Shooting Fantasmic!

I KNOW I saw one, maybe in a thread about posting pictures of favorite DL foods, but I can't find it now. I promised another poster I'd find it for them, but I need help...please?!:flower3:
 

Drat! Search function seems not to be working (again).

I am sure it has been covered already, but I could not find anything.

I am looking for some tips for taking photos at Fantasmic. I am shooting with a Sony DSC-F717 non-DSLR. It has fairly good options for manual settings, so I have a lot I can do - just not sure what I should do to get the best pictures at Fantasmic.

I have always had decent luck with fireworks photos, but my Fantasmic photos are iffy at best. Always been handheld before. I will be taking my tripod this time though.

Basically, advice on location and camera settings are what I am after.
 
I've never really tried to shoot Fantasmic, so I'm hardly the voice of experience on this one.

That being said, the show is almost non-stop movement, so you'd need a pretty fast shutter speed to get a clear photo. It's also pretty dark. And, it's far away. And if you sit near the front to get closer, you will get wet. You just can't win! :lmao:

All those are reasons why I haven't bothered trying to shoot it yet. But I am planning on giving it a try on my next trip. My current thinking is to use my 70-210mm F2.8-F4.0 manual-focus lens and probably ISO 1600, hopefully I'll be able to get shutter speeds around 1/250th or so (which may be tricky). Those are settings that generally don't work so well on PnS cameras, so it may be a tall order.

That being said, I think I've seen some pretty decent results that people have gotten with PnSs, so maybe you should be OK. I would think that the big thing is to try to keep the shutter speed up. This will probably require shooting in shutter priority (Tv) mode.

Others who have more experience shooting Fantasmic may have better suggestions and I'd be happy to hear those, too. :)
 
I've had some limited success shooting Fantasmic!. It is hard for all of the reasons that Groucho said. In addition, much of the action is relatively small and distant, so metering can be a problem. If you subject is only a small portion of an otherwise dark photo, your camera will have a tendency to overexpose. This would be a good time for spot metering.

I was shooting at an equivalent focal length of 260mm most of the time. I shot much of the show at f/2.8 and an ISO of 1600. You can get away with less, but you'll need to be pickier about when you shoot. Try to time your shots for moments, however brief, when your subject "poses" or stops moving. I had to crop many of the shots rather substantially, even at 260mm.

My first recommendation is to get the sign in the daytime. It's an easy shot and can be used for scrapbooking, slideshows, or any other case where you want to introduce the subject.

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Here's a shot of Mickey "posing" with some fireworks. It was at 1/800 of second but could easily have been shot at a slower speed.
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I tried a few shots of the "water screens", but nothing came out very well. It might work better to go wider to capture more of the context.
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This shot demonstrates a few more problems that you need to deal with. The shot is at 1/100s, f/2.8, ISO 1600, so it's pretty low light. That's even with a relatively bright light on the scene. The other problem is that the lighting is very uneven. The bad guy is brightly lit but much of the rest of the scene is dim. You have not choice but to either tolerate the difference, crop closer, or spend ages in photoshop.
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The parade on the water is similar to shooting Spectromagic, only it's further away. This was a 1/80s and, aside from not being a particuarly good composition, can't hold up to be enlarged at all well.
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Here's one at 1/320s. It's a much better shot of the characters, but it doesn't show as much context.
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The witch is a good "poser" and the cauldrun photographs well. This is a 1/200 second shot, so the light was pretty low. She was also pretty distant, so this is substantially cropped. It's my personal favorite of my Fantasmic! shots.
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This was a mere 1/20s shot (even at f/2.8 and ISO 1600), so it really didn't come out very sharp. It's saving grace is that the subject isn't very detailed and the eye beams are what catch your attention anyway. So even as relatively blurry shot, it still works OK.
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I got this shot of my wife and son at 1/50. It's not the sharpest, but it was a good expression capture. I think I was using the illumination from the fire on the water for this shot. If you don't think your gear is up to really shooting the show well, you might try capturing more shots like this and some easier wide angle shots and then just borrowing specific show shots. After all, we're all shooting the same show. You're welcome to my shots and many people here will let you use theirs for personal use if you ask their permission.
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Mickey with the sword is another good "posed" shot and one with plenty of light (1/500s). The shot suffers a bit from the heat waves coming off of the water, which was burning moments before. I've seen some shots where the effect is much more pronounced and adds an interesting twist to the picture.
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The shots of the character boats aren't too hard because they are relatively close and well lit. I just couldn't come up with any interesting compositions.
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The final shot I took is another Mickey "pose" shot. It's relatively dim though and very distant. I think this was significantly cropped.
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If you want to see more shots or look at the EXIF on the originals, you can see them on my Smugmug site. The Fantasmic! shots start here and continue for a couple of pages.

With all that said, I think that Fantasmic! is one of the very hardest things to shoot well at WDW. It's dark, distant, and full of motion. The context is hard to capture along with the detail. I'd love to get a shot of the auditorium just before the show starts. I'd also like more wide shots, but I was too lazy to swap lenses during the show. I think that shooting with a non-DSLR is going to be extremely challenging and that you shouldn't expect to have too many keepers. Still, it doesn't hurt to try and you might prove me very wrong. If not, just download some of mine and tell everyone that you took them. They'll never know and I won't care.
 
With all that said, I think that Fantasmic! is one of the very hardest things to shoot well at WDW. It's dark, distant, and full of motion. The context is hard to capture along with the detail. I'd love to get a shot of the auditorium just before the show starts.
That's actually one of my plans for my upcoming trip, various crowd shots, most likely with the fisheye. Of course, it's usually standing-room-only as people file in, so it'd be tough to get the shot from the center behind the last row of seats (probably the best place for such a shot), but I'll see what I can come up with. :)

And I love changing lenses, so that's not a concern. I would expect that if I really get fired up to try to get good Fantasmic shots, I may try a couple different lenses.
 
Still, it doesn't hurt to try and you might prove me very wrong. If not, just download some of mine and tell everyone that you took them. They'll never know and I won't care.

Thanks!!!! :lmao:

I have had mixed success in the past - and the motion seemed to be the biggest challenge. I'd post some to show you, but they are all on my laptop currently after I recently had to replace my HDD in the desktop. (Recovering all of the pics and other important files was a task indeed! - Taught me to backup!)

I'll try to get some up and maybe you guys can critique and see where I went wrong.

The camera I use is really kind of a "bridge" camera as it has a lot of manual settings and high quality lens, but is not an SLR. So sometimes, I surprise myself with what I can make with it.
 
Here's one of the fairly decent Fantasmic! pics I took on our last vacation with my Canon S3 (which is a bridge camera):
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And, here's one of the floats:
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Most of these were ISO400, Av mode with Av 2.7 (or 3.5 if zoomed) and spot metering. As far as PP, I've only run the second image through Noiseware and done a Auto Levels ... I could probably tweak it a little more, but I haven't, yet....

Of course, they aren't as nice as Mark's but his camera gear is probably worth about $5,500 more than mine! :lmao:
 
As Mark pointed out, spot metering is VERY helpful; maybe even essential. Otherwise, the meter sees all the black background and biases the exposure to try and compensate for that, meaning that the spotlit characters will be over-exposed, big time.

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This is hard to shoot. I did ok with my 70-300mm VR lens at f/5.6 in some spots. Though using a high ISO adds a lot of noise to the image.

Biggest tip I can think of.... Get a spot in the middle of the auditorium near the front. Not right in front, but closer. To close and you'll get spray from the show that might hurt your camera.

We were way to the left (or in theater speak, stage right).

Here's what I was able to capture:

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ISO 1600, f/5.6, 1/40th at 300mm with VR lens

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ISO 1600, f/4.8, 1/25th at 125mm with VR lens

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ISO1600, f/5.6, 1/60th at 300mm w/ VR lens

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ISO1600, f/5.6, 1/13th at 220mm w/ VR lens

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ISO1600, f/5.6, 1/250, at 300mm w/ VR lens

The characters on the boat do a lot of fast moving, the boat is moving and there is NOT a lot of light. Very hard to get a non-blury picture. This was the best I got:
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ISO1600, f/4.8, 1/60th, at 116mm w/ VR lens

Here is the part of the show when Mickey gets the sword. Our seats were terrible for getting a nice shot. Thus the better idea is sitting in the middle, not way off to the side:
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ISO1600, f/5.6, 1/50th at 300mm w/ VR lens.

I think I also had at least a -1 exposure compensation on all the shots. Some may have had a -2.
 
Groucho & LZP_Stitch - fantastic pics! Thanks for sharing!
I wish I could take credit but I haven't posted any pics in this thread. That'd be Mark. (I'm not comfortable taking credit for his, even with permission!)

I would love to see that. I'm not generally a big fan of fisheye shots, but you have an amazing eye for them.
Thanks! I don't think I'd give myself that much credit, but I do really enjoy using the fisheye lens, especially somewhere like WDW. I've got a small checklist of shots that I want to remember to get next trip, and probably half or more are fishy ones. :teeth: The fisheye really does make you look at things differently, since it's so different than what the naked eye sees.
 
I wish I could take credit but I haven't posted any pics in this thread. That'd be Mark. (I'm not comfortable taking credit for his, even with permission!)

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Oops...I stand corrected. Thanks Mark for sharing!
 
Last weekend I took a few shots at Fantasmic. Thought some of them turned out pretty well.

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The rest can be seen here if your interested
 
Awsome, thanks for sharing :)

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