Selling of the fastpass....

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Must be the heat or something because you folks have gone insane. I do not understand why we are still trying to prove if it was alright to use FP after the window, and whether or not it was a policy change or enforcement change.

I'm not sure why it matters because we have to work with what we have and that is enforced FP times. We can whine, cry, call each other names, stamp our feet, hold our breath until we turn blue. It's not going to change over that information.

We are surrounded with people here that spend time on the Disney boards. I hate to burst anyone's bubble but in the overall scope of Disney Guests, we aren't even a freckle on a hippos butt.

Fact: Disney started out with an enforced FP window and they did that for a reason. Over time it just became simpler to let people go in late then to argue with them. The numbers were too small to matter. Over more time that number probably grew. New CM's were introduced to the scene that never new the other policy really existed or were told to just let them in. Witnessed by the printing on the FP ticket the policy never changed. One hour time window. To have any affect on anything along with Policy comes Policy enforcement. What changed was policy enforcement. Seems like a small difference but if they were really pushing for anytime usage the FP would have stated a starting time to end of day.

What they have changed now is FP enforcement policy, but, you know what, that doesn't really amount to a snowball in hell when it comes to pointing a finger and saying that people were doing wrong when they used them later. The people that were in total control of that situation was Disney. Whatever reason they had, they created the monster. As an average guest, I have no idea exactly why they changed back to enforcement but with a little thought it would have to be the new system that they want to introduce.

I remember the wording used when a CM would tell you it's OK to use. It was worded like they were doing you a favor in the beginning, later they didn't say anything, they just took the pass and waved you through. Now they don't! That is the reality! That is what we now have to live with, whether or not we ever had to before. Throwing in moral standards is fruitless. There was nothing immoral about it. It was a perk that Disney happily (it seemed) extended to FP holders and over time I'm sure the reason was lost on everyone considering the turnover in the place.

Instead of whining about how it used to be why aren't we taking seriously the advice that is being given. Plan around the most important part of your schedule and if you say that riding splash mountain is the most important part then one should seriously reexamine their priority's.

I have offered some suggestions, but frankly the nature of the situation limits the number of options. What we have now is take a FP for a time that works for you without conflicts. If you have a conflict...don't take one. Seems harsh, but such is life sometimes. If you take one and then can't use it because of a change in plans, try to find a time that you can swap for with others. If you took one that you know conflicted and now you are stuck without one...well whose fault was that. You know the rules, why did you think that they didn't apply to you.

In the meantime, get over it. Fastpass is what it is until they change it again. My only hope is if the do change it again, it is better then now cause this stuff is tiring.

Psh, I agree with you from top to bottom. I found myself with some troll food today and couldn't resist, I guess.

It's been fun, though... and hey, I've gotten some free editing help from this thread! :goodvibes
 
At this point you are just blowing smoke and tossing around insults just because someone doesn`t agree with you. Kind of like an adult temper tantrum.

Not at all. Just curious as to why someone who claims to be such a credible source of Disney info, has so many inaccuracies on his website. Not only was FP info wrong but ADR info is wrong as well. Rope Drop info is wrong.

With so much error just within examining just one document, one would have to question the validity of anything else that he is saying.
 
Psh, I agree with you from top to bottom. I found myself with some troll food today and couldn't resist, I guess.

It's been fun, though... and hey, I've gotten some free editing help from this thread! :goodvibes

Funny how you agree with that considering you were arguing that it was Disney policy all along to accept late FPs but the poster is saying it was enforcement that changed and not policy.

amazing...
 

Not at all. Just curious as to why someone who claims to be such a credible source of Disney info, has so many inaccuracies on his website. Not only was FP info wrong but ADR info is wrong as well. Rope Drop info is wrong. Fastpass info was wrong.

With so much error just within examining just one document, one would have to question the validity of anything else that he is saying.

If you want to be very technical, you'll notice that I did not write that document - it is credited to DaveStroem from the Disboards. The article is three years old and hadn't been touched since the post date. When posted, it was 100% accurate. Fastpass and ADRs have changed, so I did update that. I'm not sure what your beef is about rope drop, but whatever.

But as we have clearly seen from this thread, you're not one to let facts stand in your way.

I will again say thanks for pointing out the issues, though.


Funny how you agree with that considering you were arguing that it was Disney policy all along to accept late FPs but the poster is saying it was enforcement that changed and not policy.

amazing...

As I said, you are I are arguing semantics, though I still hold my caveat that the late acceptance was an internal policy, as proven by the posted image before. The poster I agreed with "gets it". You don't (or won't).
 
Its all well and good but its not what I think policy is it is what Disney said it was in this memo:



AGAIN, Disney said that enforcement was not a change but a reminder of existing policy. Disney's words...not mine.

You fail to see this. Only enforcement changed and not policy. This is according to Disney...not me
Ooookay...so you say there has been no change other than a reminder of existing policy enforcement? So...Disney CM's ignored policy and did what they wanted to do, without permission from Disney? Doubt it. Disney allowed the FP return 'suggestion' to be unenforced. Big deal.
For the love of all that's holy...please, find another subject to debate....:scared::faint::badpc:
 
If you want to be very technical, you'll notice that I did not write that document - it is credited to DaveStroem from the Disboards. The article is three years old and hadn't been touched since the post date. When posted, it was 100% accurate. Fastpass and ADRs have changed, so I did update that. I'm not sure what your beef is about rope drop, but whatever.

But as we have clearly seen from this thread, you're not one to let facts stand in your way.

I will again say thanks for pointing out the issues, though.

Isnt it your website? the one you were boasting about previously when you touted your so called "credibility" and knowledge of Disney? Isnt it in your signature? Arent you responsible to maintain accurate knowledge?

Rope drop. Have you been to DHS lately? I was there last week and I didnt encounter a rope drop within the park. Again, you have wrong, outdated info on your website. And that is just from one article.




As I said, you are I are arguing semantics, though I still hold my caveat that the late acceptance was an internal policy, as proven by the posted image before. The poster I agreed with "gets it". You don't (or won't).

Semantics? That chart you presented never said that the official policy on FP changed, now did it? It just was a service recovery guideline for if a CM was presented with an expired FP. The poster that you agreed with, acknowledges that there NEVER was a change in FP policy while you continue to claim that there was while ignoring Disney saying that there was NEVER a change in policy.So sad you have such poor reading comprehension skills. If i were you I would fix all the errors that are on your website before you try to correct people on a message board.
 
T_catt11,

more wrong info on your website:

http://www.wdwinsiders.com/view_article.php?articleid=40

"All FASTPASS attractions will have distibution machines set up close to the standby line entrance."

Ooopps..wrong again Mr Credibility. Pop Quiz, genius...where does one get Winnie the Pooh Fastpasses in MK?

"hint: cast members will usually allow you to use a FASTPASS for a ride at any point after the earliest time listed on the pass, provided you use it during the same day"

Ouch....more outdated info.

do people REALLY come to you for advice on planning a trip to Disney? Feel sorry for them
 
My only complaint is that when you put someone on ignore, the system doesn't scrub the quotes in the replies... :crazy2:

Now, hypothetically, think about this:

If Disney starts selling access to NexPass, X-Gen, FastPass+, whatever ...

Does that change the moral imperative to avoid selling FPs if you have some available that you can't use?

It's just hypothetical, mind you...
 
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Almost 19,000 posts and my first ever use of the ignore button.

You're a more tolerant person than I am -- that individual has been a guest on my ignore list since the first thread where I encountered him/her. But you still have to read judiciously, because the drivel still shows up in the quote boxes.

Quote boxes -- gotta love 'em!
 
Funny when Larryz talks about posting drivel when he starts threads about rice cookers and what if Rock N Roll Roller Coaster played country music.

Still amazed how irony is lost on this bunch
 
Originally Posted by vicki_c
Almost 19,000 posts and my first ever use of the ignore button.

Originally Posted by Larryz
You're a more tolerant person than I am -- that individual has been a guest on my ignore list since the first thread where I encountered him/her. But you still have to read judiciously, because the drivel still shows up in the quote boxes.

You'll have to be a little more specific because when it comes to drivel, that would apply to a lot of us. :rotfl:
 
Mea culpa yet again. Two missteps in one thread. Almost as bad as me in real life. :)

No need to apologize, I'm just trying to disrupt the thread by adding in as much off topic garbage as I possibly can.
 
Funny when Larryz talks about posting drivel when he starts threads about rice cookers and what if Rock N Roll Roller Coaster played country music.

Still amazed how irony is lost on this bunch

I totally get that you are completely sold on these diatribes of yours.

What you may not realize is that with every attack on someone else, you reduce any chances you had at anyone else buying into what you're selling.

Whatever you do, please don't stop. You're currently tied for first for entertainment value with the guy from our local city council meetings who rants about the kids cutting through his yard on school days. We all need a cause, you have clearly found yours.
 
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