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[FLAsomeday]

Sigh, you wrote this of me. Remember? I did not say <i>until</i> the 8th month - I merely gave an example.

I really hate that I have to keep arguing you, because you are in fact my least favorite kind of person to debate - the kind that twists people's posts to win - I'm not answering you anymore.

Everyone gets it - you're against abortion and I'm pro-choice. Get over it and stop fighting dirty.

Ah yes, use a liberal's own words, and they say you are fighting dirty.

I'm sorry I properly quoted you. I was out of line to use your own words.

And, you did say that abortion was ok at 6 weeks, but not 8 months. Where is this twisting? The reason I am your "least favorite kind of person to debate" is because I am winning the debate by using your own words against you. Well, since you said you won't respond, have a nice day!

 

[auntpolly]

He can't help himself, AuntPolly....It's the only way he knows how to debate...attackattackattack, then whine when someone calls you on it that you're being "personally attacked". He used to do it under his other name, and he's doing it all the time under this one (I guess the other was banned for the same kind of crap).

Well, I'm going back to my old idea - when someone pulls that crap my answer is going to be -- that's interesting. thanks for your input.

Somehow it keeps my bloodpressure down1

 

[chobie]

I'm getting confused - who are you talking to?

FLAsomeday tried to say I brought up the abortion issue. He confused me with Charade. The Ch threw him for a loop I guess.

 

[auntpolly]

Ah yes, use a liberal's own words, and they say you are fighting dirty.

I'm sorry I properly quoted you. I was out of line to use your own words.

And, you did say that abortion was ok at 6 weeks, but not 8 months. Where is this twisting? The reason I am your "least favorite kind of person to debate" is because I am winning the debate by using your own words against you. Well, since you said you won't respond, have a nice day!

Yes, it's OK at 6 weeks, but not 8 months. How in that twisted mind of yours do you get that I mean it's OK at 7 months or 6 -- I was making a comparison. But you get that -- you just want to win at all costs - you sir, are a very dirty fighter. There's the matter of that little word "until" which I did not say, but you added for me. Not cool. I never said "until 8 months."

Thanks for your input - it was very interesting.

 

[FLAsomeday]

That was Charade. I was quoting him. Try again.

My appologies. That whole Ch thing. It was Charade, not Chobie I will retract the post.

 

[mrsltg]

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[FLAsomeday]

double post

 

[FLAsomeday]

He can't help himself, AuntPolly....It's the only way he knows how to debate...attackattackattack, then whine when someone calls you on it that you're being "personally attacked". He used to do it under his other name, and he's doing it all the time under this one (I guess the other was banned for the same kind of crap).

1. No other name.
2. I truly find it funny that using facts and someone's own words is an attack.
3. The only way you engage in the exchange of ideas is to call names and demonize those with differing points of view.

 

[auntpolly]

1. No other name.
2. I truly find it funny that using facts and someone's own words is an attack.
3. The only way you engage in the exchange of ideas is to call names and demonize those with differing points of view.

You added the word "until".

I didn't say "until 8 months" like you said I did. It completely changes the meaning. I think you should admit you are wrong and apologize.

 

[FLAsomeday]

Yes, it's OK at 6 weeks, but not 8 months. How in that twisted mind of yours do you get that I mean it's OK at 7 months or 6 -- I was making a comparison. But you get that -- you just want to win at all costs - you sir, are a very dirty fighter. There's the matter of that little word "until" which I did not say, but you added for me. Not cool. I never said "until 8 months."

Thanks for your input - it was very interesting.

Thought you weren't responding.

 

[auntpolly]

Thought you weren't responding.

Now I know who you are - I used to have you on my ignore list for doing just this very thing.

You lose an arguement and you insult or just leave - you say untrue things and just "hit and run". Back to the ignore list you go.

 

[wvrevy]

1. No other name.
2. I truly find it funny that using facts and someone's own words is an attack.
3. The only way you engage in the exchange of ideas is to call names and demonize those with differing points of view.

1. Right.
2. No, lying and misquoting is. I'd also qualify "instigating" under that title, since that's pretty much all you're good for on these boards, that I've seen.
3. Exchange of what ideas, exactly ? You came on this thread with a smart aleck comment, and haven't shut up since. Exactly what ideas are you interested in exchanging ?

 

[snoopy]

AuntPolly, if it's your body.... what about pregnant women?

Plenty of pregnant women use LEGAL drugs, consider the amount of children born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

I could never understand if we do want to stamp out drugs and drug users, why don't we include alcohol and tobacco under that heading?

In any case, my opinion is that drugs should be legalized, regulated, and their use should be taxed.

 

[EsmeraldaX]

FWIW, I am more of a conservative leaning (than a liberal leaning) independent and I think Aunt Polly is winning this debate.

Good points Snoopy.

 

[FLAsomeday]

You added the word "until".

I didn't say "until 8 months" like you said I did. It completely changes the meaning. I think you should admit you are wrong and apologize.

ummmmm....no. You decided that there is some arbritrary point where it is ok to end an innocent life. You also decided that EXACT second where it is not ok to end the life. Whether it is 8 months, 8 weeks, or 8 days doesn't really matter. Could you pinpoint the exact second for us? The point is that I find the logic to be completly absent in that position. It is a position of convienience, one that allows people to remove guilt from their decisions.

Listen, we are allowed to disagree, but it is clear that I used your words, and in no way took you out of context. The context is exactly the same, with or without the word "until".

 

[auntpolly]

FWIW, I am more of a conservative leaning (than a liberal leaning) independent and I think Aunt Polly is winning this debate.

Good points Snoopy.

Bless your heart, sweetie, because right now I'm pretty much a dog with a bone about it!

 

[swilphil]

NOW I understand why that abortion thread was started.

As far as the original question, I don't think all drugs should be legalized. The main problem is that if you make them illegal and it doesn't work out, then you have even bigger problems when you change the laws. (Remember prohibition?) I do think medically prescribed marijuana should be legalized with restrictions, and that there should be a seperate court system for drug users that concentrates on rehab, possibly inpatient.

 

[Crankyshank]

In any case, my opinion is that drugs should be legalized, regulated, and their use should be taxed.

My thoughts exactly! For a long time, Marijuana, Cocaine and Opiates were legal in this country and if you bought an OTC tonic chances are one of them would be in it.

 

[wvrevy]

My thoughts exactly! For a long time, Marijuana, Cocaine and Opiates were legal in this country.

Ok, so could someone convince me why we should legalize something (take coke for example) that is going to addict anyone that uses it (for any length of time, at least) and that impairs their judgement to the point that they can no longer easily distinguish right from wrong ? There are other drugs (PCP or Angel Dust, is an excellent example) that are not only dangerous to the people taking them but to everyone around them as well (ask an inner city cop that's faced a dusted criminal what they think of the idea).

Again, I'm not talking about things like pot, or even LSD, since those won't kill you if prepared properly, and it's impossible to OD or even become addicted to them. But the "harder" drugs...I'm just not convinced that it's be a good thing for ANYBODY (other than drug companies, and they are fat enough) if those became legal.

 

[snoopy]

NOW I understand why that abortion thread was started.

As far as the original question, I don't think all drugs should be legalized. The main problem is that if you make them illegal and it doesn't work out, then you have even bigger problems when you change the laws. (Remember prohibition?) I do think medically prescribed marijuana should be legalized with restrictions, and that there should be a seperate court system for drug users that concentrates on rehab, possibly inpatient.

Good points. There definately is a difference between legalizing marijuana and legalizing cocaine.

The way I see it is right now, since coke, heroin etc. are illegal, people who use them are exposed to a criminal element to obtain them, i.e., by turning to theft to support their habit due to the high price. They might be afraid to tell their doctors they need help for fear of legal repercussions. If they were legal but VERY controlled, then the black market would no longer prosper, and people who used these drugs could get help without endangering their future and that of their families.

It's a complex scenario. Just legalizing would be a disaster. We need to legalize, control, and divert the $ we're spending on enforcement and punishment into something that would help, not punish, the users. I've known plenty of drug users in my day, sad to say, and not one of them was ever deterred by punishment. The overpopulation in our prisons is a pretty good indicator on how well our War on Drugs is working. We need to try a new approach, and legalizing drugs might just be the answer.