he'd never known. He seemed to be very happy! Then came the legal quest from Elian's Cuban biological father to get him back. This went on for months and months and months. Whatever court ruled that Elian should be given back to his biological father. Most Americans - including myself - were outraged that this boy should have to leave a family that loved him and provided so well for him! The scenes of this boy being torn from the arms of this loving family by authorities were repeated by the worldwide media for days. It really broke our hearts! What I'm saying is that these are two very similar cases, but the loyalties depend on the country. We didn't want Elian Gonzales to be re-united with his biological father, but we were all about Sean Goldman being re-united with his biological father! The "separation" scenes in both cases were media events. We cried and expressed sympathy for Elian's American family when this happened, but we immediately blamed Sean's Brazilian family for doing exactly the same thing! I'm just saying. I'm an American and love my country, but these two cases are very similar, with predictable countries' loyalties being expressed. I'm sure that most Brazilians had sympathy for Sean's Brazilian family, just as most Americans had sympathy for Elian's American family. We've have no formal relations with Cuba since 1962, and it is long overdue! We've had problems with Brazil's visa requirements, and we reciprocate in kind. We're still playing a "nanny nanny boo boo" game with both of these countries. I'm just saying.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Does anyone remember the highly-publicized case of Elian Gonzales? His mother "abducted" him from Cuba and was drowned, along with many others, during an attempt to reach the US from Cuba on an overcrowded and unsafe boat. (I'm calling on my memory, here). Elian was rescued and claimed by the extended Cuban-American family of the mother. They showered him with love and provided him with amenities he'd never known. He seemed to be very happy! Then came the legal quest from Elian's Cuban biological father to get him back. This went on for months and months and months. Whatever court ruled that Elian should be given back to his biological father. Most Americans - including myself - were outraged that this boy should have to leave a family that loved him and provided so well for him! The scenes of this boy being torn from the arms of this loving family by authorities were repeated by the worldwide media for days. It really broke our hearts! What I'm saying is that these are two very similar cases, but the loyalties depend on the country. We didn't want Elian Gonzales to be re-united with his biological father, but we were all about Sean Goldman being re-united with his biological father! The "separation" scenes in both cases were media events. We cried and expressed sympathy for Elian's American family when this happened, but we immediately blamed Sean's Brazilian family for doing exactly the same thing! I'm just saying. I'm an American and love my country, but these two cases are very similar, with predictable countries' loyalties being expressed. I'm sure that most Brazilians had sympathy for Sean's Brazilian family, just as most Americans had sympathy for Elian's American family. We've have no formal relations with Cuba since 1962, and it is long overdue! We've had problems with Brazil's visa requirements, and we reciprocate in kind. We're still playing a "nanny nanny boo boo" game with both of these countries. I'm just saying.

While my heart breaks that he had to go back to a communist country, there were many--including myself, who felt it was the right legal call.

I had sympathy for the Father and felt the actions of his American family to e quite obnoxious and an attempt to build their case that he likes it here.

I believe there were someone who posted on here last week--that not all Brazilians were rooting for Sean's Brazilian family.

In both cases, the mother died and the father was rightfully given back full custody.

In the case of the United States, I applaud the fact that they did not let it drag out for years. And I didn't shed one tear for Elian's family b/c I felt them turning it into a public spectacle were atrocious.

 

[Mermaid02]

Does anyone remember the highly-publicized case of Elian Gonzales? His mother "abducted" him from Cuba and was drowned, along with many others, during an attempt to reach the US from Cuba on an overcrowded and unsafe boat. (I'm calling on my memory, here). Elian was rescued and claimed by the extended Cuban-American family of the mother. They showered him with love and provided him with amenities he'd never known. He seemed to be very happy! Then came the legal quest from Elian's Cuban biological father to get him back. This went on for months and months and months. Whatever court ruled that Elian should be given back to his biological father. Most Americans - including myself - were outraged that this boy should have to leave a family that loved him and provided so well for him! The scenes of this boy being torn from the arms of this loving family by authorities were repeated by the worldwide media for days. It really broke our hearts! What I'm saying is that these are two very similar cases, but the loyalties depend on the country. We didn't want Elian Gonzales to be re-united with his biological father, but we were all about Sean Goldman being re-united with his biological father! The "separation" scenes in both cases were media events. We cried and expressed sympathy for Elian's American family when this happened, but we immediately blamed Sean's Brazilian family for doing exactly the same thing! I'm just saying. I'm an American and love my country, but these two cases are very similar, with predictable countries' loyalties being expressed. I'm sure that most Brazilians had sympathy for Sean's Brazilian family, just as most Americans had sympathy for Elian's American family. We've have no formal relations with Cuba since 1962, and it is long overdue! We've had problems with Brazil's visa requirements, and we reciprocate in kind. We're still playing a "nanny nanny boo boo" game with both of these countries. I'm just saying.

If I remember correctly Elian's case was being used by Castro as propaganda- he had his nasty hands all over that case.... parading Dad in front of cameras etc. I believe there was even evidence of Dad being promised money etc for his cooperation.

 

[1957]

If I remember correctly Elian's case was being used by Castro as propaganda- he had his nasty hands all over that case.... parading Dad in front of cameras etc. I believe there was even evidence of Dad being promised money etc for his cooperation.

And Sean's Dad has been in front of US cameras for a very long time. His appearances on talk shows and cable channels most certainly garnered some income for him!. Someone paid for the private jet that flew him and Sean from Rio to Orlando! Hey - I'm very glad that David and Sean are finally re-united! It's about time! It's really a two-way street here, though.

 

[CapeMayMommy]

Does anyone remember the highly-publicized case of Elian Gonzales? His mother "abducted" him from Cuba and was drowned, along with many others, during an attempt to reach the US from Cuba on an overcrowded and unsafe boat. (I'm calling on my memory, here). Elian was rescued and claimed by the extended Cuban-American family of the mother. They showered him with love and provided him with amenities he'd never known. He seemed to be very happy! Then came the legal quest from Elian's Cuban biological father to get him back. This went on for months and months and months. Whatever court ruled that Elian should be given back to his biological father. Most Americans - including myself - were outraged that this boy should have to leave a family that loved him and provided so well for him! The scenes of this boy being torn from the arms of this loving family by authorities were repeated by the worldwide media for days. It really broke our hearts! What I'm saying is that these are two very similar cases, but the loyalties depend on the country. We didn't want Elian Gonzales to be re-united with his biological father, but we were all about Sean Goldman being re-united with his biological father! The "separation" scenes in both cases were media events. We cried and expressed sympathy for Elian's American family when this happened, but we immediately blamed Sean's Brazilian family for doing exactly the same thing! I'm just saying. I'm an American and love my country, but these two cases are very similar, with predictable countries' loyalties being expressed. I'm sure that most Brazilians had sympathy for Sean's Brazilian family, just as most Americans had sympathy for Elian's American family. We've have no formal relations with Cuba since 1962, and it is long overdue! We've had problems with Brazil's visa requirements, and we reciprocate in kind. We're still playing a "nanny nanny boo boo" game with both of these countries. I'm just saying.

I and many other Americans never believed that Elian Gonzolez should have been kept away from his father. There was no reason to deny his father custody.

A parent's love is more important than trips to Disney World. (and I will go on the record saying this on the Dis boards.)

The cases that actually bother me are the cases that involve strict middle eastern countries and custody. Mothers have no rights to anything---father's have all the rights. Yet, the United States will honor these countries laws and return the children back to their father knowing that the mother will never see them again. Heartbreaking.

 

[1957]

While my heart breaks that he had to go back to a communist country, there were many--including myself, who felt it was the right legal call.

I had sympathy for the Father and felt the actions of his American family to e quite obnoxious and an attempt to build their case that he likes it here.

I believe there were someone who posted on here last week--that not all Brazilians were rooting for Sean's Brazilian family.

In both cases, the mother died and the father was rightfully given back full custody.

In the case of the United States, I applaud the fact that they did not let it drag out for years. And I didn't shed one tear for Elian's family b/c I felt them turning it into a public spectacle were atrocious.

Agreed! I, however, did fall under the "spell" at the time of Elian. Good points, Lisa! Thanks.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Seems about the best the Brazillians could due is sue for visitation IF David tried to block them, which he has said he would not do. So what exactly would those morons be after? Even if Sean testified that he wished to go back to Brazil, he is in the USA now and I seriously doubt that testimony would carry any weight, nor would the US government require Goldman to hand over his son.

Just my opinion.

And a good opinion it is!

I and many other Americans never believed that Elian Gonzolez should have been kept away from his father. There was no reason to deny his father custody.

A parent's love is more important than trips to Disney World. (and I will go on the record saying this on the Dis boards.)

I agree. I NEVER felt that Elian should stay here...I always felt that he belonged with his father, as many others did. So what if his life here was "better" (and "better" is truly subjective)? I guarantee you there are parents out there who are "better" parents that DH and me, living in a "better" home, with more money, and more opportunities. There was no reason whatsoever to keep Elian from his father. It's not up to us as a country to go plucking kids from their parents' homes, or keeping them from being with their parents, because we think our way is the "better" way.

 

[CapeMayMommy]

And a good opinion it is! I agree. I NEVER felt that Elian should stay here...I always felt that he belonged with his father, as many others did. So what if his life here was "better" (and "better" is truly subjective)? I guarantee you there are parents out there who are "better" parents that DH and me, living in a "better" home, with more money, and more opportunities. There was no reason whatsoever to keep Elian from his father. It's not up to us as a country to go plucking kids from their parents' homes, or keeping them from being with their parents, because we think our way is the "better" way.

yes... it did bring up many issues.

"If I am rich, can provide your child with a lavish lifestyle, designer clothing, and a Harvard education, should I be allowed to get custody of your child if you are poor or middle class?"

Most of us would say "of course not"... and we'd be right.