Should the Pope apologize??

[declansdad]

The Pope did not say (or post) any remarks about Mohammed or anybody else. The words in question were a quote from someone in history. Period.

He could apologize for a poor choice of quotes, but still...

Isn't it ironic that these nuts (who are fire-bombing Christian churches) are bent out of shape over being accused of being violent?

Their actions aren't exactly proving the original quote to be inaccurate.

I didn't say that he said them but rather he used the quote. No matter how harmless, those words would cause problems.

 

[yeartolate]

Yeah, you know the ones in the streets screaming and burning churches.

If you are infering that all Muslims are savages, that apology should come from you.

 

[need_a_Disney_fix]

Frankly I am tired of the whole world walking on eggshells for fear that we might offend the Muslims.

I am entitled to my beliefs, which include allowing others to believe as they choose AS LONG AS THEIR BELIEFS AND/OR ACTIONS DON'T INFRINGE UPON MY RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS (and killing me would do so...) and their actions are consistent in cementing my way of thinking.

Why are the so-called "peaceful" Muslims so silent? And not just this time, but always???

I had a good friend when I was younger who is Muslim. He used to joke about the Jihad. Well, I thought he was joking. Maybe he wasn't....

I don't live in fear of them. I just don't. I am right with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and if I am called home to Him at any time I am ready. There is a better place waiting for me. I believe that wholeheartedly.

They can believe whatever they want but when they start using my religious leader as a puppet for their lunacy then, in my opinion, they can go straight to hell. I hope that the Pope doesn't apologize. The fate of the world is in God's hands.

Thank you...good Lord.

 

[need_a_Disney_fix]

If you are infering that all Muslims are savages, that apology should come from you.

Whatever. I have had it up to here.

 

[disneyfan67]

I'm curious Dawn, does calling Muslims savages help make the world a better place?

No it won't but appeasement and looking the other way seems to work, at least temporarily.

That's what it seems some on this board would do. Everytime this subject gets brought up, I always see the same replies from the left wingers on this site and those of us who are trully worried about this problem (like me) are accused of wanting to wipe an entire religion out or some other nonsense.

I saw this reply from eclectics and wanted to comment on it because I see it a lot from the left leaning members on this board. Oh, btw, eclectics I'm not picking on you or trying to demean you in anyway, I'm just using a recent example and yours was it.

I said before I don't have the answers. I just feel that overeaction on our part probably isn't the best idea. You have to consider our position in the world right now, and no, I don't want to start that debate, but it's something we can't sweep under the rug. What do you propose? Just exactly who and what do we "go after" and how do we do it?

Well, my friend you and your fellow Democrats better have an answer and I hope it's a good one. It looks like your party is in a postion to take real power with the upcomming elections in 06 and 08 and this Islam issue isn't going to fade away, in fact it's going to be a major test for our nation in the near future. P/C answers and talking about how all religions have their radicals, showing how violent Christianity was in the past 2000 years, isn't going to cut it.

An attack is comming and is just a matter of time and this issue is not going to simply go away with a change in the WH. The current President hasn't really done enough to secure our borders, ports, power grids, etc, IMO, and this worries me. If your side refuses to see how dangerous Islam is becoming and how much power they are obtaining, then this country is in more trouble than it currently is now. The American people will expect leadership not appeasement when the next attack occurs. Hand wringing and skirting this issue with P/C talk isn't going to cut it.

The ball will soon be in your court and I'm curious how the Democrats will run with it. Will your side be Winston Churchill on this issue or Neville Chamberlain?

I hope it isn't the latter of the two.


My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.

Neville Chamberlain
September 1938

 

[Disney Doll]

I find it ironic that the muslims are using violence to protest a comment made by the Pope that Islam uses evil and violent means to spread their religion. What does that say about the accuracy of the Pope's statement?

I sort of thought the same thing. They are mad because the Pope basically alluded to the fact that it is a religion infused with violence, and they threaten to react to his statements with violence.

I don't know enough about the Muslim religion or its history to know if the Pope's statements are accurate, but I haven't heard much of an outcry from the "good" Muslims all over the world with regard to what their "bad" brothers have done over the past 20 years in terms of terrorist activity.

Just my observaitons.

 

[Uncle Remus]

No it won't but appeasement and looking the other way seems to work, at least temporarily.

That's what it seems some on this board would do. Everytime this subject gets brought up, I always see the same replies from the left wingers on this site and those of us who are trully worried about this problem (like me) are accused of wanting to wipe an entire religion out or some other nonsense.

I saw this reply from eclectics and wanted to comment on it because I see it a lot from the left leaning members on this board. Oh, btw, eclectics I'm not picking on you or trying to demean you in anyway, I'm just using a recent example and yours was it.


Well, my friend you and your fellow Democrats better have an answer and I hope it's a good one. It looks like your party is in a postion to take real power with the upcomming elections in 06 and 08 and this Islam issue isn't going to fade away, in fact it's going to be a major test for our nation in the near future. P/C answers and talking about how all religions have their radicals, showing how violent Christianity was in the past 2000 years, isn't going to cut it.

An attack is comming and is just a matter of time and this issue is not going to simply go away with a change in the WH. The current President hasn't really done enough to secure our borders, ports, power grids, etc, IMO, and this worries me. If your side refuses to see how dangerous Islam is becoming and how much power they are obtaining, then this country is in more trouble than it currently is now. The American people will expect leadership not appeasement when the next attack occurs. Hand wringing and skirting this issue with P/C talk isn't going to cut it.

The ball will soon be in your court and I'm curious how the Democrats will run with it. Will your side be Winston Churchill on this issue or Neville Chamberlain?

I hope it isn't the latter of the two.


My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.

Neville Chamberlain
September 1938

I was waitin' for the spewin' of that left wing liberal it's all you Democrats fault good guy to arrive.

 

[eclectics]

I saw this reply from eclectics and wanted to comment on it because I see it a lot from the left leaning members on this board. Oh, btw, eclectics I'm not picking on you or trying to demean you in anyway, I'm just using a recent example and yours was it.




Well, my friend you and your fellow Democrats better have an answer and I hope it's a good one. It looks like your party is in a postion to take real power with the upcomming elections in 06 and 08 and this Islam issue isn't going to fade away, in fact it's going to be a major test for our nation in the near future. P/C answers and talking about how all religions have their radicals, showing how violent Christianity was in the past 2000 years, isn't going to cut it.

An attack is comming and is just a matter of time and this issue is not going to simply go away with a change in the WH. The current President hasn't really done enough to secure our borders, ports, power grids, etc, IMO, and this worries me. If your side refuses to see how dangerous Islam is becoming and how much power they are obtaining, then this country is in more trouble than it currently is now. The American people will expect leadership not appeasement when the next attack occurs. Hand wringing and skirting this issue with P/C talk isn't going to cut it.

The ball will soon be in your court and I'm curious how the Democrats will run with it. Will your side be Winston Churchill on this issue or Neville Chamberlain?

I hope it isn't the latter of the two.


My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.

Neville Chamberlain
September 1938

Thanks for picking me . All right, you wanted it, here it is. One could argue that we squandered our chance at seriously having a dialogue for peace when we had the world's ear after 9/11, but you folks don't want to hear that. With true bipartisanship, something we haven't had in a long, long, time, we can surely come up with a way to live safely in a world turned crazy. I don't deny there is a problem. Another thing you don't like to hear is that we ourselves have contributed to it to a certain extent. I am very concerned about our safety and we are seriously lacking in security in some areas while some of the measures we do have are ridiculous. I do think, for the present, we should concentrate on ourselves. We should trust that if an event occurs, in say Germany or Israel, they are capable of handling it themselves. We shouldn't be in the position of being the world's caretaker anymore, especially when we don't have the resources. I don't know how the next President will handle world affairs. Who can predict something like that. But I'll tell you one thing, if this country doesn't find a way to pull together for a common good, we are up the creek without a popsicle stick.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Thanks for picking me . All right, you wanted it, here it is. One could argue that we squandered our chance at seriously having a dialogue for peace when we had the world's ear after 9/11, but you folks don't want to hear that. With true bipartisanship, something we haven't had in a long, long, time, we can surely come up with a way to live safely in a world turned crazy. I don't deny there is a problem. Another thing you don't like to hear is that we ourselves have contributed to it to a certain extent. I am very concerned about our safety and we are seriously lacking in security in some areas while some of the measures we do have are ridiculous. I do think, for the present, we should concentrate on ourselves. We should trust that if an event occurs, in say Germany or Israel, they are capable of handling it themselves. We shouldn't be in the position of being the world's caretaker anymore, especially when we don't have the resources. I don't know how the next President will handle world affairs. Who can predict something like that. But I'll tell you one thing, if this country doesn't find a way to pull together for a common good, we are up the creek without a popsicle stick.

It might help if our President was a leader instead of a divider AND it would be a bonus if the next president was a thinker instead of a believer!

 

[yeartolate]

I sort of thought the same thing. They are mad because the Pope basically alluded to the fact that it is a religion infused with violence, and they threaten to react to his statements with violence.

I don't know enough about the Muslim religion or its history to know if the Pope's statements are accurate, but I haven't heard much of an outcry from the "good" Muslims all over the world with regard to what their "bad" brothers have done over the past 20 years in terms of terrorist activity.

Just my observaitons.

Where was the outcry from the Christians about Jews being placed into ghettos and work camps (which was out in the open) and eventually exterminated (which was more hidden)

I have heard outcry from non fanatical Muslims - just not loud enough.

I have also seen some and heard of alot of mistreatment of Muslims in this country. I might think twice about "coming out" as Muslim if my life or livelyhood was at stake . Many fear retribution from the fanatical Muslims others fear persecution from nonMuslims. Funny thing is some of the nastyness I have seen is intended for Muslims -- is actually spewed at Sikhs. If you are going to spew hatred, at least spew in the proper direction

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Thanks for picking me . All right, you wanted it, here it is. One could argue that we squandered our chance at seriously having a dialogue for peace when we had the world's ear after 9/11, but you folks don't want to hear that. With true bipartisanship, something we haven't had in a long, long, time, we can surely come up with a way to live safely in a world turned crazy. I don't deny there is a problem. Another thing you don't like to hear is that we ourselves have contributed to it to a certain extent. I am very concerned about our safety and we are seriously lacking in security in some areas while some of the measures we do have are ridiculous. I do think, for the present, we should concentrate on ourselves. We should trust that if an event occurs, in say Germany or Israel, they are capable of handling it themselves. We shouldn't be in the position of being the world's caretaker anymore, especially when we don't have the resources. I don't know how the next President will handle world affairs. Who can predict something like that. But I'll tell you one thing, if this country doesn't find a way to pull together for a common good, we are up the creek without a popsicle stick.

We squandered nothing. The world does not want to listen to the real truth and take action. Most countries would rather do nothing as seen so often at the emasculated, bribe-taking UN.

The world must unite against terrorism instead of blaming those who are actually fighting it. The majority of terrorists want no peace. Their "cause" is to simple kill infidels. Murdering pigs (no offense to pigs).

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

It might help if our President was a leader instead of a divider AND it would be a bonus if the next president was a thinker instead of a believer!

Our President is a leader who takes action and a thinker who follows through. (BTW, believers are thinkers.)

The Dems would rather play politics and have no plan of their own (except surrender).

 

[eclectics]

It might help if our President was a leader instead of a divider AND it would be a bonus if the next president was a thinker instead of a believer!

Sometimes I think this country hasn't been this divided since the civil war. Of the many things that I am disappointed with President Bush for, his promise to unite us all and then willfully proceed to do the exact opposite, right up to the end apparently, is very high on my list.

 

[Teejay32]

It might help if our President was a leader instead of a divider AND it would be a bonus if the next president was a thinker instead of a believer!

It makes no difference. Pope Benedict XVI is a former professor and renowned theologian, one of the top influential people in the world before becoming an actual World Leader - no one's more qualified to speak on religion and leadership than he is. How do we know these particular "faithful" weren't waiting for some opportunity (in this case basically two words out of his 3700) to call for his death? We don't.

 

[Saxsoon]

He could have worded it better, but probably no, he should not apoligize. Especially after the actions some fringe groups took afterwords.

If Jews and Christians went around killing people who insulted Moses and Jesus, there would be no one left in the world except for one of those religions. As a sidenote, I am not saying all Muslims are the radicals we see in the Middle East. There just needs to be some cleaning house of those radicals and a much louder voice from the moderate Muslims out there.

Have fun!

 

[eclectics]

We squandered nothing. The world does not want to listen to the real truth and take action. Most countries would rather do nothing as seen so often at the emasculated, bribe-taking UN.

The world must unite against terrorism instead of blaming those who are actually fighting it. The majority of terrorists want no peace. Their "cause" is to simple kill infidels. Murdering pigs (no offense to pigs).

I'm not going to argue with you Joe. I know what your choice of a solution would be. I would prefer not to see World War III in my lifetime if at all possible.

 

[disneyfan67]

I was waitin' for the spewin' of that left wing liberal it's all you Democrats fault good guy to arrive.

I think you're way off base and I wasn't spewin anything. You're being ridiculous to lump me into any group. I was just talking realistic and would like to hear what plan the Democrats have, if they take over power in 06 and 08. (Another failure of the current President, IMO.) Just about every political pundit is predicting a change in power and I'm almost postive it's going to happen. I just want to see what would some of you would do, if in charge. No hate here, just questions that I would like answered. Having no plan is not an answer, imo.

I've read comments from various Democrat leaders and from some leftwing members on this board and it worries me, quite frankly. In no way am I happy with the current President or some of his decisions. This country is facing some serious problems and Islam, some of it's followers, and it's ever expanding power is front and center.


If you want to hurl insults and make false accusations Uncle Remus, then go ahead with someone else. I asked a legit question and many Americans are wondering the samething.

 

[disneyfan67]

Thanks for picking me . All right, you wanted it, here it is. One could argue that we squandered our chance at seriously having a dialogue for peace when we had the world's ear after 9/11, but you folks don't want to hear that. With true bipartisanship, something we haven't had in a long, long, time, we can surely come up with a way to live safely in a world turned crazy. I don't deny there is a problem. Another thing you don't like to hear is that we ourselves have contributed to it to a certain extent. I am very concerned about our safety and we are seriously lacking in security in some areas while some of the measures we do have are ridiculous. I do think, for the present, we should concentrate on ourselves. We should trust that if an event occurs, in say Germany or Israel, they are capable of handling it themselves. We shouldn't be in the position of being the world's caretaker anymore, especially when we don't have the resources. I don't know how the next President will handle world affairs. Who can predict something like that. But I'll tell you one thing, if this country doesn't find a way to pull together for a common good, we are up the creek without a popsicle stick.

Thank you for answering a legit question with honesty. I may not agree with everything you wrote but it was a damn good post, imo. At least you took the time to think and reply respectfully and I appreciate that. Too bad UR didn't do the same and I guess it's easier to throw bombs then to answer the question.

Thank you.

 

[Uncle Remus]

disneyfan67, life's too short
I don't jump for anybody!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Our President is a leader who takes action and a thinker who follows through. (BTW, believers are thinkers.)

The Dems would rather play politics and have no plan of their own (except surrender).

Know any other good jokes?