Sen. Boxer/Condy Rice

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Nice e-mail from Senator Boxer thanking us for our support.
I can't thank all of you enough -- the Daily Kos community, and the blogosphere as a whole -- for all of your effective work during the recent debate over Condoleezza Rice's nomination. Your support and participation in this critical debate meant so much to me.

More than 94,000 Americans from across the country signed my petition and stood together to demand the truth from Condoleezza Rice. It was truly an overwhelming response -- much more than I could have anticipated. You helped to get our message out to millions of Americans -- I couldn't have done it without you.

And you made a difference. You gave me the voice I needed to ask the tough questions during Dr. Rice's confirmation hearings. And you gave the entire United States Senate the voice it needed to take its "advice and consent" responsibility seriously. In fact, Condoleezza Rice received 13 votes against her confirmation -- the most votes against any Secretary of State's nomination since 1825.

Two weeks ago, who would have thought that Condoleezza Rice's nomination would allow us to have a full debate about our policy in Iraq? Who would have thought that we'd have the chance to truly expose all of the misstatements and misjudgments that led us into that conflict and continue to plague this Administration to this very day?

The Republican Senate leadership intended to easily approve Dr. Rice's nomination in a routine voice vote last Thursday afternoon, after President Bush's Inauguration and before the Inaugural balls got into full swing.

But you didn't let them ram this nomination through the Senate. You forced the Republican leadership to give us the debate we wanted on the floor of the United States Senate, and you gave us the opportunity we desperately needed to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush Administration accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism.

The American people deserved no less.

As you and I both know, this is just one more of the many battles we'll be having as we fight for our nation's future. It started with contesting the Ohio vote, it continued with the debate over Dr. Rice's confirmation, and it will certainly continue over the Gonzalez nomination and on many other looming issues. We're going to need to keep working together to make our voices heard and build a better America.

I enjoyed the dialogue we started over the past few weeks, including the chat I had with Armando and DavidNYC on the eve of the committee hearings, and I look forward to future interactions with the Daily Kos community. I hope to have the time to drop by here and participate in the discussion from time to time -- I value your input, and I thank you for caring so much about the future of our country.

Thanks again for all of your hard work. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your continued support. And I look forward to standing with you in the days, weeks, and months ahead.

In Friendship,

Barbara Boxer
Senator Boxer did a great service for the country.
 
What support that 94,000 people emailed her to thank her? Didn't someone say that Bush does not have a majority beacuse he only won by 3 million out of 120 million cast?? So what does that make 94,000 emailers?? Not a whole lot. Look at the map of the red vs. blue and see for yourself where all the blue people live. In very concentrated areas. It makes you wonder who really is mainstream.
 
WWTBAMFAN said:
Bet

You wrongfully accused me of lying and you lied about your intentions with respect to the article. It is no wonder that you can support liars like Bush and Condi.

Which liars do you support?
 

superbird said:
What support that 94,000 people emailed her to thank her? Didn't someone say that Bush does not have a majority beacuse he only won by 3 million out of 120 million cast?? So what does that make 94,000 emailers?? Not a whole lot. Look at the map of the red vs. blue and see for yourself where all the blue people live. In very concentrated areas. It makes you wonder who really is mainstream.


I'm a "blue person" and I live in a town of 8000 people.
 
WWTBAMFAN said:
Nice e-mail from Senator Boxer thanking us for our support. Senator Boxer did a great service for the country.

85-15. Rice confirmed. Remind me again how successful she was? :confused3
 
peachgirl said:
And I find it amusing that right wingers, you know the ones who just love to sit on their moral high horses, no longer care whether liars are in office. Even when the lies they tell actually affect their jobs.

Oh, we care. We got rid of Nixon and tried to get rid of Clinton. Now, I'm sure if there prove to be other liars in office, like Nixon and Clinton were proven to be (Clinton even at his own admission), then I'm sure we will want to get rid of them, too. It seems it's the Dems that don't care when there are MULTIPLE liars in office. Interesting qualifier there at the end of your sentence. I guess lying to a grand jury in a criminal investigation doesn't really affect ones job, now does it? I mean, surely we can trust people to tell the truth about some things and not others, right?

85-15, confirmed. Next whine?
 
WWTBAMFAN said:
LOL. dmadman I do not care what you think but I do find your attempt to argue amusing. BTW, I am still laughing at your attack on Senator Dayton. When you can not defeat the logic of a post, just attack the source.

With the amount of responding you do, it sure seems like you do care. You're not lying, are you?

85-15, confirmed.
 
dmadman43 said:
Actually he addressed me specifically.

Oh right, I guess starting a paragraph with "Bet," really means "Davy." :rolleyes:

WWTBAMFAN said:
Bet, you haven not presented your analysis of the New York Times article that you demanded that I provide you the link to. You stated last night that you wanted to review the article because this article was the source of many of the attacks by the Democrats against Condi. What is the status of your review?
 
dmadman43 said:
Actually he addressed me specifically.
Dmadman, your reading comprehension remains poor. I was addressing Bet in that post. Go put your glasses on and re-read the post. :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :bounce: :bounce:
 
WWTBAMFAN said:
Dmadman, your reading comprehension remains poor. I was addressing Bet in that post. Go put your glasses on and re-read the post. :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :bounce: :bounce:

I thought you said you didn't care what I thought? Were you lying?
 
Laura said:
Oh right, I guess starting a paragraph with "Bet," really means "Davy." :rolleyes:

Why do you continue to call me Davy when that's not my name? Whatever :rolleyes:
 
dmadman43 said:
I thought you said you didn't care what I thought? Were you lying?
I do not care what you think. Again, thank you for the funniest thing that has been posted on the DIS for sometime. I have to post it one more time because it is that funny.
dmadman43 said:
Isn't Sen Dayton the same one that closed his office in Washington due to a supposed terror threat? Did he lie to the people about the substance of the threat? Did he lie to his fellow members of Congress on why he shut his office? LIAR!!

What is is they say? If you don't have the law on your side, attack the facts. If you don't have the facts on your side, attack the person. .
dmadman, do you realize that your weak response to the excellant points raised by Senator Dayton was by attacking him instead of dealing with the substance of his comments. You are guilty of the crime that you are accusing the democrats of committing. Thank you for the joke. It is one of the funniest things that I have seen in a while.
Thank you dmadman.
 
WWTBAMFAN said:
I do not care what you think. Again, thank you for the funniest thing that has been posted on the DIS for sometime. I have to post it one more time because it is that funny. Thank you dmadman.


Sure sounds like you care.
 
I guess lying to a grand jury in a criminal investigation doesn't really affect ones job, now does it?



Remind me again how many people died as a result of Clinton lying about having sex?
 
peachgirl said:
Remind me again how many people died as a result of Clinton lying about having sex?


Remind us again the proof you have that Bush lied? Take your time.
 
Charade said:
Remind us again the proof you have that Bush lied? Take your time.

"So many lies, so little time";


Bush lies and deceptions
From SourceWatch
Table of contents [showhide]
1 Chronicles

1.1 Books
1.2 SourceWatch Articles
1.3 External Links


1.3.1 Data Base
1.3.2 General
1.3.3 Iraq specific
1.3.4 Dated Material


2 Instances

3 Tools

4 Analysis

[edit]Chronicles
Lies and Deceptions of the Bush Regime are chronicled, in part, at and through the following:




[edit]Books
Joe Conason, Big Lies:The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth, Thomas Dunne Books; 25 May 2003
Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq, Jeremy P. Tarcher/Penguin, July 2003.
Jim Hightower, Thieves in High Places: They've Stolen Our Country--And Its Time to Take It Back, Viking Press; (August 14, 2003)
Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right (http://al-franken.com/), E P Dutton; (August 29, 2003)
David Corn, The Lies of George W. Bush: mastering the politics of deception (http://bushlies.com/), Crown Publisher, September 2003
Paul Krugman, The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century, W.W. Norton & Company, September 2003
Kevin Phillips, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, Viking Press; (January 1, 2004)
Ron Suskind with Paul O'Neill, The Price of Loyalty (http://thepriceofloyalty.ronsuskind.com/), Simon and Schuster, January 2004.
Eric Alterman and Mark Green, The Book on Bush: How George W. (Mis)leads America (http://www.thebookonbush.com/), Penguin Books, 2004.
Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud : The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties, Scribner; (March 16, 2004)
Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies : Inside the White House's War on Terror--What Really Happened, Free Press; (March 22, 2004)
John W. Dean, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush, Little Brown & Company; 1st edition (April 2004)
Joseph Wilson, The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Exposed My Wife's CIA Identity--A Diplomat's Memoir, Carroll & Graf; (April 30, 2004)
Chalmers Johnson, The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic
Paul Rutherford, Weapons of Mass Persuasion: Marketing The War Against Iraq
Danny Schechter, Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception
Lou Dubose and Molly Ivins, Bushwacked
Norman Solomon, Target Iraq: What The News Media Didn't Tell You

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[edit]SourceWatch Articles
'A war sold on deception'
Bush administration flip flops
Bush administration investigations
Bush administration propaganda and disinformation
Bush administration rationales for war in Iraq
Bush administration smear campaigns
Bush regime charades
Compassiongate
Cooked intelligence
Richard A. Clarke
State of the Union 2003
State of the Union 2004
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Republican Connection
Weapons of mass deception

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[edit]External Links
[edit]Data Base
Searchable Data Base (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/apps/custom/cap/findorg.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=45294) by "Topics" or by "Speakers" at Center for American Progress.
[edit]General
Articles:

"All the Presidents's Lies," (http://www.prospect.org/issue_pages/bushlies.html) Selected Articles from The American Prospect.
bush-lies.blogspot.com, with citation links to the most current articles.
Barry Yeoman, "Lying is a key part of the way the Bush administration governs," (http://www.barryyeoman.com/articles/bushlies.html)barryyeoman.com, February 18, 2004.
Tom Daschle, Floor Statement of Sen. Daschle on the Abuse of Government Power (http://democrats.senate.gov/~dpc/releases/2004330506.html), U.S. Senate, Office of the Floor Leader, March 30, 2004: Richard A. Clarke "did something extraordinary when he testified before the 9-11 Commission last week. He didn't try to escape blame, as so many routinely do. Instead, he accepted his share of responsibility and offered his perceptions about what happened in the months and years leading up to September 11. ... The retaliation from those around the President has been fierce. ... The point was to damage Mr. Clarke in any way possible. ... This is wrong-and it's not the first time it's happened. ... There are some things that simply ought not be done - even in politics. Too many people around the President seem not to understand that, and that line has been crossed."
Sidney Blumenthal, "For Bush, lies follow lies. For those who backed Bush, the argument over the Iraq war has moved beyond facts and on to pure fervor," (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/05/03/2003153981) Guardian/UK, May 3, 2004.
Thom Hartmann, "Bush Family Wounds America Below The Belt Line" (http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0907-15.htm), Published on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Columbia Journalism Review observes major news organizations fact-checking the lies told at Republican National Convention speeches. [1] (http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000889.asp)
After a dismal performance by the major news organizations in fact-checking the Wednesday night assertions and accusations of Vice President Cheney and Sen. Zell Miller, Campaign Desk woke up this morning to a new world: the Associated Press, the New York Times, and the Washington Post, as if the scales had fallen from their eyes, rose up as one and subjected the speakers at the last night of the Republican National Convention -- including the president -- to a rigorous fact-check. Moving at last beyond he-said/she-said reporting, all three news organizations struck back in their own voice at the mis-statements and subtle distortions of the record that the evening's speakers produced.
The Times history review found that "President Bush's acceptance speech last night included assertions about his accomplishments and Senator John Kerry's past statements and voting patterns that were at best selective, and in some cases challenged by the historical record."
As the Post put it in its summary, the Republican National Convention speakers time and again put forth claims that were "at best selective and in many cases stripped of their context."
Pages:

SpinSanity (http://www.spinsanity.org/topics/#GWBush) citations; "Bush's rhetoric bears no resemblence to his policies".
68 of One Thousand Reasons (http://www.thousandreasons.org/listB.html#Honesty), with citation links.
The 'Left Coaster' Bush Administration Lies Archives (http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/cat_bush_administration_lies.html).
The Photographic History of the Bush Administration Putting Its Mouth Where Its Money Isn't (http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm), produced by the House Appropriations Committee.
Blame the CIA? Top 30 Bush - Iraq Lies Debunked BEFORE The Invasion (http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000181.php). Even before the invasion began, both the CIA and the FBI said the administration was wrong.
Sites:

MisLeader.org (http://misleader.org/).
TruthIsBetter.org (http://www.truthisbetter.org/).
BushLies.net (http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/index.htm).
BushWatch-The Complete File (http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/bushwatch/bushwatch_archive.cfm), AFL-CIO.
BushWatch (http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm) tally.
WhatReallyHappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/articleslies.html)
DBunker (http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/), setting the record straight on campaign lies.
"Incomprehensive List of Bush Lies and Dirty Tricks." (http://www.teach-online.de/dateien/hpp/Peter-Gloede/bush/lies.htm)
[edit]Iraq specific
Henry A. Waxman's "Iraq on the Record: The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq" (http://www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/)
Our Nation Betrayed: The Iraq WMD Intelligence Deception (http://informationclearinghouse.info/article5878.htm)
"A Chart of Bush Lies about Iraq," (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html), BuzzFlash, July 22, 2003.
Sam Smith, "Revision Thing: A history of the Iraq war, told entirely in Lies (http://harpers.org/RevisionThing.html)," Harper's Magazine, September 2003.
David Sirota, Christy Harvey, and Judd Legum, "Iraq: One Year, Many Distortions," (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=6228#1), Center for American Progress, March 19, 2004: "Underestimated Cost," "Underestimated Troops," "Underestimated Violence," "No Exit Plan," "No WMD," and "War on Terror Weakened by Iraq."
[edit]Dated Material
William Rivers Pitt, "We Used to Impeach Liars," (http://truthout.org/docs_03/060303A.shtml) Truthout, June 3, 2003.
Timothy Noah, "Why This Bush Lie? Part 1. It wasn't his first," (http://slate.msn.com/id/2085689) Slate, July 15, 2003.
Robert Parry, "Lying -- a Bush Family Value," (http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/071803a.html), Consortium News, July 18, 2003.
Steve Perry, "The Bush administration's top 40 lies about war and terrorism," (http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp) City Pages, July 30, 2003.
Democratic National Committee, "Meet the Truth," (http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00010398.html) democrats.org, February 8, 2004: "President Bush's February 8 campaign stop on Meet the Press failed to answer the questions the American people deserve to hear about his failed policies. Instead, Bush took the opportunity to spin the facts and continue misleading the American people." See research report "Responding to Bush on NBC's Meet The Press" (pdf) (http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/meetthetruth.pdf).
David MacMichael, "Untruth and Consequences: What We Know We Know," (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/03/con04118.html) Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, March 17, 2004.
Ehsan Ahrari, "A War (At Any Cost) President," (http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10136) TomPaine, March 24, 2004. Editor's Note: This piece originally appeared in Asia Times online on March 23, 2004.
John Kerry, "Bush and Cheney in the Tank," (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...snw/kerry__bush_and_cheney_in_the_tank163_xml) U.S. Newswire, March 24, 2004: "George Bush and Dick Cheney campaigned promising to make energy a centerpiece of their Administration's agenda. They told us they knew how to manage the nation's energy policy because they had worked in the energy industry. But almost four years later, big oil company executives are earning record profits, and today a new Automobile Association of America (AAA) study confirms that consumers are now paying the highest gas prices ever."
Lolita C. Baldor, "Kennedy Compares Bush to Richard Nixon," (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3943673,00.html), AP, April 5, 2004: "Iraq has become 'George Bush's Vietnam,' Sen. Edward M. Kennedy said Monday, calling the president deceitful and for the first time comparing him to former President Nixon, who resigned in disgrace. ... Saying that truth has become the biggest casualty of the Bush administration, Kennedy said Bush misled the public about the war, the economy, health care and education, eroding the nation's reputation at home and abroad. ... 'As a result, this president has now created the largest credibility gap since Richard Nixon,' Kennedy said in a speech (http://brookings.edu/comm/events/20040405.htm) at the Brookings Institution, a think tank. 'He has broken the basic bond of trust with the American people.'"

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[edit]Instances
Karen Ryan for the Medicare plan, with public funds no doubt.
Iraq WMD
Although there is documentation for any number of Bush lies and deceptions, the one which could perhaps be called the "Grand Daddy of Them All" originated with the events of September 11, 2001 and "ended" with the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) on March 19, 2003.
Op-ed columnist Paul Krugman, in the March 19, 2004, New York Times, points directly to President George W. Bush, who, merely a year ago, "had a global mandate to pursue the terrorists responsible for 9/11 (i.e. Al Qaeda), [but] went after someone else (Saddam Hussein) instead." [2] (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/opinion/19KRUG.html)
This "bait and switch" has not gone unnoticed, albeit that it has taken some time for some folks to catch on, as they say. See the SourceWatch article coalition of the willing: beginning of the end, beginning with what journalist Jim Lobe calls (http://antiwar.printthis.clickabili...antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=2139&partnerID=16) "Spanish blowback," for articles on the growing awareness among members of the coalition of the willing for unfolding events.
Another interesting event is something the Salon blogspot calls "Truth by Decree" (http://blogs.salon.com/0003379/2004/03/19.html#a111): "In case there was any question whether our invasion of Iraq has made the nation and the world safer, Congress has passed a resolution to that very effect." On March 11, 2004, Henry Hyde (R-IL) introduced House Resolution 557 (http://www.gop.gov/committeecentral/docs/bills/108/1/bill.asp?bill=hres557) which "affirms [among other things] that the United States and the world have been made safer with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime from power in Iraq." It passed (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll064.xml) 327-93 on March 17.
"The president's speech was misinformation, pure and simple," said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Executive Director. [3] (http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=15525&c=206) "The administration is making a series of deliberate misstatements to deceive the American public." about the PATRIOT Act.




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[edit]Analysis
Optical Dilusion: Maureen Dowd writes in the April 7, 2004, New York Times Op-Ed "Mired in a Mirage" (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/04/opinion/04DOWD.html?th) that "All White Houses spin and lots of presidents stray into fiction. ... Johnson on Vietnam. Nixon on Watergate. Bill Clinton trying to squeeze through silly semantic loopholes on his sex life. And when Ronald Reagan made statements that turned black into white -- trees caused pollution or welfare queens drove Caddys -- his aides said that authenticity was irrelevant because the Gipper was sharing 'parables' or 'notions,' reflecting larger truths as he saw them."

However, she adds, "By holding back documents, officials, information, images and the sight of returning military coffins, by twisting and exaggerating facts to fit story lines, by demonizing anyone who disagrees with its version of reality, this administration strives to create an optical delusion."

"Just as they once conjured a mirage of a Saddam sharing lethal weapons with Osama, now the president and vice president make the disingenuous claim that Al Qaeda is on the run (http://www.SourceWatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Operation_Enduring_Freedom) and that many of its capos are behind bars. Meanwhile, counterterrorism experts say terrorism has become hydra-headed, and one told Newsweek that the spawned heads have perpetrated more major terror attacks in the 30 months since 9/11 than in the 30 months before. Experts agree that the nature of the threat has shifted, with more than a dozen regional militant Islamic groups reflecting growing strength."

"The president did not want to mar the gay mood of his fund-raiser here Wednesday night, so he did not mention the ghoulish slam dance in Falluja. As The Times's David Sanger wrote, 'In the Bush campaign, casualties are something to be alluded to obliquely, if at all.' In the Bush alternative universe of eternal sunshine, where the environment is not toxic and Medicare is not a budget buster, body bags and funerals just muddy the picture.

"Bush strategists say that good or bad Iraq news is still good for Mr. Bush; they think scenes of desecration (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/04/opinion/04SAND.html?th) will simply remind voters of his steely presidential resolve.

"The Bushies are busy putting a retroactive glow on their terrorism efforts, asserting that their plan was more muscular and 'comprehensive' than Mr. Clinton's. To support that Panglossian view, they held back a load of Clinton documents on terrorism (http://www.SourceWatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=National_Commission_on_Terrorist_Attacks_Upon_the_United_States:_Testimony_(External_Links:_April_2004)) from the 9/11 commission.

"If we can't take a cold, hard look at reality, how can we protect ourselves from terrorists? And how can we rescue Iraq from chaos? Now we're told the military is preparing an 'overwhelming' retaliation (http://www.SourceWatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Operation_Iraqi_Freedom:_Year_Two) to the carnage in Falluja. You can hear the clammy blast from the past: We're going to destroy that village to save it."


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Congressional ingestigation into "intelligence failures" behind the Iraq invasion: "like many Congressional investigations, this one has been set up to avoid answering key questions while wasting millions of taxpayer dollars that do not even exist because of huge budget deficits. The focus of the investigation was limited so that it addresses only the gathering of intelligence but not how forthright the administration presented intelligence to Congress, the U.N. or the American public. The Bush administration is also appointing all committee members so the investigation can hardly be independent. In addition, the scope was expanded to include intelligence on other countries such as Libya, Syria and North Korea and the time frame was pushed into 2005 so that the findings would not impact the 2004 election. Since the Congressional investigation has been corrupted, [Garland Favorito, author of Our Nation Betrayed, has] produced the following analysis of the exact intelligence known PRIOR to the invasion (http://informationclearinghouse.info/article5878.htm) and what the investigation will never reveal to the American public."


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Moe Blue, in his March 29, 2004, Bad Attitudes posting "Reliable Numbers", puts it this way: [4] (http://badattitudes.com/MT/)

"The Bush administration has a proven proclivity for doctoring the output of government agencies to suit the agenda of the moment. Whether it's messing with EPA reports (deleting all references to global warming, falsely claiming the air at Ground Zero is safe, etc.) or submitting known-false cost projections to Congress over the prescription drug benefit, the White House has shown time and time again its willingness to lie about anything and everything.
"All of which leads to the real dilemma: The reliability of the data issued by the White House is questionable, and that makes it difficult or impossible to govern the country, and impossible for business to flourish. The president's economic forecast, issued last month, was quickly proven to be so much fantasizing to meet the political needs of Team Bush. With that document now on the trash heap, how can Congress or the White House do any substantial planning for the next year?
"Similarly, the Bush budgets famously leave out known extreme expenses (i.e., the cost of the Iraq occupation). Again, this makes it impossible to prepare a budget that's based on anything other than blue-sky fantasies.
"All this should disturb voters of any political stripe -- from far-right to extreme left. If the data upon which our government governs is twisted or fabricated to suit instant political needs, governing is impossible. And that poses far more of a threat to our system of government and our way of life than any possible terrorist attack."

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Compare THIS (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html): George W. Bush's Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people. The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other." TO THIS (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/): "Just a Thought" by Joshua Marshall, Talking Points Memo, March 17, 2004: "One of the things we hear again and again (http://www.boston.com/dailynews/075/wash/WMD_or_no_WMD_administration_s:.shtml) from the administration is that Saddam Hussein still had both the intention and the capability to build and possess weapons of mass destruction. ... Isn't this a logical fallacy? ... I mean, if you have the intention to build WMDs and the ability to build them, then you have WMDs. It's about as close to 2 + 2 = 4 as you get in human affairs. ... We can infer from the fact that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction that he lacked either the intention or the ability to have them. Something is missing from the equation. Maybe he had the intention to build them later. Maybe he was working to get back the ability. But he really couldn't have had both."

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So..You are saying that all of these statements are lies?

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
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