Should Catholic Hospitals be compelled to provide the "morning after pill"?

[BuckNaked]

There are a lot of things that Jewish law does not allow,and yet Jews don't think non-Jews should have to follow those laws.. I understood that Chrisianity believes their religion should apply to everyone. I just don't agree with it.

It isn't simply an issue of believing Catholicism should apply to everyone, it's an issue of not facilitating sin (birth control). In the eyes of the Catholic church the person that hands out the pill is every bit as guilty of the sin as the woman that takes it. It isn't so much "you can't do that" as "we can't help you do that".

 

[simpilotswife]

Not the same thing at all. Providing treatment to someone that is seen to have sinned is not the same as helping that person sin. Providing treatment for an STD is no different in the eyes of the church than providing counseling to women who have had abortions. Both are seen as ways to help healing, one physical, one emotional.

But they're just treating them so they can go out and sin some more. That's facilitation no matter how you look at it so what is the difference? The morning-after pill after a rape could help someone to heal emotionally, why is that wrong if they're so into healing?

 

[simpilotswife]

It isn't simply an issue of believing Catholicism should apply to everyone, it's an issue of not facilitating sin (birth control). In the eyes of the Catholic church the person that hands out the pill is every bit as guilty of the sin as the woman that takes it. It isn't so much "you can't do that" as "we can't help you do that".

Isn't that what confession is for?

 

[Beth76]

It isn't simply an issue of believing Catholicism should apply to everyone, it's an issue of not facilitating sin (birth control). In the eyes of the Catholic church the person that hands out the pill is every bit as guilty of the sin as the woman that takes it. It isn't so much "you can't do that" as "we can't help you do that".

Oh Please. What about when pharmacists refuse to give back prescriptions? Isn't theft a sin? And if a pharmacist works in a pharmacy that has BCPs and condoms, isn't that facilitating the "sin" as well? Not to mention patronizing ANY store that sells birth control. Do all Catholics refrain from shopping in a store that sells condoms?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

. Do all Catholics refrain from shopping in a store that sells condoms?

No and they don't NOT go to Disney either.


It would be like trying to boycott products made in China--pretty darn near impossible.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Isn't that what confession is for?

That's like saying those faiths where followers are "saved" can sin all they want b/c they are saved and will go to heaven.

Just b/c there is a sacrament to allow forgiveness and healing does not mean that an endorsement is made of the practice of sin.

 

[Beth76]

It would be like trying to boycott products made in China--pretty darn near impossible.

Yes it would. It still doesn't change the fact that by giving money to a store, you are facilitating their ability to promote sin (ie selling birth control). So, as long as it's convenient to the Catholics, they can "ignore" that birth control and "sinning" is going on in the store.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I knew some catholic girls in high school and college and they put a lot of faith in condoms.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes it would. It still doesn't change the fact that by giving money to a store, you are facilitating their ability to promote sin (ie selling birth control). So, as long as it's convenient to the Catholics, they can "ignore" that birth control and "sinning" is going on in the store.

Does the Catholic Church own wal-mart?

I do believe you are grasping at straws here.

We even go to Ob/gyn's who prescibe bc.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Yes it would. It still doesn't change the fact that by giving money to a store, you are facilitating their ability to promote sin (ie selling birth control). So, as long as it's convenient to the Catholics, they can "ignore" that birth control and "sinning" is going on in the store.

Birth control AND sinning going on in Walmart???? Dang, I gotta make sure my kids wear blinders and earplugs when we're shopping. We see enough of that stuff on TV---don't need them to see it when we're shopping too!!

 

[JudicialTyranny]

Isn't that what confession is for?

No. Confession (Penance) is to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness (absolution).

In simple terms, you must be (1) sorry for your sin and (2) intend to not commit it again.

Obviously, if they are routinely giving out "morning after" pills, confession is not going to work because either they are (1) not sorry they are doing it or (2) not intending to stop doing it.

 

[froglady]

Oh Please. What about when pharmacists refuse to give back prescriptions? Isn't theft a sin? And if a pharmacist works in a pharmacy that has BCPs and condoms, isn't that facilitating the "sin" as well? Not to mention patronizing ANY store that sells birth control. Do all Catholics refrain from shopping in a store that sells condoms?

Different sins. a sin of commission is much worse than a sin of omission.

I do not smoke, do not allow people to smoke in my home, move away from someone who is smoking. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a sin (although my atiest SIL would, if she believed in sin) but I am very much against it. HOWEVER, I don't do anything (except support ant-smoking campaigns) to stop others from doing so, and still shop at stores that sell tobacco products. That's a sin of omission.

If I were to give cigarrettes to a smoker, that would be a sin of comission. That is, I would be an ACTIVE participant in an activity that I consider wrong.

So there is a difference between being an active participant in a sin, and just not stopping it from happening.

The same goes with the STDs. I would treat the patient, but would also definitely mention that his/her lifestyle is unhealthy, just as I would mention it to a smoker, drug addict, etc. However, I would not feel that I'm actively participating in their continual "sinning" when they leave the hospital/office.

 

[Beth76]

I do believe you are grasping at straws here.

No I'm not. I'm simply pointing out that when it's convenient for Catholics, they seem to be fine looking the other way. But, when it's inconvenient for other people they are just fine throwing around the scripture to fit their own personal agenda. And actually, does it even say in the bible that birth control is a sin? I thought this was just a made up catholic rule.

Different sins. a sin of commission is much worse than a sin of omission.

Again so it's more convenient. I still maintain by shopping in stores that sell birth control you are condoning birth contol. Go ahead and throw around your little definitions and degrees of sin. A sin is a sin, is it not? So you're committing a sin of "omission". Whatever. As long as it's convenient.

 

[In a hurry]

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/svfacts.htm

That is just one that has the number around 30,000. But your only going to believe "your" statistics anyway, aren't you?

And besides, would it make it better if it were only 20,000 rape victims forced to have their rapists' children?

Geesh! I was about to send a thank you for the link until I read your whole post! Chill out. Not everyone is out to "get" you. Some people are curious about what others think, and why. Sometimes even people on the same side are interested in collecting information.

And, I do believe it happens. My step-mom delivered a baby conceived during a rape. To make it even more sad, it was her fathers.

 

[cardaway]

I'm simply pointing out that when it's convenient for Catholics, they seem to be fine looking the other way. But, when it's inconvenient for other people they are just fine throwing around the scripture to fit their own personal agenda.

You got that right, but you forgot the control aspect.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

And, I do believe it happens. My step-mom delivered a baby conceived during a rape. To make it even more sad, it was her fathers.

wow.

 

[In a hurry]

wow.

No kidding. He was an alcoholic, and she was a heroine addict at the time. Both eventually changed their lives around, and the child was adopted, and did well even with all of that going against him.

 

[chobie]

Geesh! I was about to send a thank you for the link until I read your whole post! Chill out. Not everyone is out to "get" you. Some people are curious about what others think, and why. Sometimes even people on the same side are interested in collecting information.

And, I do believe it happens. My step-mom delivered a baby conceived during a rape. To make it even more sad, it was her fathers.

Okay! I just thought that since you asked me for a source and not Galahad who tried to make it seem like it almost never happens that you were on that side.

And maybe you should save you for people who think what happened your step mother is not important.

 

[In a hurry]

You might have a point... I have a tendency to snap at people for being snappish. I'm working on it! I do that, though, no matter which side they are on! It comes from being a referee 9 months out of the year! It makes me crabby when people fight!

 

[froglady]

No I'm not. I'm simply pointing out that when it's convenient for Catholics, they seem to be fine looking the other way. But, when it's inconvenient for other people they are just fine throwing around the scripture to fit their own personal agenda. And actually, does it even say in the bible that birth control is a sin? I thought this was just a made up catholic rule.


Again so it's more convenient. I still maintain by shopping in stores that sell birth control you are condoning birth contol. Go ahead and throw around your little definitions and degrees of sin. A sin is a sin, is it not? So you're committing a sin of "omission". Whatever. As long as it's convenient.

I'm not a RC, so I'm not committing a sin at all. Again, IF someone IS a RC, it's more than a matter of semantics. YOU don't happen to agree with their rules, and they don't make any sense to YOU, but THEY do believe in divine punishment.


Witnessing someone beating a child and not intervening is a "sin" but not as big of one as beating that child yourself. Encouraging that person to beat the child, rather than doing it yourself, is as bad as doing it yourself. One is looking the other way, the other is actively participating.