Smoking in DVC Unit

[Rence]

What may seem easy for some to label as 'behavior' related is, for others an uncontrollable condition of life. Can we really mandate this?

Not sure of your point. Smoking is a behavior and not an uncontrollable condition of life.

 

[sajetto]

Non-smoking rooms should be something they could GUARANTEE!

Amen! I have asthma and my DF is allergic. We make a pitful pair around the smallest hint of cigarette smoke

 

[DVCconvert]

Smoking is a behavior and not an uncontrollable condition of life.

Many health professionals would not so readily agree. The combination of psychological and pharmacological addiction is a very uncontrollabe condition for many who suffer from it.

 

[browniemtb]

Many health professionals would not so readily agree. The combination of psychological and pharmacological addiction is a very uncontrollabe condition for many who suffer from it.

I would agree with this statement to a point. As human beings we tend to know the difference between right and wrong, good and bad (some of us anyway). Ask any smoker whether its a good habit or bad......all smokers know they are hurting themselves so it leans more towards a behavior issue.....and if they really care about themselves and other around them they would try to quit on their own or medically. Also at $5+ a pack...the savings would pay for dues or an add on!

 

[Rence]

Many health professionals would not so readily agree. The combination of psychological and pharmacological addiction is a very uncontrollabe condition for many who suffer from it.

This is the best arguement I have ever heard for the outright banning of all tobbaco products. The smokers elected to start smoking. I am 50, anyone my age or younger certainly knew about the health effects and the addictive nature of tobbaco, so they elected to voluntarily submit themselves to this condition.

The condition is completely reversible, there are lots and lots of new methods to assist with quitting smoking, many smokers elect not to take advantage of them. I have known many people who have smoked for decades who finally decided to kick the habit. They went out, researched what methods were out their to help them quit, chose the one that worked for them and had great success.

Thread after thread on here has had smokers repeatedly claiming that it is their "Choice" to smoke and that the chose not to quit.

If smoking is a totally uncontrollable act over which the smoker has surrendered all control, then smoking should be outright banned. I find it hard to make a case to continue to have a substance that takes over a persons life and has the harmful health effects that smoking has remain legal. The choice arguement I would buy, a smoker may choose to smoke, but if you are saying that the smoker has no choice, then perhaps we do need to step in.

 

[OKraysLoveDisney]

My hubby has asthma and I have a heart problem, so being around cigarette smoke is a big problem for us. To the person who posted you can put in a request for a non-smoking room due to a medical condition - THANKS FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART as I didn't realize that meant you were pretty much assured of a TRUE non-smoking room.

 

[DVCconvert]

I find it hard to make a case to continue to have a substance that takes over a persons life and has the harmful health effects that smoking has remain legal.

You may find that a hard case to make. However, sucessfull cases are made everyday in this life by humans (who are not perfect) that maynot be the ideal or situation desired by some. For example;

everyday the cars we drive, the power plants that provide us energy are pumping millions of pounds of particulate matter and pollutants in to our atmosphere, causing all sorts of human ailments and quite proably disrupting global weather patterns;

food producers are mass marketing ( to welcoming mouths ) foods filled with high fat levels, high sodium levels, additives and artifical ingredients in such quantity and questionable quality that we now have an obesity epidemic;

alcoholic products are clearly an item which can/has/done and will "take over a person's life and cause health effects". If you study a topic from US history known as The Prohibition, it's clearly evident that during that time more harm was done than without it by the use/abuse of alcoholic products.

One may well conclude that these are all 'the best arguement towards banning something' - yet, we do not. Life is not perfect, the best we can strive for is to accomondate the widest spread of needs and desires while hoping that technology can offer better alternatives in the future.

 

[DebbieB]

My hubby has asthma and I have a heart problem, so being around cigarette smoke is a big problem for us. To the person who posted you can put in a request for a non-smoking room due to a medical condition - THANKS FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART as I didn't realize that meant you were pretty much assured of a TRUE non-smoking room.

Not really. As ssmj reported above, they got a non-smoking room that had been smoked in. The front desk would probably not be aware of the situation in the room, it just shows non-smoking on their screen. I have also seen posts where people had non-smoking for medical and for whatever reason (usually arriving late) one was not available. It's not 100%, especially when word gets out and more people start requesting it.

 

[Rence]

Over and over we hear that smoking is a choice. It is a BEHAVIOR that smokers CHOOSE to participate in. Smokers choose to smoke. Smoking is addictive, but smokers know this. They don’t smoke for a period of time, they start to suffer withdrawal symptoms. These symptoms are unpleasant but not life threatening. When they start to suffer withdrawal, they have a couple of options, ride it out and be rid of the addiction, use some of the many many techniques that are available to assist with the kicking of the addiction, or they can feed the addiction and smoke again. Their choice.

When it comes to travel, a smoker knows that there will be times and places they can’t smoke. They can’t smoke on an airplane, they can’t smoke in many restaurants, they can’t smoke while waiting in line for an attraction at WDW, and they may get a non-smoking room at WDW because a smoking room is not a guarantee. Knowing this the smoker has a couple of options. They can choose to not travel and stay home where they can smoke as much as they wish in the privacy of their own home. They can choose to travel and know that there will be times and places that they can’t smoke and they will have to deal with it. Or they can choose to quit smoking and not have to deal with the inconvenience of having to step outside their non-smoking room to have a smoke.

I am not willing to give smokers a free pass and say that they are not in control and that they can’t help themselves. That is what some posters on here are implying. Since multiple posters brought it up on this thread about smoking in DVC rooms are we to infer that smokers can’t help themselves and we should look the other way when the smoke where they should not? I don’t honestly believe that anyone is saying that, but it comes close when one starts making excuses and saying that smokers are not in control of their smoking.

 

[rogerram]

Over and over we hear that smoking is a choice. It is a BEHAVIOR that smokers CHOOSE to participate in. Smokers choose to smoke. Smoking is addictive, but smokers know this. They don’t smoke for a period of time, they start to suffer withdrawal symptoms. These symptoms are unpleasant but not life threatening. When they start to suffer withdrawal, they have a couple of options, ride it out and be rid of the addiction, use some of the many many techniques that are available to assist with the kicking of the addiction, or they can feed the addiction and smoke again. Their choice.

When it comes to travel, a smoker knows that there will be times and places they can’t smoke. They can’t smoke on an airplane, they can’t smoke in many restaurants, they can’t smoke while waiting in line for an attraction at WDW, and they may get a non-smoking room at WDW because a smoking room is not a guarantee. Knowing this the smoker has a couple of options. They can choose to not travel and stay home where they can smoke as much as they wish in the privacy of their own home. They can choose to travel and know that there will be times and places that they can’t smoke and they will have to deal with it. Or they can choose to quit smoking and not have to deal with the inconvenience of having to step outside their non-smoking room to have a smoke.

I am not willing to give smokers a free pass and say that they are not in control and that they can’t help themselves. That is what some posters on here are implying. Since multiple posters brought it up on this thread about smoking in DVC rooms are we to infer that smokers can’t help themselves and we should look the other way when the smoke where they should not? I don’t honestly believe that anyone is saying that, but it comes close when one starts making excuses and saying that smokers are not in control of their smoking.

You are exactly right. Smoking is a choice. To smoke in a stated non smoking room, is against the rules and there should be tougher steps to penalize these people who do not follow these rules. Maybe put in a system to fine these violators the first time and each time after, increase these fimes to make it be almost unbearable. This is a health issue for many non smoking people who use these rooms. If all of WDW issued no smoking, I would feel great about it. My sister smokes and I am always asking her to quit. She just says"I am working on it" . Well she has been being worked on it for 25 years. She has 2 children and I tell her that you are doing more damage to them, because you smoke in the house with them there. If she comes over to my house, I won't let he smoke and I will try to not go there because of this. It is her CHOICE. that is the key. She doesn't need to smoke, but chooses to. people can quit, no matter how unpleasant it is at first. I have some friends who have quit and it was hard, but they did it. I supported them and they are feeling better than they have in years. It is a choice, not a medical condition. It is also very rude to smoke in a non smoking room and you should be called out on this.

 

[DVCconvert]

If all of WDW issued no smoking, I would feel great about it.

This speaks to a point of my contention. No one should be allowed to walk all over someone else's CHOICES. By no means am I saying that the right of freedom of choice should negatively impact another person who holds a oppositing desire or need. All reasonable (and legal) positions should be accomodated in such a manner to allow for the quiet enjoyment of each group.
Should there be seperate but equal rooms? Clearly there should. Should those who don't cook meats in their units have vegan-only rooms? Some would likely argue they should.

The 'ban-all, damn-all' who oppose my needs and desires attitude is not condusive to empathic and harmonious existence. In it's worst form history has shown it as dictatorships, censorship and fascism.

 

[cdy16zz]

If DVC would guarantee room type S or N/S this arguement would finally stop!

The N/S has become so vocal that smokers can not get a smoking room. 90% of the rooms are N/S. Smokers want to enjoy their vacations too. But according to some we should just stay home, we deserve nothing!

DVCconvert
Might as well forget coming to the defense of smokers, these boards are used by the same people over and over again. If you don't agree you get slammed!

How can we ever expect to see peace in our life time if people are so intolerent. Yes we smoke, but never in a N/S room. Yes, it's my sin, but yea without sin cast the first stone.

This is my last post on this board, sorry if it aggravates some, but then it is the same ones over, and over, and over again that are better than anyone else. Sadly, this board is done for me.

 

[smjj]

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Should those who don't cook meats in their units have vegan-only rooms? Some would likely argue they should.

What??
The second hand smoke that is exhalled from smokers and causes others to have ashma attacks, wattery eyes and causes cancer is the issue here. Smokers ifrienge on non smokers the moment the smoke is exhaled from their mouths and drifts away from them. It is a problem when they smoke in non-smoking rooms as they did ours. It causes extra time, money and effort on Disney to clean up after them. The comparison noted above is just not valid(putting it politely) and has nothing to do with what is being discussed here....smjj

 

[Disney Doll]

Many health professionals would not so readily agree. The combination of psychological and pharmacological addiction is a very uncontrollabe condition for many who suffer from it.

I would agree with you with regard to the rude attitudes smokers are subjected to. However, smoking in a non-smoking room is just as rude. I have no issue with what someone chooses to do. But follow the rules. If your room is non-smoking, then smoke outside. If you're in the theme park, then smoke in the smoking areas, which are provided throughout all the parks. That's all. I make no commnet toward your lifestyle choices, since I make some pretty bad choices myself at times.

 

[boatboatboat]

I dislike anyone who smokes.

14 years ago on a Saturday afternoon ,my wife (prior to our divorce) told me she was going into town to get a pack of cigs.

She didn't return for 9 days......

I blame Phillip Morris.

 

[AMcaptured]

I don't smoke and no one in my family smokes. I have been given a smoking room and ended up incredibly sick with a horrible asthma attack from it. However, I have no problem with smoking and non smoking rooms. What I do have a problem with is smokers smoking in non smoking rooms and non smokers getting put in smoking rooms.

In this day and age, there is NO reason why "non" smoking or smoking rooms can't be guaranteed, that is the real issue here. Disney's inability to guarantee this and their obvious lack of assuring guest satisfaction on a very basic request is the real problem.


AM

 

[bicker]

But follow the rules.

Amen! That goes for basically everything -- golden rule, y'know.

 

[DVCconvert]

What?? The second hand smoke that is exhalled from smokers and causes others to have ashma attacks, wattery eyes and causes cancer is the issue here.

I don't see that that is the issue here. At the core of it is the freedom of choices. I don't disagree with your position. But why should someone who chooses not to come in contact with meats (as an example) not be permitted to have the choice to have a 'meatless room'?

However, smoking in a non-smoking room is just as rude.

I agree -- or worst, harmful possibly to others.

I have no issue with what someone chooses to do. But follow the rules. If your room is non-smoking, then smoke outside. If you're in the theme park, then smoke in the smoking areas, which are provided throughout all the parks.

I 100% agree with you.

That's all. I make no commnet toward your lifestyle choices, since I make some pretty bad choices myself at times.

Now THAT is the cord of humanity that can improve everyone's position in life and which can seperate us from the animals.

 

[Dean]

If DVC would guarantee room type S or N/S this arguement would finally stop!

Only if they instituted hefty fines and enforced it consistently. But it'd be a start.

 

[boatboatboat]

use the money from the fines to heat the pools.