Sick of the upper class bashing

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My expenses deal mainly with my allergies. As stated before my soap cost $8 per bottle. I have no other choice in soap. Everything else breaks me out. Because of this, I have to carry it with me where ever I go. Meaning, I use more of my soap that I buy than people that don't stay home all day. Meaning, I have to buy it more often. This is just 1 thing. I also have to use certain shampoo, conditioner, certain makeup, certain lotion, etc. Any thing that touches my skin I have to be extremely careful of or I break out in itchy, red hives that also hurt. And what I can actually use is not found in the local dollar shops. And they tend to be more expensive. This is just a huge part of my expenses. I also have allergy medicine to buy every week.
I buy most of my own food,too. Not my father. Because of my lack of transportation, I can only go to Wal-Mart to shop.
I do give my father some money to help with household expenses such as gas, lights, etc. But it's no where near what rent would cost me.
But, I can not save up much if any money after my expenses. I do not go out to eat, I don't go out. Period. I do buy extras of items that I know I need to stock up for when I know I won't be working.
I also have over $60,000 in debt that I can't pay. Half of it was due to medical bills and it doubled due to fees and finance charges. I can't even save enough money to file for bankruptcy.

I used to have a second job. But both places that I worked at part time closed. I don't get home from my full time job until about 6:30. Every place around here closes about 8 pm. They will not hire someone to work only 1.5 hr at night or only weekends. I've already tried.
The only other places nearby are restaurants, which I can't work at since just the smell of certain foods make me physically ill. There is also Wal-Mart, but they also won't hire me because I can't work during their particular schedule. My father can't give me a ride anywhere else because he works from early afternoon to 11pm.
So, I'm stuck.

I have sold stuff on the internet, but most of what I have now, no one wants. I've had a few things listed on a couple sites for about 3-4 years. I have nothing of value to most people.

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I can tell by your posts you're struggling, and just wanted to say hang in there.
 
Not everybody subscribes to the idea that people are successful only because they were blessed by God or got lucky. People like myself believe that people get where they do based on the amount of work they are willing to put in and that we make their own luck.

So you'd be in the same place in life if you were born in a developing country, or in a different economic status, with a different health, surrounded by different people, etc, etc? Do you HONESTLY truly believe that people who have less put in less, and if you believe that have you ever left the bubble you live in?

My post was not at all about comparisons. I was pointing out that my FIL really believes (as you seem to) that he is entitled to everything he has and that other people who have less, which is about 95% of the whole world, put less in. I think hes wrong and gave an example of why. I'm assuming statistically given where he falls on the US income scale (and may be wrong) that he has alot more than you. He would think you don't deserve it. I don't know maybe he is right afterall.
 
Well, maybe I am being a little oversensitive today or something. I did just have lunch and I feel much better.:lmao:

Anyway, what I think I am trying to say is that people refer to people homes as McMansions and they drive such and such car.....it is all said with such distaste and I cannot understand it.

Any political thread you will surely see it. The "rich" people and their blah blah blah. As if just because people have money, they are the devil or something. Because don't you know that all "rich" people are selfish corporate hogs? That is just the vibe I get.

Maybe there is poverty trashing as well but I certainly don't see people referring to them with such distaste or at least calling their cars and homes little names. Maybe I am wrong
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Kristine

Have you ever seen the distaste with which people refer to those who live in manufactured homes or trailers? I've seen tons of negative comments. If somebody behaves in a bad way, they are called "trailer trash" whether or not they even live in one. I'm just making a point....I've seen bashing on both ends of the spectrum. Sure, people comment about the obnoxious McMansions. But people also comment about trailers and they make a lot of judgments about people who live in such homes. I think it is sad either way to judge people in that way, but I definitely think that bashing occurs more against those with little money.
 
Cteddiesgirl - There's a thread over on the budget board where they do demos in stores such as Wal-Mart and Target on the weekends. I think that thread said they pay $75 per event? If you're really struggling, I would reccommend giving that a shot.
 

Upper Class

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In the end it does not matter. It's about family, happiness, and enjoying your time while your here. Money is just paper......friends and family are so much more.

"And in the end, its not the years in a life, but the life in the years."
 
So you'd be in the same place in life if you were born in a developing country, or in a different economic status, with a different health, surrounded by different people, etc, etc? Do you HONESTLY truly believe that people who have less put in less, and if you believe that have you ever left the bubble you live in?

My post was not at all about comparisons. I was pointing out that my FIL really believes (as you seem to) that he is entitled to everything he has and that other people who have less, which is about 95% of the whole world, put less in. I think hes wrong and gave an example of why. I'm assuming statistically given where he falls on the US income scale (and may be wrong) that he has alot more than you. He would think you don't deserve it. I don't know maybe he is right afterall.


I have heard two stories that really stuck with me.

One, an older woman was in distress because her two older sons had rejected her youngest son because he was not successful. They commuted to New York's financial district, lived in very the posh suburbs of New Jersey, and had important friends to impress. Their brother did not fit into their world.

Alas, her youngest son was a (gasp , horrors!!!) high school art teacher.

A second, very similar story was of a colleague who's son told her he was ashamed of her. He blamed her for his lack of "fitting in" with the wealthier kids. She was a divorced mother, and had a master's degree in social work. She was very well known in the state as one of the best psychotherapists for treating sexually abused children. She started many programs.

These are the attitudes that disturb people like me. People who believe that their salary makes them better than others.

But if your house is on fire---you'll call a middle class firefighter.

If your mother is dying---her hand will be held by a middle class nurse or a poor struggling nurse's aid.

If your child needs tutoring, he'll be tutored by a middle class teacher.

You get the picture. Thank God for people who pursue more than the almighty dollar. Where would the world be without them?
 
I just read the first few posts of the thread, but I saw McManions mentioned quite a bit.

For anyone that wants a definition, ask Rep. John Dingell of Michigan. He defines a McMansion as any house over 3000 square feet.
 
So you'd be in the same place in life if you were born in a developing country, or in a different economic status, with a different health, surrounded by different people, etc, etc? Do you HONESTLY truly believe that people who have less put in less, and if you believe that have you ever left the bubble you live in?

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I never have & never will understand this way of thinking. I have worked "HARD" and even "SMART", and yes I have been succesful (by my standards)....BUT I also realise that I had many 'breaks' along the way and at times "been in the right place at the right time". I have been lucky and do realize this.

For ever person who has worked hard and has been successful, there are thousands who worked just as hard or harder and have nothing to show for it.:confused3

Luck DOES come into play. And I never met any successful person who had accomplished anything on their own.
 
I just read the first few posts of the thread, but I saw McManions mentioned quite a bit.

For anyone that wants a definition, ask Rep. John Dingell of Michigan. He defines a McMansion as any house over 3000 square feet.

Well, I guess that leaves me off the McMansion list. :rotfl:
 
Cteddiesgirl - There's a thread over on the budget board where they do demos in stores such as Wal-Mart and Target on the weekends. I think that thread said they pay $75 per event? If you're really struggling, I would reccommend giving that a shot.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to check it out.


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Well I looked some.
For the company I saw that does these, Mass Connections, their website says:
What are the physical requirements necessary to apply?
The physical requirements and essential functions of the projects include the ability to stand for a minimum of five hours, the ability to lift and carry twenty-five pounds without assistance, and the ability to reach a minimum shelf height of seventy-two inches.
I'm 4'7" (55") and on my tiptoes can't reach 72". :(

I'll have to look some more there.
 
This is sort of off topic, but Dh had a friend that would constantly quote his purchase price of every big item he bought. Drove me crazy. I guess he was trying to impress people??? Anyway, I've found the people that talk about what they have..usually have very little in the bank. Those who are wealthy and don't flaunt it are usually very understated and wonderful people. A car saleman friend tells us those who come in wearing fancy clothes and flashy jewelry have the worst credit, and the average "Joe" wearing a ball cap and sweatshirt has the good credit. Go figure!


Bingo:thumbsup2
This is exactly what my Grandmother used to say. Those who actually have money in the bank go about their day quietly, not flaunting it. I was raised that way as it is considered in very poor taste to discuss finances and material things openly in my family.
Only the DIS understands my Disney obsession, the rest of my family thinks I need my head examined!
 
Upper Class

Lower Class


In the end it does not matter. It's about family, happiness, and enjoying your time while your here. Money is just paper......friends and family are so much more.

"And in the end, its not the years in a life, but the life in the years
."

:thumbsup2
 
I just read the first few posts of the thread, but I saw McManions mentioned quite a bit.

For anyone that wants a definition, ask Rep. John Dingell of Michigan. He defines a McMansion as any house over 3000 square feet.


LOL - I guess that puts me on the McMansion list - Even though it's an old farm house sitting in the middle of the woods after travelling down miles of dirt road with the closest neighbor a half mile away.
Personally, I think that definition needs a little tweaking.
 
I haven't read through this entire thread, so I'm sure this has been said before.

If you put it out here, and it's the least bit controversial, expect to be bashed. If you can't handle that, don't say it.

I don't judge people by their possessions/jobs/looks. I do, however, judge people by their attitutes. There is nothing wrong with having a nice house, a nice car, nice vacations, etc. But if you're so insecure in those things that you have to come here and rub noses in it, such as announcing to everyone that you are paying a ridiculously inflated price to rent a pretentious car, or how you simply must stay concierge level and then be sure to put it all over your signature :snooty: , because you have some deep-seated need to show off, then expect what you get.
 
Hmmm. Guess I don't live in a McMansion -- MAYBE a Happy Meal :lmao: My house (for my family of 6) is 1200 sq feet.
 
My post was not at all about comparisons. I was pointing out that my FIL really believes (as you seem to) that he is entitled to everything he has and that other people who have less, which is about 95% of the whole world, put less in. I think hes wrong and gave an example of why. I'm assuming statistically given where he falls on the US income scale (and may be wrong) that he has alot more than you. He would think you don't deserve it. I don't know maybe he is right afterall.

Nice shot there at the end. :sad2:

Beyond that you obviously have no idea so it would be best to stop trying to guess.
 
Thanks for the info. I'll have to check it out.


*Edit*
Well I looked some.
For the company I saw that does these, Mass Connections, their website says:
What are the physical requirements necessary to apply?
The physical requirements and essential functions of the projects include the ability to stand for a minimum of five hours, the ability to lift and carry twenty-five pounds without assistance, and the ability to reach a minimum shelf height of seventy-two inches.
I'm 4'7" (55") and on my tiptoes can't reach 72". :(

I'll have to look some more there.


Have you looked into doing call center work from your home? There are several people on the Budget board who do this--they work as few as four and as many as 40 hours a week and more or less set their hours with the company. I think it pays $7-10 an hour--tha tmight be a great solution for you, you could work 7-11 a couple evenings a week and an 8 hour weekend shift. Even at $7 an hour you'd probably earn $80 a week after taxes for working from home--that's some decent cash! Good luck!
 
Back when I was trying to get into college without my parents' help, I couldn't get those kinds of loans because THEY made too much money, despite the fact that they wouldn't help me. The only loans available to me were the credit worthy ones. I had to wait until I was (I believe) 24... maybe 25 before I could apply for those loans! I don't know if it's still that way or not. But for a lot of people, waiting until they're 25 is difficult, and they might have other things going on in their lives at that point (for me, it was being a single mother struggling to put food on the table).

That WIC food was mighty tasty. ;) We were sure living high on the hog.

I don't know about then, but now Stafford Loans are not income, asset, or credit restricted.
 
I haven't read through this entire thread, so I'm sure this has been said before.

If you put it out here, and it's the least bit controversial, expect to be bashed. If you can't handle that, don't say it.

I don't judge people by their possessions/jobs/looks. I do, however, judge people by their attitutes. There is nothing wrong with having a nice house, a nice car, nice vacations, etc. But if you're so insecure in those things that you have to come here and rub noses in it, such as announcing to everyone that you are paying a ridiculously inflated price to rent a pretentious car, or how you simply must stay concierge level and then be sure to put it all over your signature :snooty: , because you have some deep-seated need to show off, then expect what you get.

I'm assuming you are talking about my saying I was going to rent an expensive car when we are in Hawaii. I stated the daily cost only to put it in perspective with Dawn's comment about not wanting to leave a nice resort. You have decided to take it out of context.

As far as a "ridiculously inflated price to rent a pretentious car," don't you think everyone who visits WDW isn't paying a ridiculously inflated price for their vacation? I don't see the problem with wanting to rent a special car for a special trip. It's no different than someone who spends a ton of money to swim with dolphins, take a helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon, or spend their entire vacation gambling in Vegas. It's an experience, something we want to do, and I don't understand why you find it so utterly offensive.

To each their own--I want to rent a "ridiculously inflated price to rent a pretentious car." What does it matter to you? Do I criticize those who choose to go to a State Park with their tent for vacation? Of course not! If that's what they enjoy, then I'm REALLY happy for them. It's not my cup of tea, but then again what is my cup of tea is not other peoples.

Your comment "ridiculously inflated price to rent a pretentious car" is EXACTLY what this thread is about. You sure seem to be doing PLENTY of judging and bashing.
 
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