slo’s MONDAY poll - Corned Beef & Cabbage

[soccerdad72]

Corned beef on Saint Patrick’s day is as prevalent as turkey on thanksgiving in some areas.

Ironic, since the original pilgrims would have never eaten turkey either.

 

[ronandannette]

WHAT? Who knew?

So, because someone mentioned it in relation to one country, I cannot make a link to something that happened (with the same product) in another country? The PP's comment brought me back to my childhood reading, so I posted about it. Same way I posted about red cabbage, mentioning my Polish heritage when another poster brought it up in relation to her Russian heritage. Even though...shocker I know...Poland is not Russia.

What false narrative was I promoting in either post?

Wow, you really are out to try to a jerk this week, aren't you?

...and would now be a bad time to mention that St. Patrick was actually English (or maybe Welsh)?

 

[Jangles]

...and would now be a bad time to mention that St. Patrick was actually English (or maybe Welsh)?

This made me laugh aloud. You trouble maker.

 

[SirDuff]

...and would now be a bad time to mention that St. Patrick was actually English (or maybe Welsh)?

Because I honestly don't know...would those countries (with those names) have existed in his time? Or is it more "where he was from would now be considered England (or maybe Wales)"?

 

[ronandannette]

Because I honestly don't know...would those countries (with those names) have existed in his time? Or is it more "where he was from would now be considered England (or maybe Wales)"?

Yes, I think so. I’d have to dive a little deeper to get it exactly right though.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Patrick

 

[Jangles]

Because I honestly don't know...would those countries (with those names) have existed in his time? Or is it more "where he was from would now be considered England (or maybe Wales)"?

Wales definitely existed and given that Saint Patrick’s birth name was Maewyn I think Wales has a chance of claiming him.

 

[Moliphino]

Ironic, since the original pilgrims would have never eaten turkey either.

Yes, they did. They may not have eaten it on Thanksgiving, but they did eat turkey.

 

[fly girl]

I acknowledge that, but when remembering one’s Irish heritage, why not remember actual Irish culture, history and heritage, rather than one’s more recent history, particularly a tradition which only came about because of lack of choice? Clearly a marketing opportunity is being missed by US butchers not selling salted, smoked bacon joints so that Irish-Americans can celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day in an historically accurate way. Eat and enjoy your corned beef, but acknowledge that it was forced upon immigrants and not what your great, great, great grandmother cooked to celebrate St Patrick’s Day.

We did acknowledge! We understand it wasn’t and isn’t what Ireland eats.

However…

You discussed it with accepting and acknowledging our reasoning. You may not agree, but you stated it in a manner that is respectful.

If this was the way the whole thing was originally approached, I don’t feel we would still be discussing it.

 

[Jeannie]

I voted other. LOVE corned beef, but not plain cabbage. I use the cabbage in colcannon!

 

[Jangles]

We did acknowledge! We understand it wasn’t and isn’t what Ireland eats.

However…

You discussed it with accepting and acknowledging our reasoning. You may not agree, but you stated it in a manner that is respectful.

If this was the way the whole thing was originally approached, I don’t feel we would still be discussing it.

I suggest that if almost every time the United States of America was mentioned, the European contingent erroneously referred to Canada or Mexico, eventually Americans may become frustrated. I think this is the root of the problem. And then when you add in stereotypes etc., ….. , well the pot boils over.

 

[soccerdad72]

I suggest that if almost every time the United States of America was mentioned, the European contingent erroneously referred to Canada or Mexico, eventually Americans may become frustrated. I think this is the root of the problem. And then when you add in stereotypes etc., ….. , well the pot boils over.

Next time that happens, feel free to point it out. I don't recall it being an issue around here, but maybe I missed it in the past.

 

[msjprincess]

I suggest that if almost every time the United States of America was mentioned, the European contingent erroneously referred to Canada or Mexico, eventually Americans may become frustrated. I think this is the root of the problem. And then when you add in stereotypes etc., ….. , well the pot boils over.

Have you seen this happen often, in the 3 weeks that you've been here?

 

[Jangles]

Have you seen this happen often, in the 3 weeks that you've been here?

I don’t believe that I have suggested that this problem or lack of knowledge is specific to these Boards. I am sorry that you have interpreted my comments as directed at you. I am merely enjoying participating in an interesting discussion. I politely suggested that empathy is called for, nothing more.https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...e-british-people-are-behind-you-41448855.html

 

[Edeyore]

It is funny during the year I probably only have corned beef and cabbage a couple of times, but I always have it around St. Patrick's Day and
I really do like it.

 

[mikehn]

I'll take fish and chips over corned beef any time. I love it so much I ran out and got some Gortons for good measure.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

I remember my great-grandmother telling a story about her mother, who was the daughter of the immigrants I talked about in an earlier post. They almost never ate stuff associated from the old country she said, because it brought back sad memories.

*Her* parents had not wanted to leave Ireland, but were forced to out of hunger and the staggeringly high rent their English landlord had put on their cottage. They sailed in 1848. Most people would want to re-create the dishes of their homeland, but for my great-great-greats it was too painful. It was only after my great-grandmother's mother married and left the family house that she began to cook and eat 'Irish' food because her husband (who was German, actually) wanted her to. She went to her mother and pretty much forced the recipes out of her. I have my great-great-great grandmother's soda bread recipe because of my *great-great-grandmother's* tenacity. I make it all-year round. It's authentic Irish, but nearly died out because of my immigrant ancestor's wanting to forget and assimilate.

I'm Irish, German, Italian, and Lithuanian. @BadPinkTink, you must realize that Americans, even those who identify as Irish and celebrate St. Patrick's Day, are probably not pure Irish with an Irish identity. We are not a 'melting pot' after all. We have ethnic foods from our ancestors that are probably *not* authentic to someone from that country, but have evolved into what we cook today. We use what we have here readily available, and the recipes passed down have adapted to that because they have to. Nobody is dissing the Irish, or any other ethnicity, just like when I make Bobotie (which I got out of an American cookbook with American ingredients and which my family loves) I'm not dissing African people.

It's a tribute, not a stereotype. Don't you cook anything from another culture?

 

[fly girl]

I suggest that if almost every time the United States of America was mentioned, the European contingent erroneously referred to Canada or Mexico, eventually Americans may become frustrated. I think this is the root of the problem. And then when you add in stereotypes etc., ….. , well the pot boils over.

What on earth???

No one erroneously referred to the Irish celebrating St Paddy's Day dressing up as Lucky Charm leprechauns eating corned beef and cabbage while sipping on a shamrock shake. (yes, I know it isn't called that before the all caps comes out again, I am saying it to prove my point.)

The only root of the problem is failure on BadPinkTink's part to acknowledge why we eat corned beef. Point blank, period. End of story.

And were were empathetic to her Irish traditional meals. I looked up if I could buy that cut of me. Geesh!!

 

[Jangles]

What on earth???

No one erroneously referred to the Irish celebrating St Paddy's Day dressing up as Lucky Charm leprechauns eating corned beef and cabbage while sipping on a shamrock shake. (yes, I know it isn't called that before the all caps comes out again, I am saying it to prove my point.)

The only root of the problem is failure on BadPinkTink's part to acknowledge why we eat corned beef. Point blank, period. End of story.

And were were empathetic to her Irish traditional meals. I looked up if I could buy that cut of me. Geesh!!

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I was suggesting that people empathise with the frustration Irish people feel when others carelessly, and I think it is careless, rather than through malice or lack of knowledge, refer to Ireland as being Great Britain or the U.K. (as in the Sky post I linked). It really is like combining the US with Canada or Mexico, or the Netherlands and Belgium. There was a time when people referred to the Republic of Ireland as Eire, but that seems to have stopped, I don’t know why. I understand the confusion regarding England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland being separate nations but one country, but it is difficult to understand why people forget that the Republic of Ireland is an entirely separate country, with an entirely different government, political system, culture etc.
And, with the greatest respect, your comment regarding the erroneous reference, could be interpreted as unkind cultural stereotyping.
I am sure that the Welsh-Americans in Patagonia eat very different food than the Welsh people in Wales, but that doesn’t mean that Welsh people wouldn’t be frustrated if Welsh-Americans referred to Wales as England, or didn’t want to listen when an opinion was offered that traditional cawl is made with mutton not beef or ate scones instead of Welsh cakes.
At the end of the day, we don’t know what is going on in @badpinktink’s life at the moment, so my mindset is lets be kind, share opinions in a friendly discussion and be willing to speak and listen.
However you celebrate, whatever you chose to eat and drink, I wish you all a very happy Saint Patrick’s Day and hope that the memories you have of your Irish ancestors make you smile.
There are some beautifully written children’s books by Irish author, Marita Conlon-McKenna. Those of you with Irish ancestry may enjoy reading them to your children.

 

[doxdogy]

ITS NOT IRISH , IRISH PEOPLE DONT EAT IT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ST PATRICKS DAY!!!!!!

Don’t like, then step away or just stroll on by. No need to get all worked up over it.
If I want to call it St. Pat’s Day, I will call it St. Pat’s Day.

 

[Moliphino]

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I was suggesting that people empathise with the frustration Irish people feel when others carelessly, and I think it is careless, rather than through malice or lack of knowledge, refer to Ireland as being Great Britain or the U.K. (as in the Sky post I linked). It really is like combining the US with Canada or Mexico, or the Netherlands and Belgium. There was a time when people referred to the Republic of Ireland as Eire, but that seems to have stopped, I don’t know why. I understand the confusion regarding England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland being separate nations but one country, but it is difficult to understand why people forget that the Republic of Ireland is an entirely separate country, with an entirely different government, political system, culture etc.

I've really only heard it from British people who don't want to admit Ireland is an independent country now. But I live in an area with a ton of Irish Americans who are very proud of their roots.