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[disneylovin24]

Somehow an unwieldy number of all these people who go to WDW for different reasons end up backlogged in line for the same attractions all the time.

I do not go to WDW solely for the rides, but I still enjoy going on a few rides when I am there. I am just not going to let a lack of new rides make me stop going to WDW.

 

[Mad Hattered]

So Disney copied itself? What's wrong with that?

Nothing. I didn't say anything was wrong. The Indiana Jones version at DL (1995) blows Dinosaur (1998) out of the water, though.

 

[disneylovin24]

Nothing. I didn't say anything was wrong. The Indiana Jones version at DL (1995) blows Dinosaur (1998) out of the water, though.

In your original post you used the word copied and implied that WDW was ripping off a Universal ride. Look at how you worded it, you also implied that WDW started going down hill because they were ripping off rides.

 

[Mad Hattered]

In your original post you used the word copied and implied that WDW was ripping off a Universal ride. Look at how you worded it, you also implied that WDW started going down hill because they were ripping off rides.

Uhhhhh....you may want to go back and read. I think you have me confused with another poster.

Apology accepted.

 

[PlayaMan]

I've got one last question for you, UNC before you are officially blocked...why is it that you make no other posts on this board ANYWHERE that doesn't somehow involve me, mom2rtk, Shaden, Laketravis, Missyrose, Mesaboy2, Robo ,bcrook or rat?

Care to answer?

You seem awfully obsessed with this UNC person whoever that may be. I can assure you, I am not that person. If you would care to post any information that can prove otherwise, it will be entertaining. Otherwise, it is a baseless accusation.

BTW, what happened to your following statement? Is this like your infamous ""done with Disney" statement? Do you often make statements that you have no intention of following through with?

You didn't honestly think he could avoid one of MY threads, did you? Let's just ignore him. It's not worth it.

 

[disneylovin24]

Uhhhhh....you may want to go back and read. I think you have me confused with another poster.

Apology accepted.

Made a mistake, but no apology.

Easy to mistake all the people who call you close minded or a Kool-Aid drinker just because you have different vacation expectations. Everyone starts to blend together.

 

[disneylovin24]

I've got one last question for you, UNC before you are officially blocked...why is it that you make no other posts on this board ANYWHERE that doesn't somehow involve me, mom2rtk, Shaden, Laketravis, Missyrose, Mesaboy2, Robo ,bcrook or rat?

Care to answer?

No idea who UNC is but I could probably guess why it's the listed people he always goes after...

 

[estherhead]

That's what I thought as well. Indy at DL is pretty darn awesome!

Indy at DL is amazing. And WAY better than Spiderman in my opinion. Way! Spiderman as an entire ride (queue and all) wasn't nearly as immersive and it kind of hurts my neck. Indy has all the wonderful qualities of being totally immersive without injuring me. SO jealous of Indy as an east coast WDWer. I'd give up the show in a heartbeat for the ride!

 

[ToyStory3]

They're building DVC resorts quicker than they're putting up a single attraction. I can't believe how long this has taken.

 

[estherhead]

Sure, if you drink the Kool-Aid, and go to Disney every day for a week, and don't park hop, you can pay less. But I couldn't stay all day at any park except the MK. And if I only have 3 rides there with no wait, I sure as hell won't be staying all day. And frankly, I'd go crazy if I went to a WDW park every day for a week. I'd get bored. Especially knowing all the other incredible rides less than 10 miles away.

Disney has been coasting. They have been able to because of what other posters have said. Many folks will just keep throwing them money, based on memories. Heck, I've been going there for 40 years, and have plenty of memories. But I don't like redoing the exact vacation over and over. And WDW has really become that. It's so stale.

Not to mention that attendance numbers quoted sure didn't help. When they aren't adding rides, and attendance increases, that means quality of visit will suffer. If that gets bad enough, someone will be stupid enough to approve a billion dollars on a ride rationing program.

And sure, Disney owns Star Wars, and has for more than a year now. And still haven't announced a damn thing related to it. And if rumors are correct, their failing ride rationing program is a big part of the cause.

Universal bought rights to Potter, and announced a huge land soon after, and built the damn thing in less time than Disney has built a kiddie coaster. They also built Transformers, a whole other Potter area almost, a fully realized Springfield. And have plans for big things in Jurassic Park that will likely open before anythign Star Wars related does. I wish Universal had bought them. They would be half way done with their Star Wars land.

Disney has gotten tens of thousands of my dollars over my lifetime. And got a bunch last year at Disneyland, the far superior park, imho. But they have lost their way.

They don't push the envelope anymore. Their last big coaster, Everest, is decent, but then the big payoff is broken, and will never work again. I think Dinosaur was the beginning of WDW's spiral down. Disney took one of the greatest rides on the planet, to this day, and totally copied it. We're talking copying a ride that more than a decade after it opened is still a huge draw, having an hour wait most of the time. A ride that has a clone that also has an hour plus wait all the time. However, WDW's copy is essentially a walkon all the time because its concept and execution was so poor. And is now based on a movie that probably 90% of the people riding it don't even know existed.

I would LOVE for them to announce a Star Wars land with some amazing E ticket ride. But they just don't make amazing E ticket rides anymore. That is what Universal does now. The last state of the art E ticket Disney built in the states was probably Indy. I realize many people think Soarin' is some amazing ride, but I just don't get it. It's neat, but hardly incredible, and worth a long wait. And Radiator Springs Racers is just a really expensive dark ride with a low speed finale.

And yes, some folks don't go for E tickets. But they are in the very small minority.

And we'll see how many people go for rides pretty quick once everyone starts getting a lot fewer.

Jason

I'm an Ohio girl and therefore have no need to go to Orlando for my thrills. I just go to Cedar Point. Which if we are discussing pushing the thrill envelope, Universal is simply no match for Cedar Point. You can't compare any roller coasters in Universal or Disney World to Top Thrill Dragster and Millennium Force.

I go to Orlando for a totally immersive vacation experience. Disney knows that. They have chosen a niche and instead of trying to compete with Top Thrill Dragster and failing, they go after their niche: Kids, parents, and grandparents from all over the world playing and laughing TOGETHER. It's always been their business plan and it will remain so. Universal has tried to merge two separate plans. They merged that gap. And done a good job at it.

But I prefer to be immersed in pixie dust and princesses and international lands than the Simpsons, Harry Potter, and super heros. And I get my thrill rides elsewhere.

I'm totally cool that other people prefer Harry Potter to Tinkerbell. And I very much understand all of the reasons to prefer Harry Potter and Spiderman. But I choose differently.

And my dad doesn't ride any thrill rides. And doesn't like Spiderman, Simpsons, or Harry Potter. But he thoroughly enjoyed meeting Chip and Dale and eating dinner with Mickey Mouse.

I think you are wrong that people will start switching. People who love a niche, continue to love that niche.

Just look at Dr. Who. Or Downton Abbey. Telling Dr. Who fans why Downton Abbey is superior will not convince them. They are two very different groups of people with a few people who love both. That doesn't make either show stupid or not trying hard enough. It makes them different. And different is good.

 

[mom2rtk]

Indy at DL is amazing. And WAY better than Spiderman in my opinion. Way! Spiderman as an entire ride (queue and all) wasn't nearly as immersive and it kind of hurts my neck. Indy has all the wonderful qualities of being totally immersive without injuring me. SO jealous of Indy as an east coast WDWer. I'd give up the show in a heartbeat for the ride!

I totally agree. We completely rescheduled a trip to DLR a few years back when we found out Indy would be down for refurb. Took a hit on one of our hotel rooms to do it. But every member of our family loves that ride. And several of them will walk right past Dinosaur and not bother to ride.

They're building DVC resorts quicker than they're putting up a single attraction. I can't believe how long this has taken.

I think those actions speak volumes about Disney's priorities.

 

[JanaDee]

Here is my conclusion of this thread - some people are so closed-minded that it makes no sense to try to rationalize with them.

No, they think they know everything and no one can tell them any different. I'm very familar with the MO since I deal with it on a daily basis with my 17 year old.

 

[JanaDee]

They're building DVC resorts quicker than they're putting up a single attraction. I can't believe how long this has taken.

Yes, they are, which is why I believe the tiering system was put in place. As it is, they have too many people and not enough attractions. Adding new rooms with nowhere for those "extra" people to go has become a capacity issue.

 

[disneylovin24]

I'm an Ohio girl and therefore have no need to go to Orlando for my thrills. I just go to Cedar Point. Which if we are discussing pushing the thrill envelope, Universal is simply no match for Cedar Point. You can't compare any roller coasters in Universal or Disney World to Top Thrill Dragster and Millennium Force.

I go to Orlando for a totally immersive vacation experience. Disney knows that. They have chosen a niche and instead of trying to compete with Top Thrill Dragster and failing, they go after their niche: Kids, parents, and grandparents from all over the world playing and laughing TOGETHER. It's always been their business plan and it will remain so. Universal has tried to merge two separate plans. They merged that gap. And done a good job at it.

But I prefer to be immersed in pixie dust and princesses and international lands than the Simpsons, Harry Potter, and super heros. And I get my thrill rides elsewhere.

I'm totally cool that other people prefer Harry Potter to Tinkerbell. And I very much understand all of the reasons to prefer Harry Potter and Spiderman. But I choose differently.

And my dad doesn't ride any thrill rides. And doesn't like Spiderman, Simpsons, or Harry Potter. But he thoroughly enjoyed meeting Chip and Dale and eating dinner with Mickey Mouse.

I think you are wrong that people will start switching. People who love a niche, continue to love that niche.

Just look at Dr. Who. Or Downton Abbey. Telling Dr. Who fans why Downton Abbey is superior will not convince them. They are two very different groups of people with a few people who love both. That doesn't make either show stupid or not trying hard enough. It makes them different. And different is good.

No, they think they know everything and no one can tell them any different. I'm very familar with the MO since I deal with it on a daily basis with my 17 year old.

Again, just because I like a certain type of vacation that not many others agree with here does not automatically make me close minded or a know it all. I shared my side of things and why I continue to go to WDW and there is nothing wrong with that. I respect people who prefer Universal now or think WDW needs to improve because they can spend their money how they want, I just wanted to share a different side of things than many others were. My bad for disagreeing with the minority on how I want to vacation

 

[rastuso]

As I already said, I don't go to a WDW park every day while I am there. I go to 2, MK and EPCOT, deeply enjoy spending a day at both then spend the rest of my trip relaxing in a variety of ways that WDW offers.


Then I don't understand how you arent' paying a lot. Either you are paying a lower amount for every day, or a lot per day.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" The reason I don't care if I get the same WDW vacation over and over again, even though I don't, is that the vacations are so enjoyable for me I can easily repeat them over and over again and won't care.

When it takes 3-4 years to fix something, not being proactive can really be a big issue. You do realize FP+ IS Disney's fix to their lack of rides, right? Instead of building more, they chose to limit how many rides you get. I mean, that's not my opinion, that is the FACT of FP+.


I waited over a hour to ride Dinosaur last week. I would like the name to be Countdown to Extinction again, but I don't care what the name is, it has nothing to do with the ride. And honestly, I have no idea what ride it even copied and I am sure many others who visit WDW don't either so I don't think that matters to people.

So you are using Christmas Vacation wait times to justify the popularity Dinosaur? But it does lead into the reason why FP+ is taking over.

It copied Indiana Jones. You really should get out to more parks, trust me, there are much better rides out there than what WDW has to offer. If you open your eyes, you just might be amazed!


I adore Soarin' and looking at the wait times it still has it is safe to say a lot of other people do. I have never seen Soarin' have below a hour wait no matter what time of year I have been, I think that is a sign of how good that ride is doing.

Yeah, it's odd. I won't wait more than 15 minutes for it. And most certainly would never use FP+ for it. But, really, what else is there to ride at EPCOT? I don't believe it gets anywhere near those waits at DCA, where there are many more choices.


And yes, some folks don't go for E tickets. But they are in the very small minority.

I disagree with this, if people cared about big rides I don't think they would be going to WDW at all. In that case I think people would be heading to theme parks that specialize in thrill rides and coasters. I think when people come to WDW they know they are not getting the absolute greatest rides in the world but that is ok because of other things WDW has to offer.

Disney used to ABSOLUTELY build the greatest rides in the world. The only exception is in the tallest/fastest/loopiest roller coasters. And even in Walt's day the Matterhorn was an absolute marvel of a roller coaster. How can you even make a statement like that?



Jason

 

[rastuso]

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If you are implying that Dinosaur copied Spider-Man (and Transformers), then you forget about Indiana Jones at DLR. It was the first EMV ride system and Dinosaur is more a clone of it than anything. It predates Spider-Man. Actually, according to Wiki, Dinosaur also predates Spider-Man, but only by about a year. Who copied who?

I absolutely wasn't implying Dinosaur copied Spider-Man. Disney didn't build Spider-Man. Spider-Man was a massive improvement over Indy, while Dinosaur was a massive disappointment after Indy. To me, when those two rides came out, it was the beginning of the dominance of Universal over Disney in the cutting edge ride race. And Disney keeps falling.

Jason

 

[disneylovin24]

I just don't get how Disney can copy Disney? Disney designed Dinosaur after Indiana Jones, another Disney ride. Disney took their own idea and added a different them to it! That isn't copying.

And most of this thread has been about how Disney does not have as good of rides anymore as other parks, but the second I say that it is absurd? Really? Thought I was just stating what others have.

 

[disneylovin24]

I absolutely wasn't implying Dinosaur copied Spider-Man. Disney didn't build Spider-Man. Spider-Man was a massive improvement over Indy, while Dinosaur was a massive disappointment after Indy. To me, when those two rides came out, it was the beginning of the dominance of Universal over Disney in the cutting edge ride race. And Disney keeps falling.

Jason

My bet is most people that have ridden Dinosaur have never ridden Indy. I could be entirely wrong but I don't think many people know they are riding an inferior ride when they ride Dinosaur.

One thing I found my most recent trip is that a lot of first timers were visiting Disney and experiencing it all for the first time. It is awesome to hear people's reactions to rides and shows when it is their first time and it is a reminder of how magical Disney's rides can be to people.

You'll love this, when I rode Soarin' a ton of people clapped after

And again, my response to Disney falling to Universal in the rides race is I don't care about having the most cutting edge rides when I vacation, I care a bout a lot of other things. But hey, again that is just me and if other people want to flock over to the more cutting edge rides at Universal, go ahead! Nobody is stopping you, I am just sharing why I think a lack of rides will not doom WDW.

 

[rastuso]

Here is my conclusion of this thread - some people are so closed-minded that it makes no sense to try to rationalize with them.

Dude, your posts are awesome!!

It is amazing that someone would be so absolutely against going anywhere besides Disney, even if they admit they like the major IP being used at another park just a few miles away for absolutely state of the art rides.

Jason

 

[disneylovin24]

Dude, your posts are awesome!!

It is amazing that someone would be so absolutely against going anywhere besides Disney, even if they admit they like the major IP being used at another park just a few miles away for absolutely state of the art rides.

Jason

Does it really matter to you where I want to vacation? I have presented reasons and reasons over and over again why I go and stay at WDW to vacation. I am entitled to the vacation I want. Yes, I like Harry Potter but I still like Disney movies and characters better and just don't feel the need yet to take time from a vacation I love to check it out. I also have stated over and over again that I don't care much about rides, so no I am not going to care about running a few miles away for more state of the art rides. That is how I vacation, I can vacation whichever way I want and if I enjoy it and don't want to change it I don't think it makes me close minded. I think it just means that I want to go on my one vacation a year to a place I know I still LOVE and enjoy more than anything. You can vacation how you want, I will vacation how I want.