Sitting with kids on the plane

A plausible & reasonable explanation for refusing to move from one aisle seat to another?
Respecfully, while I have my reasons for not changing seats, there is no need for me to inform anyone of those reasons. A simple, "Thank you for asking, but no." should be sufficient - repeated as necessary until the person asking realizes that IS my response.
 
scuba said:
I'm not getting your point, still after all of this are you implaying that despite what a parent might think about how a child would handle flying you would still stick a child in said situation where they are surrounded by strangers uncertain of what to expect.
You are apparently giving none of these children any credit for knowing how to behave in public when separated from a parent by several rows. Thousands of children fly each year as unaccompanied minors. If they can be separated from their parents for several hours and by several vertical and a few hundred or thousand miles, it's not unreasonable that most children can fly several feet away from their parents ON THE RARE OCCASIONS that it may be necessary.
scuba said:
We travel alot, we hear about air travel tragedies alot
Respectfully, would you mind clarifying "a lot"? Flying is the safest mode (as evidenced by, among other things, the FAA allowing lap children over the far more dangerous per mile traveled automobile; and exactly how many air travel tragedies - especially commercial airlines - occur each year, especially in comparison to those same miles-driven statistics) of travel.
 
Respectfully, given the closed secure environment, ten feet doesn't equal unaccompanied.

I disagree. If I cannot see my child (and unless I'm close by I won't be able to) its like leaving him unattended for hours. I would never do that at home. And the person sitting next to him would be just as apt to ignore him completely.
 
I work for an airline- they're not going to seat the young child alone. 20% of the seats are reserved for airport handling, so they will have the flexibility to accomodate requets of people with young kids, and people with disabilites who are seated in restricted areas etc.

Think about it- if you're in 5a and she's in 10c, she's basically an unaccompanied minor. They're not going to allow that . But Drusilla is right- we can override premium seats you can't access online, so try calling. You may be happy you did. :)

how alone do you mean? september 30th we flew out of halifax and we were split up on continental to newark. ds is 2 dd is 4. dh had 17a i had 18a, and the kids were across the aisle in 18b and 18c.

they refused to change it. there was no ifs ands or buts about it. they had a full flight and would not ask anyone to change up or switch us. thankfully one slept and the other moved to sit on daddys lap.
 

You are apparently giving none of these children any credit for knowing how to behave in public when separated from a parent by several rows. Thousands of children fly each year as unaccompanied minors. If they can be separated from their parents for several hours and by several vertical and a few hundred or thousand miles, it's not unreasonable that most children can fly several feet away from their parents ON THE RARE OCCASIONS that it may be necessary.
Respectfully, would you mind clarifying "a lot"? Flying is the safest mode (as evidenced by, among other things, the FAA allowing lap children over the far more dangerous per mile traveled automobile; and exactly how many air travel tragedies - especially commercial airlines - occur each year, especially in comparison to those same miles-driven statistics) of travel.

This is an incredible thread, first I think we are confusing behaving appropriate while sitting alone on a plane VS. a minor having the ability to save ones self and not contribute to others being injured or worse. I regretfully used the word tragedy, I should have used the word mishap, emergency, accident.....anything that would require folks to get off the plane in fashions other than what is normally used, slides, window exits, tailcone exits, add in the old engine fire and smoke in the cabin and that reasonable person you mentioned that might or might not have looked after your kid cannot be found, infact he is already on a bus to the termninal. I cannot tell a reasonable individual simply by looking at them, can you? i'm certainly not going to trust their decisions in knowing what is best for my child in an emergency. I would tend to agree with you that most folks would indeed help a child, but your not going to risk my childs safety on an assumption.

as for the questions you asked from me, we tend to fly about 4 times a year, and considering several 40+ year olds in my family have yet to fly I would consider that fairly frequently, as a dependant of a retired Air force father, aviation has always interested me, because of this I count rows to the nearest exit, actually look and listen to the safety announcements and frequently as questions. Interesting to me is after flying with our daughters I found out that FAA doesn't allow for more than 1 lap sitter in a row, because some aircraft that has 3 seats on one side, there are actually 4 masks that fall....I digress, as for the emergencies I frequently hear about, most recently the Hudson most successful crash? controlled water landing if you will. before that the dash 8 in Newark, France Air 230 airbus, before that a Continental 737 in Denver that skidded off the runway resulting in engine fire and fire in the cabin, and don't even get me started on overseas crashes and accidents.
As for the minors traveling across the country alone, I cannot fathom why we allow this. I did a quick search and found out that most airlines do not 100% take responsibility for the minor and infact very nearly treat them as if they were adults....scary stuff. Again are we believing that these minors in the event of an emergency can indeed save themselves? I hope not...using your reasoning, thousands of children walk across busy streets without getting hurt but I don't advocate it unsupervised...how about swimming? thousands of kids swim each year without killing themselves but i'm not willing to allow my children to swim unsupervised. I work in a very busy ER as a charge nurse and usually a dozen or so minors present to my ER with notes from parents asking us to treat them, seriously treat a medical condition of a minor with a note giving us permission? you have gotta be kidding me?, I think this is negligent in so many ways. never would I send a my kid to the ER without my wife or I and I certainly wouldn't stick them on a plane and send them cross country....yiiiikes

lastly, on the topic of is my kid safer while flying with her next to me as opposed to sitting even 1 row in front of me........absolutely, I put their mask on, I throw them out a window to a waiting life boat in the event of a water ditching, I check to see if their seatbelt is on. Is my kid safer now flying with me right beside her, more so than the minor flying alone. you bet! much safer than assuming that the airlines or a responsible stranger would remotely consider the safety of my child before his or her own safety....for me it's very hard to understand your position because it is in complete contrast to mine and nearly unfathomable to me to assume that someone would take responsibility for my child under duress and panic....wow:confused3
 
Yes, children under fifteen are prohibited from the exit rows - but really, that's among the BEST 'trading card' a passenger in need of seats next to their children can hold. Worst case, if no passenger volunteered to switch seats, the Flight Attendants WOULD move people around!!!

But that are the most expensive seats in EC and I really have to make a lot of effort to book them so why trade them?
Now I realize that this seats could not be extra expensive in the US but who knows what the air lines will think next year of them:lmao:

As for children flying alone I would not worry to much. I have three nephews that flew on there own for years in a row from Singapore and Tokyo to there grandparents in Europe.They were very little as they flew but it was always without any problem. They are now fine young men and flying alone didn't hurt them.:thumbsup2
 
As for the minors traveling across the country alone, I cannot fathom why we allow this. I did a quick search and found out that most airlines do not 100% take responsibility for the minor and infact very nearly treat them as if they were adults....scary stuff.

Well, I allowed it becuase my daughter was invited to spend the summer with her grandmother and wanted to go. I knew statistically she was MUCH safer on the flight from Boston to Denver alone then she was with me in the car going to Boston.
I DO know about plane crashes. My brother in law designs air bags for planes (mostly commercial ones) for a living and has done so for over 10 years. This means he essentially studies plane crashes and emergency landings on a regular basis--and then thinks of how they could be worse. He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about them, and then some. He doesn't hesistate to put his child on a plane either. Of course, we have kids who know to count rows to exits (just like they know to look for exits when they sit in a theatre, etc.) and who read the safety cards, etc. Sadly, I have reason to know that my daughter handles emergencies very well--she does not freak out until well after the fact. I believe she could handle an emergency evacuation of an aircraft better than most adults--myself included. When she was 3, okay not so much, but I didn't have much choice and I had to have a little faith knowing that she was MUCH safer than in a car and honestly, as often as not in a serious car crash the adult in the car is incapacitated and unable to help their child out afterwards, yet we drive daily. But by school age DD (and I believe the vast majority of children) could certainly be trusted to handle basic evacuation instructions. By the time she flew solo across country I knew we took a (small) chance something could go wrong and her direct flight might land somewhere else she could be stuck overnight. We talked about that and about various emergency plans in case that happened and made sure her cell phone had a full charge, she had some cash, etc. Then we let her have some independence and go on an airplane.
Of course, I am the kind of terrible parent who let the two kids (together) come home from summer camp from Berlin alone on the train (5 hours). Being the very American parent I am, we went into the train station in person to buy the tickets and ask if it was allowed for a 10 and 12 year old to travel unaccompanied. I got a baffled look and was asked why it wouldn't be allowed? :rotfl2: My point is not that my kids are better travelers than other kids, because they are not. My point is that kids can handle a lot if we just give them the information they need and do not pass on our irrational fears to them:goodvibes
 
Of course, I am the kind of terrible parent who let the two kids (together) come home from summer camp from Berlin alone on the train (5 hours). being the very American parent I am we went into the train station in person to buy the tickets and ask if it was allowed for a 10 and 12 year old to travel unaccompanied. I got a baffled look and was asked why it wouldn't be allowed:rotfl2:

I can see this happen :lmao: and as you walked away from the ticket office you could hear the German thinking "verruckte Amerikaner"

I'm always amazed how overprotective the US is regarding children. You almost get yailed for waring Speedo's :rotfl2:
 
I can see this happen :lmao: and as you walked away from the ticket office you could hear the German thinking "verruckte Amerikaner"

I'm always amazed how overprotective the US is regarding children. You almost get yailed for waring Speedo's :rotfl2:

:lmao: I had to ask though because I am pretty darned sure in the US it wouldn't be:rotfl2:
Funny story about this: I chaperoned DDs 6th grade class trip last spring (it was only her 3rd week at school and they needed a chaperone so it mades sense for me to go--I swear I do not have to go everywhere with my kids:rolleyes1). It was me, the male teacher and 12 kids from the international school, 8 of whom were American. We arrived at the hostel and the office staff were telling us they had never had anything like this with any other school group. 7 parents had called the hostel in the prior week to ask questions about the hostel, the weather, etc. and a few of the parents called multiplie times. We figured those 7 parents accounted for all the American kids except my own daughter--and I was there:rotfl2:
 
I flew unaccompanied starting when I was about 7. But when you CHOOSE to put your child on a plane unaccompanied, you are making a decision about your child's maturity and ability to handle it. You have prepared your child for the trip. And you wouldn't throw them on the plane alone if they were frightened of the idea (well, at least I hope!) I simply wouldn't put DD on a plane alone -- she's 5, and it hurts her to fly and she needs comfort. Again, I have no issues with her BEHAVIOR -- or my DS's. It's not about thinking my kids are hellions. They are just not ready to be on an airplane alone yet.

My kids, when they are older, will have the chance to fly alone. But at 4? No. Is that even allowed? I thought there was a minimum age.

Anyway, I am now really glad we made sure we picked our seats & I'm grateful that our original flight wasn't cancelled closer to departure so that we couldn't!! I never realized that airlines didn't really care about little ones sitting with an accompanying adult ... nor did I think there were so many callous people who would rather sit next to a sad, crying child than give up their precious airplane seat. Just ... wow. It's a few hours of your life. I just don't get it.
 
This is an incredible thread, first I think we are confusing behaving appropriate while sitting alone on a plane VS. a minor having the ability to save ones self and not contribute to others being injured or worse. I regretfully used the word tragedy, I should have used the word mishap, emergency, accident.....anything that would require folks to get off the plane in fashions other than what is normally used, slides, window exits, tailcone exits, add in the old engine fire and smoke in the cabin and that reasonable person you mentioned that might or might not have looked after your kid cannot be found, infact he is already on a bus to the termninal. I cannot tell a reasonable individual simply by looking at them, can you? i'm certainly not going to trust their decisions in knowing what is best for my child in an emergency. I would tend to agree with you that most folks would indeed help a child, but your not going to risk my childs safety on an assumption.

as for the questions you asked from me, we tend to fly about 4 times a year, and considering several 40+ year olds in my family have yet to fly I would consider that fairly frequently, as a dependant of a retired Air force father, aviation has always interested me, because of this I count rows to the nearest exit, actually look and listen to the safety announcements and frequently as questions. Interesting to me is after flying with our daughters I found out that FAA doesn't allow for more than 1 lap sitter in a row, because some aircraft that has 3 seats on one side, there are actually 4 masks that fall....I digress, as for the emergencies I frequently hear about, most recently the Hudson most successful crash? controlled water landing if you will. before that the dash 8 in Newark, France Air 230 airbus, before that a Continental 737 in Denver that skidded off the runway resulting in engine fire and fire in the cabin, and don't even get me started on overseas crashes and accidents.
As for the minors traveling across the country alone, I cannot fathom why we allow this. I did a quick search and found out that most airlines do not 100% take responsibility for the minor and infact very nearly treat them as if they were adults....scary stuff. Again are we believing that these minors in the event of an emergency can indeed save themselves? I hope not...using your reasoning, thousands of children walk across busy streets without getting hurt but I don't advocate it unsupervised...how about swimming? thousands of kids swim each year without killing themselves but i'm not willing to allow my children to swim unsupervised. I work in a very busy ER as a charge nurse and usually a dozen or so minors present to my ER with notes from parents asking us to treat them, seriously treat a medical condition of a minor with a note giving us permission? you have gotta be kidding me?, I think this is negligent in so many ways. never would I send a my kid to the ER without my wife or I and I certainly wouldn't stick them on a plane and send them cross country....yiiiikes

lastly, on the topic of is my kid safer while flying with her next to me as opposed to sitting even 1 row in front of me........absolutely, I put their mask on, I throw them out a window to a waiting life boat in the event of a water ditching, I check to see if their seatbelt is on. Is my kid safer now flying with me right beside her, more so than the minor flying alone. you bet! much safer than assuming that the airlines or a responsible stranger would remotely consider the safety of my child before his or her own safety....for me it's very hard to understand your position because it is in complete contrast to mine and nearly unfathomable to me to assume that someone would take responsibility for my child under duress and panic....wow:confused3


I totally agree with everything you wrote. I got involved with a similar thread a few months back when Airtran didn't have two seats together to purchase. (it did work out by the way even though they said it was a full flight no one took the middle seats in our row)

But anyways..I was completely amazed at the opinions of posters on this topic. Either they don't have children or forget the abilites (or lack thereof) of a 4/5 year old. Or they don't really comprehend the dangers involved in air travel and think oh that can't possibly happen to me. I always count the rows to the exit when ever I get on a plane...as well as strap my child in a carseat.
 
how alone do you mean? september 30th we flew out of halifax and we were split up on continental to newark. ds is 2 dd is 4. dh had 17a i had 18a, and the kids were across the aisle in 18b and 18c.

they refused to change it. there was no ifs ands or buts about it. they had a full flight and would not ask anyone to change up or switch us. thankfully one slept and the other moved to sit on daddys lap.

You had three seats in a row (admittedly with an aisle in the middle). Given that A and B where on different sides of the aisle it must have been a 1x2 plane. There is no way that you could have had seats any closer together.

Unless you have your letters wrong?
 
When you check in at the gate, talk to the agents about your seating issue (the earlier you get there the better - better chance of someone getting moved vs. begging people to swap seats).

I've given up my seat in the past to a family who got separated and would hope that someone would do the same for my family if I needed it.
 
But anyways..I was completely amazed at the opinions of posters on this topic. Either they don't have children or forget the abilites (or lack thereof) of a 4/5 year old. Or they don't really comprehend the dangers involved in air travel and think oh that can't possibly happen to me. I always count the rows to the exit when ever I get on a plane...as well as strap my child in a carseat.

Perhaps some of us just have different opinions:confused3
 
Perhaps...I'm all for different opinions..but when your different opinion requires me to "trust you" that you'll take care of my child in an emergency its imposing on my opinion. ;-)
 
Perhaps...I'm all for different opinions..but when your different opinion requires me to "trust you" that you'll take care of my child in an emergency its imposing on my opinion. ;-)

And when your opinion requires someone to give up a seat that they paid for its imposing on their opinion ;-)

I don't have an opinion about *needing* (or not *needing) to sit beside your child. I definitely have an opinion about those who say that they won't (and shouldn't have to) pay to sit next to their child, but still think it should be guaranteed.
 
Perhaps...I'm all for different opinions..but when your different opinion requires me to "trust you" that you'll take care of my child in an emergency its imposing on my opinion. ;-)

I never said you HAD to trust me (nor did I ever suggest anyone needed to, or should, trust a stranger to take care of their child on a plane). But I was one of the people who said I trusted MY children (and think most children could be trusted) at that age when they needed to sit alone. DD sat alone at 3 and at 4 (under very trying circumstances) and DS at 4 as well. At that point I certainly had not forgotten what kids that age were like;). I find it a little offensive that you just assume then I must have a "this will never happen to me attitude" (not so, really--I take many sensible precautions and I worry all the darn time; I am very prone to anxiety) OR that I do not understand the possible dangers of air travel (as I explained before I am related to someone who studies that for a living--in fact DSiL was also working on airline litigation full time when my children were preschoolers so we DID hear about every wreck, emergency landing, etc that happened during that time from two well informed sources. The kids and I were also on a freak set of flights when they were 2 and 4 where the first plane's door did not seal properly and we had to turn around and land. DS had major issues with his ears for the next several flights after that due to the extreme pressure change we went through. The replacement plane on that same trip had an engine go out and made an emergency landing in Dallas while we waited for a third plane. So yes, I know things can happen. I had been on planes that things DID happen on. I still did not pitch a fit when my kids had to be seperated from me. I looked at the odds and decided it was as good a call as any I could make. We also still drive in cars, and the kids still went to school, and we occassionally made a dash for the car in a rain storm--taking our chances with the lightening., etc.)

For the record I have given up my seat to parents who "need" to be with children many times (what is the cut off age for this need? everyone sees that differently). I think there is nothing wrong with a parent wanting to sit with their child. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with being so adamant about it that you deplane if it cannot happen (and if you paid to be together and cannot sit together I think it is very appropriate to take it up with the airline at that point). I do think it is wrong to force someone else to move to accomidate what you feel is safest for your child (as you point out--your child's safety is not some stranger's concern), or to insult someone who does not move or ask them to justify why they will not.
 
I totally agree with everything you wrote. I got involved with a similar thread a few months back when Airtran didn't have two seats together to purchase. (it did work out by the way even though they said it was a full flight no one took the middle seats in our row)

But anyways..I was completely amazed at the opinions of posters on this topic. Either they don't have children or forget the abilites (or lack thereof) of a 4/5 year old. Or they don't really comprehend the dangers involved in air travel and think oh that can't possibly happen to me. I always count the rows to the exit when ever I get on a plane...as well as strap my child in a carseat.

Just because I don't have children doesn't mean you should be amazed at my opinion.

True, it's pretty awesome, but amazement is on a whole other level.

Take a second and think about the statement: It would be like me saying "Either these Mother's forget that we are in a public situation where planning was required or they forget the fact that there are other people who might have a disability. Or who might have paid for a window seat for a reason. Or who needs to sit on the aisle so they feel ok. They really must not comprehend the dangers of airtravel if they're willing to risk their little darling, because if a plane is taking a nosedive, I don't think the carseat is going to be of much help."


Now to my real opinion: You have choices. You can wait it out to see if 2 seats open up together, you can call airtran to switch a flight, you can show up and cross your fingers that someone is nice (which I'm sure will happen) or you can get there, find no 2 seats together and deboard.

Lack of your planning doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.
 
For what is worth.. Its not a lack of planning...there have been multiple instances of persons taking all the necessary precautions and not getting the seat they had "planned" on. Its wrong to assume that a person didn't plan..you have no idea what the actual circumstances are.

This is an airline responsibility..It should not be up to the passengers on the plane to duke it out as to who sits where or who has to move. If you purchase a ticket on a plane you are purchasing a seat on that plane and if you are with traveling companions the airline NEEDs to assume you want to sit together and should do everything in their power to accomodate that. This was never a problem back in the day when you purchased your tickets and you were given seat assignments with that purchase. They need to go back to that system and move away from charging for everything they can. You WILL start to see airlines charging for lavatory..

As for playing the "odds" as to whether your child will be in an emergency.. and being okay with that. I don't even know what to say. I get it that car travel is more dangerous, but everything I can control with car travel i do. Car seats, drive the speed limit, don't let myself get distracted. etc. You are limited with what you can control with air travel..but sitting next to your children to take care of them is certainly basic.
 


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom