Should Students be required to perform "Community Service"?

[GinnyEmma]

You know, I don't think it's political. Early on in the thread, somebody made a comment about how this is clearly a liberal plot to indoctrinate kids. Before I read that, I'd assumed it was those damned conservatives behind it. I'm a die-hard, card-carrying, bleeding heart liberal, and proud of it. I think it's a ludicrous idea.

I think you can find people all over the political spectrum with ideas about this.

Lol, I do agree with this! There are people for and against this on both sides.

 

[Imagineer7]

Sorry, that's not on the Bama list of "opportunities". Travel to and from my home is at your expense. I'll provide water to drink if it gets too hot.

Really, it is in your best interests. I am only thinking of you.

Stop being obtuse. I've already posted multiple times that each school could put together a list of different opportunities and the kids could pick the one that interests them the most (tutoring, hospital work, food bank, whatever).

 

[Pigeon]

Stop being obtuse. I've already posted multiple times that each school could put together a list of different opportunities and the kids could pick the one that interests them the most (tutoring, hospital work, food bank, whatever).

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That doesn't change the basic premise that this is not voluntary. The school is still forcing the kids to do work of the school's choosing.

 

[tinkerbellandeyor]

If schools make the students volunteer is it still volunteering or is it called work with out getting paid, unless you count school credits as payment

 

[Imagineer7]

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That doesn't change the basic premise that this is not voluntary. The school is still forcing the kids to do work of the school's choosing.

Schools force kids to do lots of things.

 

[Imagineer7]

If schools make the students volunteer is it still volunteering or is it called work with out getting paid, unless you count school credits as payment

I could argue going to class is working without getting paid.

 

[tinkerbellandeyor]

I could argue going to class is working without getting paid.

All I can say is good point but let me also say that I don't believe it should b a requirement but if they want to do it for extra credit that is great

 

[OceanAnnie]

When going to class a person is graded. It is a value system similar to money.

Our tax dollars pay for the education our children receive. If your child goes to a parochial school, tuition is paid also. No one pays to work.

I don't think anyone is knocking community service or volunteering, the sticking point for many posters is "mandated".

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

If schools make the students volunteer is it still volunteering or is it called work with out getting paid, unless you count school credits as payment

It's not called either. It's called "community service"?

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

When going to class a person is graded. It is a value system similar to money.

Our tax dollars pay for the education our children receive. If your child goes to a parochial school, tuition is paid also. No one pays to work.

I don't think anyone is knocking community service or volunteering, the sticking point for many posters is "mandated".

So if getting a grade is "payment" how is getting an SSL credit not "payment".

My kid has an assignment, he does the assignment and receives credit on his report card. In this case the assignment is finding a community organization in need, taking responsibility for making arrangements for helping meet that need, filling out the correct forms, and writing something reflecting on his experience. The credit is an increasing number under the "Student Service Learning" column.

 

[OceanAnnie]

So if getting a grade is "payment" how is getting an SSL credit not "payment".

My kid has an assignment, he does the assignment and receives credit on his report card. In this case the assignment is finding a community organization in need, taking responsibility for making arrangements for helping meet that need, filling out the correct forms, and writing something reflecting on his experience. The credit is an increasing number under the "Student Service Learning" column.

Sure, it's "payment". It's payment for a servitude I don't agree with.

I was responding to the below statement.

I could argue going to class is working without getting paid.

The gist is the education (class) is paid for. It's not a "job", like servitude.

 

[Imagineer7]

Sure, it's "payment". It's payment for a servitude I don't agree with.

I was responding to the below statement.



The gist is the education (class) is paid for. It's not a "job", like servitude.

Your tax dollars go to pay for an education. I would argue that civic duty and societal obligations constitute part of that education. Additionally, I'm deeply saddened that you consider helping people servitude.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Your tax dollars go to pay for an education. I would argue that civic duty and societal obligations constitute part of that education. Additionally, I'm deeply saddened that you consider helping people servitude.

No, hold that sadness. I don't consider helping people servitude. I consider lacking the liberty to make the choice to help someone servitude. It should not be forced, IMO.

 

[Imagineer7]

No, hold that sadness. I don't consider helping people servitude. I consider lacking the liberty to make the choice to help someone servitude. It should not be forced, IMO.

If you're going to take the line of thought young people shouldn't be forced to volunteer, then they shouldn't be forced to do anything.

1) They shouldn't be forced by their parents to go to church. They should have the liberty to choose.
2) They shouldn't be forced to get summer jobs during high school. They should have the liberty to choose.
3) They shouldn't be forced to do chores around the house. They should have the liberty to choose.

Or let me guess what you will say.. each parent gets to decide what to force their children to do. So when it benefits the parents, they will force the children to do whatever. But when it benefits society at large, how dare they!! Oh the outrage.

 

[OceanAnnie]

If you're going to take the line of thought young people shouldn't be forced to volunteer, then they shouldn't be forced to do anything.

1) They shouldn't be forced by their parents to go to church. They should have the liberty to choose.
2) They shouldn't be forced to get summer jobs during high school. They should have the liberty to choose.
3) They shouldn't be forced to do chores around the house. They should have the liberty to choose.

No, not to me. Forcing someone to volunteer is contrary to the very definition of volunteering. We shouldn't be teaching concepts that run counter to their definition.

 

[OceanAnnie]

If you're going to take the line of thought young people shouldn't be forced to volunteer, then they shouldn't be forced to do anything.

1) They shouldn't be forced by their parents to go to church. They should have the liberty to choose.
2) They shouldn't be forced to get summer jobs during high school. They should have the liberty to choose.
3) They shouldn't be forced to do chores around the house. They should have the liberty to choose.

Or let me guess what you will say.. each parent gets to decide what to force their children to do. So when it benefits the parents, they will force the children to do whatever. But when it benefits society at large, how dare they!! Oh the outrage.

Sorry. Wrong.

 

[Imagineer7]

No, not to me. Forcing someone to volunteer is contrary to the very definition of volunteering. We shouldn't be teaching concepts that run counter to their definition.

You didn't answer the 3 examples of situations that go against what you're saying.

 

[declansdad]

What you're not grasping is that everyone is forced to do something in life.

Kids are forced to go to school
Adults are forced to go to work

Most of us turn out okay!

Please it isn't the same at all and you know it. Let me know when you have to work with a volunteer who has no desire to be there.

 

[OceanAnnie]

You didn't answer the 3 examples of situations that go against what you're saying.

Yes, I did. It doesn't go against what I stated in the least. I have been consistent. Your examples do not apply.

 

[Imagineer7]

Yes, I did. It doesn't go against what I stated in the least. I have been consistent. Your examples do not apply.