Secret ballots for union workers

[Magic Mom]

You make it sound like union organizers and reps have unlimited access to employees. When you are organizing a non union business everything is restricted.It's not like companies are allowing the unions to come in and present a "case" to employees and then let them decide what they'd like to do by secret ballot. The companies use every opportunity to bash unions and keep their employees away from organizers. That is why all organizing is done in such a secretive manner. Most times the people who are working with a union to organize have no idea who else is working with the union until the union feels that it has a strong enough majority to ask for a card check. The LAST thing a union wants is to get someone fired because they were helping to organize. It would be like only listening to one candidates stump speech and then saying go ahead VOTE. How is that democracy?

It's not and neither is taking away the opportunity for workers to make their decision with a secret ballot.

 

[justhat]

I don't have to have a personal stake to have an interest in a topic. The fact that I don't have a dog in the fight, might make me more unbiased. However, I do have family in unions, so I'm not clueless to how they feel. A few are for card check, and a few are against it.

ETA: The point you made about it being wierd that someone not in a union would care, got me thinking. That's exactly who should care, because those are the people that would possibly be affected if their workplace started to organize. If you are already in a union then the decision wouldn't affect you as long as you stayed at that job. If my workplace wanted to organize, I would not want card check, regardles of whether I wanted a union or not. I would want it to be my private decision, not open to organizer's or my employer's scrutiny. The only way for that to happen is a secert ballot.

I said not only union workers, but people currently working in shops that may unionize. The reason I think it's weird to be so against it is that unless you have been or are in one of those 2 situations, what experience do you have with the organization process? So why be so against what the labor leaders, democrats, and every union member who posted on this thread is in favor of? Clearly there are reasons why we all support this, some of which I have stated. Do you think the union reps and democratic politcians want to hurt unions/union workers?

Luckey - Good post. Your information is spot on.

 

[Tigger Woods]

Let the liberals' best friend, George McGovern, explain the dangers of employer based intimidation:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/15/video-mcgovern-on-card-check/

 

[Magic Mom]

I said not only union workers, but people currently working in shops that may unionize. The reason I think it's weird to be so against it is that unless you have been or are in one of those 2 situations, what experience do you have with the organization process? So why be so against what the labor leaders, democrats, and every union member who posted on this thread is in favor of? Clearly there are reasons why we all support this, some of which I have stated. Do you think the union reps and democratic politcians want to hurt unions/union workers?

Luckey - Good post. Your information is spot on.

You assume thatg because I have not been in a union, I have no knowledge. That isn't true.

I think union organizer's and reps will do what is best for themselves, and that is to do anything to promote big union. That isn't always what is in the best interest of all workers, no more than businesses always have the best interest of workers in mind.