Should the Pope apologize??

[Laura]

The website I posted before has an interesting page. These stories are written by those raised in Islam. They have REASONS for finding fault in it. They didn't leave because they had a political agenda. They left because they found it to be incompatible with their values. Even if you disagree with me, you might want to give their stories a read.

http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm

Link doesn't work. Doesn't prove anything negative about Islam, anyway. I left Christianity. I had reason to find fault with it, and I didn't leave because I had a political agenda. I left because I found it incompatible with my values. So what?

Brits are converting Islam in droves, particularly women.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/british_women.htm
I guess this scares the crap out of you. Me, as long as they aren't fundamentalists, I couldn't care less.

 

[Charade]

Here is my rant. Please do not read if easily offended.

Are muslims ever NOT "outraged" by something?

J C, muslims must be WAY too sensitive or something because it seems that Islamic countries are flooded with MASSIVE protests/demonstrations etc... every single time a less than flattering statement about Islam/Mohammed is uttered in public.

I mean seriously, don't these blanking people have jobs? How do they get all this time off work to go protest and burn crap at the drop of a hat? And what are they protesting anyway? Who cares what the pope said? They're not christians anyway so write him off as a kook and go back to work.

Hey dimwits, quit shaking your fist at everyone the looks at you funny and get on with your lives.

Shrubber for President! Shrubber for... eh, hold that. Been there already.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I left Christianity. I had reason to find fault with it, and I didn't leave because I had a political agenda. I left because I found it incompatible with my values. So what?

And there isn't anyone hunting you down and trying to behead you, is there? For people who leave Islam, especially women,that's not the case.

 

[yeartolate]

Yes Sir, the religion of peace at work.

Is it your assertion that this group speaks for most Muslims?

Do you think all CHristian groups are non violent and do not spew hatred?

 

[shrubber]

Muslim outrage flows so strongly and comes on so easily that it's meaningless anymore. It's like a little kid who crys everytime he gets bumped/scrapped/pinched. You know the kind I'm talking about. You start ignoring his cries because they are rarely ever warranted.

IMAO The Pope should tell them to get bent or get stuffed...whichever his Popiness prefers.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

we're in the early days of consequences yet.

Nope. This story is probably about done. I'm sure the usual Muslim factions will be glad to kill a few more people first and then stage riots in the streets of all the usual places, featuring lots of people holding up signs saying "Death to ______" and such things. By next week this time we won't be talking about this any more. Then in another week or two or three someone somewhere will say or do something that causes another wave of liberal hyserics here in the west and bloodshed in the Middle East. I'm not saying its right; it's just the way it is.

 

[yeartolate]

Muslim outrage flows so strongly and comes on so easily that it's meaningless anymore. It's like a little kid who crys everytime he gets bumped/scrapped/pinched. You know the kind I'm talking about. You start ignoring his cries because they are rarely ever warranted.

IMAO The Pope should tell them to get bent or get stuffed...whichever his Popiness prefers.

I am sorry, but I have heard my fair share of outrage and whining from Christians as well. It is not unique to Muslims. It is a matter of perception.

 

[eclectics]

Sure, we all get upset to different degrees and what upsets you doesn't upset me. But we should all agree that a batter shouldn't go out an thrash the pitcher with his baseball bat because he said something the batter didn't like (right or wrong). If this were an normal case of aggressive behavior, we'd recommend anger management sessions. Since it's religiously based, we have to be more understanding and mindful of what we say.

I agree. That was basically my point.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Christianity is, and has been since before the Crusades, a bloody and violent religion.

"No it's not! The Bible says 'Thou Shalt Not Kill..."

"Now go shoot that abortion doctor..."

Yeah... the men's group over at my church making plans right now to shoot a few docs, and then they're gonna bomb the mall. Puh-leeeeze....

 

[shrubber]

I am sorry, but I have heard my fair share of outrage and whining from Christians as well. It is not unique to Muslims. It is a matter of perception.

Muslim suicide bomber blows up schoolchildren gettin teddy bears, Happened just a few hours ago.
Ya know what, seems pretty unique to muslims lately. No real room to mis- percieve.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/18/afghanistan/index.html

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Do you think all CHristian groups are non violent and do not spew hatred?

It is a ridiculously small percentage of Christians who doThe percentage is so small that it''s hardly worth talking about. They are idiots; they are dangerous; they should shut up and go home.
Now Muslims on the other hand.... they seem to break out in a street party in every city in the Muslim world when someone whispers something less than flattering about anything they are remotely associated with.

 

[ead79]

The thing that concerns me the most is the number of violent protesters that spring up whenever someone says something that might be considered offensive. If a person claiming to be a Christian blows up an abortion clinic, you don't see news footage of hundreds of thousands of Christians around the world rallying in support of the clinic bomber. You see a denunciation of the atrocious act of terrorism, just as you absolutely should. I'm not saying there aren't a couple of people claiming to represent Christianity that promote violence, but there seem to be a large number of Muslims who find terrorist acts or the killing of anyone not Islamic to be perfectly acceptable. I realize that most Muslims do NOT feel this way, but the estimated 5-10% of Muslims that are considered to be extreme is a pretty large sized group of people. I don't understand why moderate Muslims aren't more vocal in their condemnation of terrorists acts and calling for the killing of someone who offended the group. I have no problem with peaceful protests, but calling for the killing of someone you disagree with is not at all peaceful.

 

[dcentity2000]

We must remember that the media coverage is not representative either which way. The majority of people just want tomorrow to follow today, a chance to grow old and to raise children in a safe environment.



Rich::

 

[LuvDuke]

*Slightly* off topic, but can the Pope actually resign? I don't think that he should, I'm just curious?



Rich::

A pope can resign or abdicate. Off hand, I don't know if it's ever happened, but there's nothing in canon law preventing it.

 

[dcentity2000]

A pope can resign or abdicate. Off hand, I don't know if it's ever happened, but there's nothing in canon law preventing it.

I've got a good one

The Pope is always right, right? So, what if he says "all Roman Catholics lie all the time"?



Rich::

 

[shrubber]

10% of 1.2 billion = 120 million maniacs who think you and your country and your children and pets, are the Great Satan and must be destroyed.

 

[LuvDuke]

Being a Catholic, I take offense to the idea that religion is a problem. However, it's pretty ok to insult religion in this country. In many cases, you could believe that it was encouraged, as long as you don't insult Islam or Judaism.

Saying religion is the problem would mean that we ignore any good that has been done in the name of religion, like the first AID's hospices in NY being set up by the NY Archdiocese, or Mother Theresa's work with the poor. From what I read in the Times, the first real help to show up in Louisiana were religious organizations-WAY ahead of FEMA. Yes, religion has its problems, but as I said earlier-ALL have sinned. I don't condemn the religon for the acts of a small minority of it's followers. I DO condemn the leaders of the religion when they do not speak out against the violent acts of it's followers, and that's my issue here.

Excuse me, but my opinion is just that, an opinion. My right to express my feelings about religion is found in the 1st amendment in the Constitution. I don't have to respect anyone's religious belief. I just have to respect their right to have on. And if that offends you, well this is still America where you have the right to be offended but not put out my eye or cut out my tongue.

 

[LuvDuke]

Did he apologize for what? Being a member of Hitler Youth?

Oh good God, now it really goes down the crapper. You had to do it! You had to bring Hitler into this!

You are a .............

 

[simpilotswife]

Thank goodness that's all he apologized for. Too bad he even did that, but I'm so glad to see it's that it's only an "i'm sorry people are upset with my speech" type of apology.

Well then you can continue to be proud.

I don't understand your second paragraph. Clearly you are trying to point out how the Catholic church is all of these negative things you've mentioned. But, why don't I see any liberals condemn the mosques for being all of the above AND MORE? Why don't I see the liberals condemn Islam for being more than just discriminatory against homosexuality, for not allowing women to protect themselves in so many ways? For permitting women to be treated like chattel? For permitting corporal punishment against women when deemed necessary?

You would have understood my second paragraph if you had read the post where someone commented to me as to JPII's apology for Catholic sinners. My point is that he apologized for Catholic sinners but sin is a relative term and what could really be included as a sin. He condoned things that I consider to be a sin, he denounced things that I don't so we can't really agree on that apology.

As for condeming them for their practices, it's no worse than what the Catholic church did. It may not have been as recent but the Catholic church did all of that in the past-well except for Africa where women are not allowed to use condoms to protect themselves against AIDS.

The Catholic church may not approve of some things some find controversial, but the Church certainly doesn't brand one an apostate under the punishment of death, and they certainly don't consider all the discussion about these things blasphemy, as Islam certainly considers these types of discussions.

No? Maybe not today but they are certainly more than guilty of those same actions in the past.

Imagine a whole group of women attempting to demand equal rights including modernizing the Mosques and permitting women to become Imams. Do you think it would be under any discussion at all?

I know.....why that might be like trying to allow women to become priests or something. The nerve!!

 

[ford family]

As for condeming them for their practices, it's no worse than what the Catholic church did. It may not have been as recent but the Catholic church did all of that in the past.

Remember, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

ford family