Smoking Etiquette Question

[Sonno]

You know, this is why I rarely read up on this forum anymore. Just pathetic folks, really.
And for the record, I think you would perfer me smoking than not.

 

[Minnie554]

What is this all about? How rude can a person be. I am a lurker, exactly for this reason. I just don't understand how people can be so mean to each other. If this poster is representing the nonsmoking population, he sure is making that population look horrible. Are you also this ignorant to other groups you don't agree with?

I also am a smoker, and try my very hardest to be responsible, and thoughtful of those around me, only smoking in designated areas, and if I am out in "public" only smoking away from the crowds. Hopefully one of these days I will quit, but hopefully I will stay nice......

1) I guess rudeness and selfishness shows not bounds.
2) I wonder how you can possibly survive in a non-smoking restaurant.
3) You poor, poor people.
4) God must have something against you.
5) Imagine, being put into a non-smoking room!
6) Life can be cruel!
7) Next, they will tell you smoking is hazardous to your health.
8) The audacity of some people!

 

[dbarker]

DH is a smoker - cigars. I am a non-smoker. We always get a Non-smoking room b/c the smell of cigarette smoke really bothers DS and me. DH smokes outside. He smokes outside at home.

That is why. If he is really bothering you, just let him know nicely and he will remedy the situation. I am considerate of his smoking and he is very considerate of my intolerance.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

DH is a smoker - cigars. I am a non-smoker. We always get a Non-smoking room b/c the smell of cigarette smoke really bothers DS and me. DH smokes outside. He smokes outside at home.

That is why. If he is really bothering you, just let him know nicely and he will remedy the situation. I am considerate of his smoking and he is very considerate of my intolerance.

Sounds like the way it should be.
Good guy.

 

[aubriee]

OP here. Please be nice folks. I guess I didn't phrase my question well. I have nothing against smokers and again if I pass through a designated smoking area then it's my own fault and I have nothing to complain about. What the purpose of my post was is that I just assumed rooms in the nonsmoking area were nonsmoking, outside as well as in. People who request nonsmoking rooms do so for a reason and it doesn't seem right that we have to walk through clouds of smoke to get to our room on what I assumed was designated as a nonsmoking floor. Also why does WDW put smoking areas right next to elevators. As far as everyone being able to enjoy the pools, why not make one side smoking and one nonsmoking. It seems simple enough.

 

[Sleepy]

People who request nonsmoking rooms do so for a reason...... .

And there are many reasons. They are not just reserved by people who don't smoke. There are families where both adults smoke, but don't want to smoke in their house. There are families where only one adult smokes and the other prefers a non-smoking environment inside. The people who ask for non-smoking are not always families where both adults do NOT smoke. I think that is where you see it differently.

 

[FanofG00fy]

::standing up, clearing my voice:: I am a considerate smoker. I smoke in the designated areas only on park. If I smoke at the bus stops, I never do so under the awning or near the ashtray. I see what way the wind is blowing and make sure my smoke does not go into the people waiting for a bus. I do not smoke in a "non-smoking room" (no offense LuvTony0508, I've done the same thing you had and tried to remedy the situation immediately! Glad they moved you! ) (Oh and Kitka, sometimes, in certain hotels our smoking rooms do not have ashtrays when you first walk in. You have to call down to the front desk, make sure you have a smoking room, then request an ashtray. Because sometimes when you check in and the hotel staff checking you in states you have a smoking room and you get to your room, there is no ashtray you wonder.) I have been told by several Disney CM's to smoke outside my room. I have asked for the requested area and quote. "Just outside anywhere." I try my hardest to make sure smoke does not go near people when I smoke outside. I do all this because I have a mother who is asthmatic and is allergic to smoke. I have seen and dealt first hand with someone experiencing walking through a cloud of smoke with these problems and it is not fun and can ruin the whole day for that person.

Now I am not saying that there are not rude smokers out there, we all have to deal with them. Yes, even us considerate smokers get pretty upset. But I have learned on thing. They don't care and they will continue to do what ever they want because, "We're in America. I paid a lot of money for this vacation. I have rights."

But please people, do not lump all smokers in the same group. I mean, I hate chewing tabacco. I cannot handle the spit. Now I don't hate the people that do it, just when their actions are rude and they spit right in front of me or on a sidewalk. Or they leave their spit cups lying everywhere. I'm not thrilled that cologne exists either. I do not hate the people that wear it. I'm just upset with the ones who wear so much that they might be sitting watching Indiana Jones and I can smell them at the park enterance at MGM.
Or how about the people that don't dress correctly and I see things that only their mother (when they were infants), their spouses, their doctors and God should only see. I don't want to see your "the gifts" of your body. What about the parents who let their children run wild. What about the teenagers acting like they own the place. What about people who rent wheelchairs when they don't need it. What about the line cutters? What about the people who leave their mess on the table at counter service restuarants? What about the rude people that won't give up their seat on the buses for an elderly person, pregnant woman, or a parent holding a sleeping child? What about the couple that argue so loud and cuss so loud that you cannot keep your child from hearing that language? What about the cussing crowd? I know, some of you will say. No of this effects your ability to breath. Really? Sometimes this stuff takes "people's breath away." And no, it my not physically do damage to anyone, but it's pretty darn hard to wipe it out of your memory.

Look, all I'm saying is this. The world is not perfect. It will never be perfect. So when the situation comes up and a smoker's smoke is bothering you, please advise them you have an adult in a scooter that cannot handle smoke and ask that if they see you coming to "butt out". Most of us smokers, when treated nicely and with respect will actually act very sorry, apologize and get the heck out of the way. Heck even after talking to us, we might strike up conversations and be friendly. So if you get the moron who just looks at you and laughs, or says it's his right, or blah blah blah just remember, what goes around comes around.

::stepping down, and now looking for a designated smoking area, cause after this, I need one! ::

 

[Charleyann]

I have a child with a terminal lung disease. I also work in a hospital.I know it is an addicition but Smoke real bothers my child. He is ten years old. Schools teach them the dangers of smoking and that it causes death. He fears cigerette smoke. He knows the score with his lung disease...imagine, being ten years old and knowing that, cigerettes add to his misery and demise and some people don't care! Imagine in his mind a ten years old, walking down a Disney corridor with people innocently smoking cigerettes and not knowing a terminally ill child with a lung condition is there and they are further adding stress to his already torn and battered body! Imagine that ten year old knowing he is dying......

Please, think of the sick children and people. Please don't smoke in corridors and places without proper ventiliation.

I know this too, smokers can be the kindest people with great conversations. I also know they pay good taxes on cigs, well here in Canada with them being almost 10.00 package. There are a just a few who think it is their God Given right to harm others and blow it into the faces of nonsmokers. They are the ones that make the others look bad!

Charleyann

 

[The Sweetness]

I am glad I read this thread. Now I know that a smoker is perfectly within their rights to smoke outside my rooms door. If I didnt know better, Id be offended and fully pissed off about this happening. DH wouldnt care, but dd14 would not be pleased. She also tends to vocalize how she feels. I would really rather her not make a negative comment to someone who wasnt even doing anything wrong

 

[FanofG00fy]

You know what shocked me the most The Sweetness, is that they told me to do it outside more door or anywhere outside. I'm a smoker, standing smack dab in front of a nonsmoking room. HHhhhmmmmmm.... I wonder where the smoke is going.....can you say IN THE NONSMOKING ROOM! I never understood why people smoke right in front of their door to smoke. And if you think about it, the door is usually open so they can talk to another family member. And if you stand in front of your door, people have to walk by. Wonder where my smoke is going.....there is never going to be a happy medium.

There are going to be people who don't care that I'm a considerate smoker and tell me I'm going to H....E.....double Hockey sticks and I'm the reason their family member is ill. It's all me. I'm the cause of all the trouble in the world! I'm sorry I have this addiction, trust me, if I could quit, I would have long time ago. I could have bought my boat and truck with the money I spend on cigarettes. I'm not asking you to feel sorry for me, and please don't sit there and tell me to quit or how to quit or if you really want to quit you can. To be honest, I don't want to quit. I'm the one who is going to suffer my adult decision to not quit, but I try my hardest not to let it interfer with others, again, I'm considerate. But still even after my first post, we are all still lumped together. So I say, lets do a group lumping! For those of you who drink one alcoholic drink at one of the countries in WS.....YOU DRUNK!!!! How dare you get behind your car, or be seen in public while intoxicated. And you, over there taking your perscription oxycotin for the pain in your back that cannot be operated on, we know the ploy...YOU DRUG ADDICT!!! Sure your doctor prescribed them to you. Your probably making meth in the GF right now!!! And me, not smoking at my computer, but waiting to go outside in my own designated smoking area of my yard, where nothing is and smoke doesn't blow toward my neighbors house a full acre away....YOU SMOKER!!!! I am the cause of the ozone layer hole. I'm the one that has made life more miserable than anyone else.

Again, this is not a perfect world and never will be. I smoke, I'm considerate. I drink one drink, I'm considerate. I take my perscription drug, I'm considerate. I'm sorry that others cannot be considerate or will not be considerate. But stop doing a "lump" blame.

Now to the outside.....to smoke in the rain! Woohoo....I love my addiction

 

[Nanu57v]

At the AKL my hubby and I smoked in the room because we requested a smoking room but didn't get one.

Ooh...I usually turn from debate posts...but this made me upset. Did you think that maybe secondhand smoke can injure/kill people and maybe they shouldn't be sleeping in a room with smoke residue therefore require a non-smoking room? Secondhand smoke significantly increases the risk of SIDS in babies...even smoke residue on clothes, blankets, etc increases the risk. I stayed at a hotel in a non-smoking room that reeked because of people smoking outside their rooms down the hall. I was terrified all night my baby was going to stop breathing...I would've been livid if I knew people were actually smoking in the room. Please think of others next time as well.

 

[WAHMto5]

I know this is OT, but I REALLY wish there were designated smoking areas at the resorts like at the parks. I hate trying to enjoy the pool or the beach with a cloud of smoke hanging around.

I felel the exact same way and think this would help both smokers and non~smokers! We also have a child that has severe asthma and cannot be around smoke, so it is hard at some places.

 

[LuvTony0508]

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. I have 4 days til DISNEY and I'm really, really happy about that.

 

[The Sweetness]

You know what shocked me the most The Sweetness, is that they told me to do it outside more door or anywhere outside. I'm a smoker, standing smack dab in front of a nonsmoking room. HHhhhmmmmmm.... I wonder where the smoke is going.....can you say IN THE NONSMOKING ROOM! I never understood why people smoke right in front of their door to smoke. And if you think about it, the door is usually open so they can talk to another family member. And if you stand in front of your door, people have to walk by. Wonder where my smoke is going.....there is never going to be a happy medium.

There are going to be people who don't care that I'm a considerate smoker and tell me I'm going to H....E.....double Hockey sticks and I'm the reason their family member is ill.

I'm the one who is going to suffer my adult decision to not quit, but I try my hardest not to let it interfer with others, again, I'm considerate.

A~ that makes no sense to me at all either. But if those are the rules then that's it. I am still going to suit up and get in the game

B~That unfortunately, could be my adorable and usually sweet but occaisionally quite opinionated and outspoken (and sadly, yes... rude) dd who will be 15 on our vaca... I will spend the next 11 months drilling into her head that if she cant think of something nice to say to a stranger, than to keep her trap shut (for mommy's sake!)

C~ If only all smokers could think that way (being as considerate as possible) perhaps we could all (smokers and non) get along better. But that would require tollerance and consideration on the part of us *sainted non-smokers as well

Thats just how I see it

 

[razamataz]

I think that if everyone (who posted here) requested Disney create a "covered smoking patio" that it might make a difference. Far enough from walkways, but close enough to watch the hotel room if you are the only adult present.

I think that a hotel smoking patio would be a great solution for both groups of people.

I have been guilty in the past of smoking directly in front of my hotel room and never even considered that it would be an issue, until I read this thread. It certainly was never my intention to be purposefully rude to the non-smokers. And would have certainly moved, if I would have been asked.

A couple other solutions:
1. Stay at hotels with indoor corridors, typically, these hotels have specific floors for smokers.
2. Before making reservations, ask for the hotel's policy on where smokers can smoke if they stay in a non-smoking room.

 

[kaytieeldr]

YUK! I really wish they would make it against the rules to smoke on the balconies of non-smoking rooms

Well, then you'd have problems at a resort like the Contemporary - in which all the rooms are non-smoking, but Guests ARE permitted to smoke on the balconies...

I for one hate it when I'm walking to my NON-smoking room to have to breathe in the smoke of someone standing in front of a room smoking. There should be designated areas that people can smoke outside like there is at the parks.

But it's the rooms that are non-smoking, not the outdoors. It's different in the parks - people are out and about anyway. Lots of smokers are used to a cigarette just before they go to bed, or as soon as they wake up. It's not reasonable to expect these Guests to get dressed, go perhaps down several floors and off 'somewhere' to have a cigarette.

We had the same issue as we arrived to our resort on our last visit (POP). I said loudly to my DH as we approached the room with our baby sleeping in the stroller "I thought they said it was a non-smoking room!"

But it IS a non-smoking room; it's not a non-smoking walkway...

Also why does WDW put smoking areas right next to elevators. As far as everyone being able to enjoy the pools, why not make one side smoking and one nonsmoking. It seems simple enough

Well, it's not exactly that they put smoking areas next to the elevators; it's more that (a) you can't smoke in an elevator, so there are ashtrays there and (b) that when even a Disney resort is designed/built, it probably hasn't been determined where/if smoking is going to be optional.
As for the pool issue - well, how do you decide WHICH side is which? What if the non-smoking side is in the sun while the smoking side is shaded most of the day? Smokers can't get tans?

Please, think of the sick children and people. Please don't smoke in corridors and places without proper ventiliation.

Understandable - but I thought the issue here is primarily at the resorts with outdoor walkways to the rooms (Value & Moderate), not hotels with indoor corridors. To the best of my knowledge, smoking in those hotels IS restricted to inside the guestrooms or outside the building (and yes, that does mean balconies).

You know what shocked me the most The Sweetness, is that they told me to do it outside more door or anywhere outside. I'm a smoker, standing smack dab in front of a nonsmoking room. HHhhhmmmmmm.... I wonder where the smoke is going.....can you say IN THE NONSMOKING ROOM!

Um, generally no, not unless the door is open and the smoker is blowing the smoke in that direction. Most of the time, it goes out into the surrounding air and dissipates.

I think that if everyone (who posted here) requested Disney create a "covered smoking patio" that it might make a difference. Far enough from walkways, but close enough to watch the hotel room if you are the only adult present.

One immediate problem with that is the size/layout of most of the Disney resorts. You'd need probably a dozen just at Pop Century, and HOW many at Port Orleans Riverside? Speaking of which, to the best of my recollection (confirmed by my Disney Specialist who's been there much more recently) there are ashtrays on the walkways of at least one non-smoking building in Alligator Bayou - so apparently not only does Disney expect some smokers to be assigned to that building, they enable said Guests to smoke yes, right outside their rooms.

 

[SadieDog]

A
B~That unfortunately, could be my adorable and usually sweet but occaisionally quite opinionated and outspoken (and sadly, yes... rude) dd who will be 15 on our vaca... I will spend the next 11 months drilling into her head that if she cant think of something nice to say to a stranger, than to keep her trap shut (for mommy's sake!)

C~ If only all smokers could think that way (being as considerate as possible) perhaps we could all (smokers and non) get along better. But that would require tollerance and consideration on the part of us *sainted non-smokers as well

Sounds like our 15 year old daughters are quite alike. I know how challenging it can be. However, when it comes to my daughters health (she has asthma) I want her to consider her health first and speak up for herself when necessary. Of course I want her to do it in a manner which is NOT rude. Good luck.

I also want to thank all the considerate smokers out there.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

 

[english rose 47]

This thread has certainly brought out some diferent oppinions!! As I've said I am a smoker a returring one! I quit for many years and went back to it during let's say an extremeely difficult time , so I know I could quit I choose not to.That is my right. When I was a non smoker I vowed not to be ""a reformed smoker" and I wasn"t! What thois thread and the one on giving up a seat on the buses is showing me is that the pixie dust does not make it back to the hotel!!! It would be nice if all smokers were considerate but they are not sooo they are rude! Just as many of the peolpe on the buses are. Consideration for others is the key here both ways. Non smokers be polite Smokers be considerate. Give your seat to someone more needy you know what's wrong with you or not and if its not why wouln't you give your seat to an elderley person or a mother carrying a child makes no sense to me other than again rude!

 

[FanofG00fy]

I also want to thank all the considerate smokers out there.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

Hey!! You are more than Welcome!!!! Just to let you know, when I see people smoking in non-designated smoking areas, I usually hold up my pack of cigarettes, smile politely, and say as sweetly as I can "I'm sory, but if you do not know there are designated smoking areas for us. I will be more than happy to show you the nearest one." 65% usually go to where I show them. The other 35% well, I've had hand gestures, I've been cussed I believe in about 6 different languages, but I can tell they are cussing by the looks on their faces, and I've had a few blow smoke in my face. My response to these people is: "I am a fellow smoker, see, (holding up my cigarettes) and if you cause us not to be able to smoke on these parks because you are not in the designated area, I will post your picture on the internet and let every one know it was you." And I usually take their picture. Woohoo....can I find a lot of rude smokers.

 

[FanofG00fy]

At the AKL my hubby and I smoked in the room because we requested a smoking room but didn't get one. When staff got wind of this they moved us to a smoking room. There was no smoking in that building at all! We requested a smoking room at CSR this year, hope to get one.

LuvTony 0508: I really despise people who are incessently condescending. I'm sure you're perfect in every way and are never rude or make an honest mistake. Gee, the second coming of Christ right here on the DIS boards, how fortunate for the rest of us poor flawed human beings. First,we didn't know we were in a non smoking room because we requested a smoking room second, we smoked on the balcony because we have children and tend not to smoke around them.


Okay, can people please stop misquoting LuvTony0508. They didn't know they were in a non-smoking room. As I have said in a previous post. I to lit up, (no not on Disney..shame on you LuvTony0508..I am now going to pelt you with wet cigarette butts for screwing up on Disney Property ) in a non-smoking room. BUT...I was also told that it was a smoking room. I'm sure it was a mistake.

Let us all agree, there are rude smokers out there who don't give a flying flip what is going on around them, and sadly will not ever read these boards to understand.