Smoking Etiquette Question

[maryclancy@cox.net]

I just returned and I can tell you that at PORS the smoke from my neighbor smoking in front of my room did not enter my room, the rooms are air conditioned and are designed not to let anything from outside enter the room. Also, I think it would be pretty easy to move the ash tray away from your door if it you didn't want it there and or it posed a serious risk to the health of you or a loved one. I am a non smoker who teaches her children that to be judgmental or impolite is not acceptable but one puff and they would be in BIG trouble!!

 

[pepperw23]

As a smoker I always request a smoking room and have only gotten 1 in the last 3 times. I have been told that the request for smoking exceeds the number of rooms. So I do smoke outside the door as directed by the CM's. The CM's tell the smokers that they can smoke outside their door when smoking rooms are unavailable. I have actually heard of CM's telling people to go ahead and smoke in the room also, when there is no smoking rooms available.

Yep, that is a fact. We were told by CM to "go ahead and smoke in the room" This was per his manager. We didn't because it made us uncomfortable, but they do it.

 

[pepperw23]

Ooh...I usually turn from debate posts...but this made me upset. Did you think that maybe secondhand smoke can injure/kill people and maybe they shouldn't be sleeping in a room with smoke residue therefore require a non-smoking room? Secondhand smoke significantly increases the risk of SIDS in babies...even smoke residue on clothes, blankets, etc increases the risk. I stayed at a hotel in a non-smoking room that reeked because of people smoking outside their rooms down the hall. I was terrified all night my baby was going to stop breathing...I would've been livid if I knew people were actually smoking in the room. Please think of others next time as well.

credit: Reason.com
article titled 10 Myths about Second hand Smoke.

1. Secondhand smoke poses a grave threat to bystanders: The evidence concerning the health effects of secondhand smoke is not nearly as conclusive as the evidence concerning the health effects of smoking. The research suggests that people who live with smokers for decades may face a slightly higher risk of lung cancer. According to one estimate, a nonsmoking woman who lives with a smoker faces an additional lung cancer risk of 6.5 in 10,000, which would raise her lifetime risk from about 0.34 percent to about 0.41 percent. Studies of secondhand smoke and heart disease, including the results from the Harvard Nurses Study published in 1997, report more-dramatic increases in disease rates—so dramatic, in fact, that they are biologically implausible, suggesting risks comparable to those faced by smokers, despite the much lower doses involved. In any case, there is no evidence that casual exposure to secondhand smoke has any impact on your life expectancy. (See Chapter 5.)

6. If secondhand smoke really is dangerous, smoking ought to be banned everywhere, except in private residences. Since almost all of the epidemiological evidence about the health effects of secondhand smoke relates to long-term exposure in the home, the fact that this is the one place exempted from current and proposed smoking bans suggests a residual concern for property rights. Yet business owners have property rights, too. If the government respected their right to establish rules about smoking on their own property, potential employees and customers could take such policies into account when deciding where to work or which businesses to patronize. Whether secondhand smoke is a health hazard or merely a nuisance, such a voluntary system is the most appropriate way to deal with the conflicting demands of smokers and nonsmokers, since it allows for diversity and competition, rather than simply imposing the will of the majority on everyone. (See Chapter 5.)

 

[nurseypoo5]

We too requested a smokers room as the 2 adults smoke . However I will probably only smoke in the bathroom or on walkway as DGD has asthma and being in a room filled with smoke is not a good idea so just like at home we have a sperate room for smoking and for any one whop is thinking she 's going to use the bathroom we have 2 rooms.So this should work also I do understand how non smokers feel and obviously if I saw someone using O2 headed my way I would butt it, but I don't know who is sensitve and who isn't but i certaqinly will try not to make the walkway a smokey way!

Not trying to flame you...and i havent read all the thread but this shocked me.

An asthmatic child should NEVER be housed in the smoking section of a resort. The airducts intermingle and there is no escaping the smoke. You risk her health by doing this.

BTW i am a respiratory pediatric nurse at a large childrens hospital, i deal with this all the time, you just never know when the trigger will happen, esp if she isnt used to a lot of smoke (smoke lingers after all) or if she will be in your room.

Now dont get me wrong i smoke...yup i do, i should know better. We always get the nonsmoking rooms and smoke outside, just like at home. None of my kids are asthmatic but i know what it feels like to not smoke and that smell is icky.

 

[Lizziejane]

As a smoker, I request non-smoking rooms, and smoke outside. HOwever, I don't stand outside the door in the corridor and light up. I always head off to an open space somewhere, even if it's just the parking lot. If I have a balcony where smoking is permitted, I always check to see if others are out on their balconies to either side of me. If there are, I won't light up.

To the poster who stated that it was unreasonable to expect a smoker to have to get fully dressed in the morning to go off and have a smoke, I have to disagree. What's unreasonable is to expect non-smokers to suck up our leftovers. And I'm not so sure anyone appreciates catching someone in their boxers outside their door puffing away...! Put some clothes on already!

 

[Sleepy]

To the poster who stated that it was unreasonable to expect a smoker to have to get fully dressed in the morning to go off and have a smoke, I have to disagree.

As for hotels like the Hard Rock Hotel at Universal, there are no patios and no balconies. We always request a non-smoking room because I do not smoke. Given that, my husband does get dressed everyday and walks down to the main lobby and outside to smoke. He has no other choice. It is an inconvenience, but the only way he can continue his habit while we stay there.

 

[Charleyann]

So is POP and ASM hotels with corridors? Or are these hotels which allows people to smoke outside their doors? Geez.....I may really have to think twice of staying at Disney. I have a child with a TERMINAL lung disease, HE has been hospitalized 90+ times since birth and is but ten years old. I don't think I can risk that. TELL me it aint so!

Please don't bash me.....my child is dying, unless someone finds a cure quick. I want him to experience Disney to it's truest. At the same time, I don't want to jeopardize his health. I too know, that there are some very considerate smokers out there, but there are others......

Charleyann

 

[GC&S]

BTW i am a respiratory pediatric nurse at a large childrens hospital, i deal with this all the time, you just never know when the trigger will happen, esp if she isnt used to a lot of smoke (smoke lingers after all) or if she will be in your room.

Now dont get me wrong i smoke...yup i do, i should know better. We always get the nonsmoking rooms and smoke outside, just like at home. None of my kids are asthmatic but i know what it feels like to not smoke and that smell is icky.

O/T but Nurseypoo do you smoke at work (I mean on your breaks?). I'm asking because I also work at a Children's Hospital and as of July 4, employees are not permitted to smoke at all during their shift (on or off property during lunch, breaks, etc). Just wondering if other Children's Hospitals have this policy and how it was working.

 

[Charleyann]

There is no smoking permitted outside your doors ! Told me not to worry. Now, why would people admit they smoke outside their doors if it weren't true! Just to start a riot? NOT !!!! I called the 1-800 number.....who do I contact now? Cause I just can't risk putting my already sick one, through something that could harm him fiurther?

If Disney can't provide completely nonsmoking buildings for people sensitiive to smoke in value and mod hotels....then they should upgrade at their expense, building where smoke is profibitated!

One would think, Disney magic would take children's health into consideration and ban smoking completely. Surprised they haven't been slapped with a lawsuit over this!

Charleyann

 

[english rose 47]

Not trying to flame you...and i havent read all the thread but this shocked me.

An asthmatic child should NEVER be housed in the smoking section of a resort. The airducts intermingle and there is no escaping the smoke. You risk her health by doing this.

BTW i am a respiratory pediatric nurse at a large childrens hospital, i deal with this all the time, you just never know when the trigger will happen, esp if she isnt used to a lot of smoke (smoke lingers after all) or if she will be in your room.

Now dont get me wrong i smoke...yup i do, i should know better. We always get the nonsmoking rooms and smoke outside, just like at home. None of my kids are asthmatic but i know what it feels like to not smoke and that smell is icky.

You,re right it isn,t good for her but as I said smoke outside or in 1 of the bathrooms and I confess I,m the biggest smoke addict. She is also allegic to cats and we have 4. All this started this year go figure!!She is much worse in the cold weather up north than in the summer if the smoke becomes an issue I will take it outside for sure. On the cats issue she would not consider getting rid of them

 

[Charleneluvsdisney]

I had an issue back in February at Pop with smoking

Please do not smoke in the bathroom if you can't get a smoking room! We had a room at Pop and we were in a non-smoking room, bottom floor - every now and then our room would fill up with the smell of smoke. It was driving me crazy where it was coming from. I finally figured out someone was smoking in the bathroom above us and it was travelling through the vents in the bathroom. We ended up keeping the bathroom door closed and I had to buy some air sanitizer!

I am assuming that this person was unable to get a smoking room and thought that this was the best place to go - It wasn't!

 

[Nanu57v]

First of all,I wanted to apologize to luvtony---I obviously missed the post where you said you didn't know it wasn't a smoking room. Perhaps they should put signs on the doors or something to let people know that like at most hotels.

Secondly, Pepperw23, Your data is skewed about secondhand smoke. As a childcare administrator I am required to attend trainings on the dangers of SIDS, and secondhand smoke has come into all that. Did you know that 25% of all SIDS cases occur not at home? Smoking is not permitted in PA childcare centers for that reason or even near the doors. Of course its not as bad as smoking alone, but its still bad.

 

[Nanu57v]

Hey!! You are more than Welcome!!!! Just to let you know, when I see people smoking in non-designated smoking areas, I usually hold up my pack of cigarettes, smile politely, and say as sweetly as I can "I'm sory, but if you do not know there are designated smoking areas for us. I will be more than happy to show you the nearest one." 65% usually go to where I show them. The other 35% well, I've had hand gestures, I've been cussed I believe in about 6 different languages, but I can tell they are cussing by the looks on their faces, and I've had a few blow smoke in my face. My response to these people is: "I am a fellow smoker, see, (holding up my cigarettes) and if you cause us not to be able to smoke on these parks because you are not in the designated area, I will post your picture on the internet and let every one know it was you." And I usually take their picture. Woohoo....can I find a lot of rude smokers.

That is soooo funny! And awesome! Honestly I've never had a problem at Disney with that. I usually walk into the smoking section by accident and am unexpectedly greeted with a puff of smoke. I wonder if there are more people out there like you to help keep things in check...Other theme parks, baseball games, etc. I have had problems... We took our then 6 month old to watch a Phillies game (no smoking in stands, I checked ---I was really worried about SIDS), and the people directly next to us lit up. I narced on them. They gave me a mean look.

 

[the Fidge]

OK another bite taken! If you asked most smokers 98% would tell you that they would lover to quit. Some of us started many years ago without benefit of all the informantion that is out there now. I hope you realize that it is not something we do to annoy the non smoking population, many of us are intelligent hard working and are someones mother someones daughter son or father. There are very few places to smoke that are designated. I attempt to quit on every vacation and sadly to date have not quit. I alwys utilize the areas that are our little timeout spots.

I will never light up anywhere in the presence of a baby. In public or private. I wonder how many of you have passed in gas in public to me thats offensive! The folks that bath in colgone usually a horrible scent can tigger my allergies. Do I give them dirty looks or stand in angry judgement? NO! WHat about people intoxicated they are dangerous to my health yet they can walk around parks can't they and drive causing more trouble than my smoking does. IN the perfect world I would be smoke free, loud drunks would be behind bars literally and people that bath in perfume would be put out to pasture with all the other funky smells! How does that appeal to you??

Doesn't sound very nice does it?? How many of you non smoking folks may have left a party after having a cocktail or let someone drive who has?? I am sure you will all say never!!! WEll I can tell you, I lost a pregnant family member driving with her children by a drunk driver, I wish he would have had a cigaretter instead of a drink!

If you are ever offended by someones smoking you can say something and more times than not you will get an apology and maybe you can see there is a person with heart! I was raised in a society where smoking was in malls, movies doctors offices and many other places. For me growing up it was more common than non smokers, wierd huh?? Be patient with me, I hate spending this money I could use on Disney vacations, or the fact that I hate the smell of cigarettes maybe one day I can quit. But I will always be mindful to remember the sadness that dirty looks and judgements can cause. I rahter go through life being one of the good guys, someone that always has a kind word for all. Do you think that there is smoking and non smoking in Heaven or do all smokers go to hell??

 

[4mykids]

Reading this thread has been educational! I am a nonsmoker living in an entire family of nonsmokers (I mean extended family, everyone!). And we are Catholic! You know us Catholics, we'll do anything!

My kids are highly allergic to cig smoke. When we check into a hotel, I go to the room first and smell everything...pillows, carpet, bedding, etc. If the A/C is turned off, I turn it on and sniff. If there is any smell of smoke, we ask for another room.

Walking thru smoke can trigger them. It never fails that we will get behind someone at WDW that is smoking in the park. Not in a designated area, but just walking out in the open smoking. Or smoking in line for a ride. Some people truly are unaware of the smoking sections and some are just rude. I gather up all of my southern gentility and ask as politely as I can if they will please put out their cigarettes. Most of the time, people are very courteous. Some are not.

What really ticks me off is hearing that Disney CMs are telling smokers to smoke in a non-smoking room if there are no smoking rooms available! That is unacceptable to me! That's where my southern gentlilty would end and my nasty side would take over!

 

[Charleyann]

You would stand in ugly disagreement if you had a child with severe cystic fibrosis and people smoked where he had to walk through.....

The only time I pass judgement is when they(smokers) place others at risk.....then it is my GOD GIVEN right to pass judgement!

It is also my right to to be really pissed off at Disney CM"s for telling people if they can't have a smoking room, then to smoke outside their doors! Disney is claiming , they never said that. I tend to believe those honest smokers that say they do. Why admit to that, when smoking is becoming taboo?



Charleyann

 

[Pea-n-Me]

credit: Reason.com
article titled 10 Myths about Second hand Smoke.

1. Secondhand smoke poses a grave threat to bystanders: The evidence concerning the health effects of secondhand smoke is not nearly as conclusive as the evidence concerning the health effects of smoking. The research suggests that people who live with smokers for decades may face a slightly higher risk of lung cancer. According to one estimate, a nonsmoking woman who lives with a smoker faces an additional lung cancer risk of 6.5 in 10,000, which would raise her lifetime risk from about 0.34 percent to about 0.41 percent. Studies of secondhand smoke and heart disease, including the results from the Harvard Nurses Study published in 1997, report more-dramatic increases in disease rates—so dramatic, in fact, that they are biologically implausible, suggesting risks comparable to those faced by smokers, despite the much lower doses involved. In any case, there is no evidence that casual exposure to secondhand smoke has any impact on your life expectancy. (See Chapter 5.)

6. If secondhand smoke really is dangerous, smoking ought to be banned everywhere, except in private residences. Since almost all of the epidemiological evidence about the health effects of secondhand smoke relates to long-term exposure in the home, the fact that this is the one place exempted from current and proposed smoking bans suggests a residual concern for property rights. Yet business owners have property rights, too. If the government respected their right to establish rules about smoking on their own property, potential employees and customers could take such policies into account when deciding where to work or which businesses to patronize. Whether secondhand smoke is a health hazard or merely a nuisance, such a voluntary system is the most appropriate way to deal with the conflicting demands of smokers and nonsmokers, since it allows for diversity and competition, rather than simply imposing the will of the majority on everyone. (See Chapter 5.)

Your information is contrary to what the American Cancer Society and the Environmental Protection Agency have to say about the effects of secondhand smoke.

The Facts about Secondhand Smoke

Secondhand smoke is the third leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. killing 38,000 to 65,000 nonsmokers every year.
Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer, other types of cancer, and heart disease in nonsmokers.
Exposure to secondhand smoke can cause children to develop asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia, other respiratory infections, and ear infections. Exposure to secondhand smoke also increase the risk that infants will die of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
Food service workers appear to be 50% more likely than the general population to develop lung cancer, largely because many of them are exposed to secondhand smoke on the job.
Besides causing disease, secondhand smoke also exacerates a number of pre-existing health conditions, including some allergies, asthma, bronchitis, other respiratory ailments, and heart disease.
Cigarette smoke contains over 4,700 chemicals, over 200 poisons, and over 50 human carcinogens. The poisons in cigarette smoke include carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, and methyl isocyanate. The carcinogens in cigarette smoke include benzo[a]pyrene and NNK, which cause lung cancer; nitrosamines, which cause cancer of the lung, respiratory system, and other organs; aromatic amines, which cause bladder and breast cancer; formaldehyde, which causes nasal cancer; and benzene, which causes leukemia. The carcinogen NNK has been found in nonsmokers who have been exposed to secondhand smoke.
Each year environmental tobacco smoke kills approximately 53,000 Americans, the same number of Americans killed in the Vietnam War. (Action on Smoking and Health, Special Report, Involuntary Smoking: The Factual Basis for Action, 1993)
The Environmental Protection Agency has classified environmental tobacco smoke as a “Group A” Carcinogen – a substance known to cause cancer in humans. Environmental tobacco smoke joins a list, which includes substances such as radon and asbestos. (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Respiratory Health Effectsd of Involuntary Smoking, 1993)
Waiters and waitresses have almost twice the risk of lung cancer due to involuntary exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS). (Siegel, Michael, “Involuntary Smoking in the Restaurant Workplace, “Journal of the American Mecical Association, July 28, 1993; 270: 490-493.)

Chemicals in Environmental Tobacco Smoke
A few of the 4,000 chemicals in Environmental Tobacco Smoke, several of which are cancer causing agents, are listed below. The is from Table 3-1, 1992 EPA Report, Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking.
Benzene
2-Napthylamine
4-Aminobiphenyl
Nickel
Polonium 210 (radioactive)
Nitrogen oxides
N-Nitrosodimethylamine
N-Nitrosodiethylamine
N-Nitrosopyrrolidine
1,3-Butadiene
Analine
Formaldehyde
Hydrazine
N-Nitrodiethanolamine
Cadmium
Benzo[a]pyrene
Benz[a]anthracene
Y-Butyrolactone
Particulate matter
N-Nitrosonomicotine
NNK
Carbon monoxide
Carbon dioxide
Carbonyl sulfide
Toluene
Acrolein
Acetone
Pyridine
3-Methylpyridine
3-Vinylpyridine
Hydrogen cyanide
Ammonia
Methylamine
Dimethylamine
Nicotine
Anatabine
Phenol
Catechol
Hydorquinone
Cholesterol

The Facts about Secondhand Smoke (ETS) and Asthma :
Nearly 1 in 13 school-aged children has Asthma
An estimated 8,000 – 26,000 new asthma cases arise in children per year
Between 1980-1994, asthma among children under 5 years old increased by 160%
Nearly 1 in 5 of all pediatric emergency room visits are asthma-related
Nearly 2 out of 5 children aged 2 months-5 years live with at least one smoker
A estimated 9-12 million children are exposed to secondhand smoke at home
It is estimated that up to 1 million children have aggravated asthma symptoms due to Secondhand Smoke
Other major indoor asthma triggers are dust mites, mold, and animal dander, and cockroach allergens
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Indoor Environment Division and the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials (ASTHO).

Want to read more? http://search2.cancer.org/search?cl...d&proxystylesheet=amcancer&q=secondhand+smoke

 

[kaytieeldr]

There is no smoking permitted outside your doors ! Told me not to worry. Now, why would people admit they smoke outside their doors if it weren't true!

I don't know. Ask the Guests several doors down from me in a non-smoking Pop building why there was a DISNEY-PROVIDED ashtray outside their room.

If Disney can't provide completely nonsmoking buildings for people sensitiive to smoke in value and mod hotels....then they should upgrade at their expense, building where smoke is profibitated!

That's not going to happen. The Guest is free to reserve a room at a resort that's 'entirely non-smoking' - although the only one I'm aware of at Disney is the Contemporary and Guests are officially permitted to smoke on their balconies - but it's not Disney's responsibility to upgrade Guests with medical issues to other hotels if the Guests choose not to pay for the upgrade.

One would think, Disney magic would take children's health into consideration and ban smoking completely. Surprised they haven't been slapped with a lawsuit over this!

Disney is a business. They already comply with Florida's smoking regulations and restrictions, and in fact go over and above those by limiting smoking to designated areas inside the parks, yet still outdoors (where smoking is still, believe it or not, legally permitted).
You might instead want to look into visiting Disneyland. California has MUCH stricter anti-smoking laws; most, if not all, hotels prohibit smoking entirely anywhere IN the building.

It is also my right to to be really pissed off at Disney CM"s for telling people if they can't have a smoking room, then to smoke outside their doors! Disney is claiming , they never said that.

The toll-free (or the pay-to-call) reservations numbers are staffed by Cast Members who may never have been to Walt Disney World, and who may in fact not even be in Orlando. They will answer your questions with the information provided on their computers. The actual practice could easily be entirely different.

Secondhand smoke is the third leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. killing 38,000 to 65,000 nonsmokers every year.
Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer, other types of cancer, and heart disease in nonsmokers.
Exposure to secondhand smoke can cause children to develop asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia, other respiratory infections, and ear infections. Exposure to secondhand smoke also increase the risk that infants will die of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).

None of that is based on casual ir temporary encounters with cigarette smoke, or with staying in a hotel room that has been smoked in in the past. It applies to people regularly subjected to second-hand smoke - children, infants and non-smokers living in households in which smokers, well, smoke.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

None of that is based on casual ir temporary encounters with cigarette smoke, or with staying in a hotel room that has been smoked in in the past. It applies to people regularly subjected to second-hand smoke - children, infants and non-smokers living in households in which smokers, well, smoke.

Please point out where it makes that distinction.

 

[pugdog]

As a respiratory therapist in a childrens hospital I see the effects of smoking around kids every day. And second hand smoke is the number one reason why kids are admitted. I'm sorry smoking outside or in another room DOES NOT keep the smoke away from your kids. The only way you can keep this away from your kids is to smoke outside then take off your cloths and shower before you even see your kids. You can't beleive the smell that sticks on your cloths.

Most resorts have non smoking buildings or floors, so if your in one of those areas and are a smoker common sense would be that you leave the area and smoke elsewhere. How would you like it if I did something that you really disliked right in front of your room?

EVERY room at WDW thaat I have stayed in that is nonsmoking Has a very large nonsmoking sticker on the door, so noone can say they didn't know.

Currently right now only about 20% of the population in the US smoke. It's to bad that the very vocal minority dictates what happens in this country. Should smoking be banned? I don't think so, after all it is an addiction, but if the smokers of the world would just show some respect and nonsmokers would show it in return maybe we could come to a happy medium between us.