School Suspension - Youngest?

[daisyduck123]

1st grade public school teacher chiming in

There are Kindergarten & 1st grade students suspended at my school every year. Last year, there was one student in particular in my class who was suspended several times for hitting/kicking/throwing crayons (and some of the time this was AT the principal).

 

[Becky2005]

Most private schools are not adequately equipped to deal with special learning or behavioral situations. I don't believe the teachers even have to be certified in most private schools.

I don't know about the certification but I do believe that not being equipped is true. Our church has a school & as a member we would have gotten a discount for our kids to go there. It's a fairly new school, so they definitely want the kids there. I would never put my kids in it because one has a reading disability and they just could NOT offer them the same type of help that the public school can. I would *hate* to have it on your record though that you were kicked out of a school -- that would just automatically indicate you are a difficult student vs. they just couldn't provide the extra help you needed.

 

[Mrs.Reese]

With no tolerance, our district had no choice but to expel a kindergarten student a few years ago for threatening a student with a gun. Sad but it's a reality now.

 

[Bluestars]

With no tolerance, our district had no choice but to expel a kindergarten student a few years ago for threatening a student with a gun. Sad but it's a reality now.

Did the child bring a real gun to school? If so, then I think expelling the child was the right thing to do. Any child who would threaten another child with a gun needs serious help and is a danger to other children. I would not want my kids attending school with a child who felt the need to threaten another child with a real gun. Never mind that the child shouldn't even have access to a weapon. There must be a lot of issues for the entire family.

 

[tasha99]

A few years ago I read about a kindergartner who was suspended for having a plastic knife in his backpack. The part I love about that story was that his parents sued the school district because he'd gotten it from the cafeteria. They sued them for giving a "weapon" to a minor. Never heard what happened, but it was ridiculous since the kid hadn't done anything with it other than put it in his backpack because he thought it was neat.

I think these no tolerance laws are ridiculous. My youngest son had an incident at school a few years ago. He and a friend got to pushing between desks, and his friend ended up with pinched fingers. Words and threats were exchanged. What I loved about him being at a private school was they didn't have a no tolerance policy. Instead of sending DS home for it, he had to go with the principal and clean the cafeteria for a few days. Much, much better, I thought, than making it into a bigger deal than it was. Usually, I think suspension is a lazy punishment kids love (no school, weeeee! I get to just be ignored for being bad rather than having to make amends. Yay. ). Must have worked because that was a few years ago and it never happened again.

 

[Luv Bunnies]

An emotionally disturbed 1st grader got suspended a few years ago for running off campus and hiding in the neighborhood. The principal, vice principal and several teaching assistants had to canvas the neighborhood while waiting for the police to respond. Luckily, he was found before he got too far away or, worse, hit by a car. He has a twin with the very same issues and the parents would not allow them to be placed in special ed. The district put them in different schools so the principals would only have to handle one of them at a time. When he came back to school after the suspension, they decided to determine the maximum amount of time he could spend in school each day before he started falling apart. The determination was that he could be there for an hour and be productive before he acted out. So, he would come on the 8:00 a.m. bus and leave on the 9:00 a.m. bus. Parents said they would rather he had 1 hour in regular ed with an aide that 6 hours in special ed. Makes you go .

 

[ksjayhawks]

Are you talking a day or two or long term? If long term, 5th grade for a semester, 6th grade expelled for a year.

Short term--1st grade for a day for bringing a weapon.

 

[MM27]

Only a 7th grader! Wow.

There is a 5th grade girl in my school that was sending naked pictures of herself to a boy, also in 5th grade. Guess she didn't think ahead. He then showed the pics to some of his friends. He got in trouble because he was showing them at school. I'm not sure if she got in any trouble at school though.

I teach 4th grade and some of the kids have suspension letters in their cumulative files that show suspensions in kindergarten. One of the boys in my class now was suspended for telling his teacher that he was going to stab her in the neck with a pencil and then he would stand over her and laugh. He's actually a really nice kid, just has a screwy family life.

 

[Shelton123]

My sister got suspended in Kindergarten for throwing a chair at the principal.

 

[tazdev3225]

I don't know if this counts but my DS was expelled from nursery school when he was 4 years old. He's the only one I've ever heard of achieving this feat.

 

[ksjayhawks]

I don't know if this counts but my DS was expelled from nursery school when he was 4 years old. He's the only one I've ever heard of achieving this feat.

Actually, that is not uncommon for a child to be removed from a daycare or preschool.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

I've read studies that say that the grade from which students are most likely to be suspended or expelled is preschool, largely because a much higher percentage of children that age are in private programs.

 

[Macca1111]

A boy in my first grade class brought a bb gun to school and threatened to shoot the principal...he should have been suspended long before that for his behavior in class.

 

[golfgal]

Most private schools are not adequately equipped to deal with special learning or behavioral situations. I don't believe the teachers even have to be certified in most private schools.

Most private schools are not required to hire licensed teachers but in order to be an accredited school you have to have licensed teachers so most private schools DO have licensed teachers.

In our state private schools have access to the same special ed programs as you would get in a public school but most people are not going to pay tuition for a profoundly disabled student to attend a private school. There are programs for various levels of LD's though.

Keep in mind that there is a HUGE difference between suspended and expelled and many people here are using the term interchangeably. Suspended is temporary-for a few days or weeks, expelled is permanent--never return to the school again.

I know of a 2 year old that got kicked out of 5 different day cares-does that count? The mom of this child openly admitted she refused to discipline her children because she wasn't with them enough and didn't want to seem like the 'bad guy' . Her kids are now 20, 17 and 14 and OH BOY are they troublemakers. The 20 year old got expelled from school (he was the one that got kicked out of all the daycares), the 17 year old has a rap sheet from the school a mile long--the 14 year old will be pregnant soon from what it sounds like--nice job mom .

 

[kellyg403]

Welp..I will admit that my dd..now 21..was kicked out of daycare at 3 because she was a bitter. No matter what we did, how we disciplined she was a biter.

But she sailed through the rest of school...she always had to find out if the teacher was serious but she was never expelled again.

Kelly

 

[3doodlebugsmom]

Kindergarten. A little girl took her shoe off and threw it at the teacher. She just missed!

 

[castleview]

My kid's public school just suspended a boy for punching a girl in the face. DD had a story about this kid's behavior almost everyday before this incident, so I'm good with him getting suspended.

I do know of a kid that got thrown out of the a Catholic school in first grade. She had to have been very difficult as the Catholic schools around here are so hurting that it's almost impossible to get kicked out these days.

 

[barkley]

Most private schools are not required to hire licensed teachers but in order to be an accredited school you have to have licensed teachers so most private schools DO have licensed teachers.

In our state private schools have access to the same special ed programs as you would get in a public school but most people are not going to pay tuition for a profoundly disabled student to attend a private school. There are programs for various levels of LD's though.

Keep in mind that there is a HUGE difference between suspended and expelled and many people here are using the term interchangeably. Suspended is temporary-for a few days or weeks, expelled is permanent--never return to the school again.

I know of a 2 year old that got kicked out of 5 different day cares-does that count? The mom of this child openly admitted she refused to discipline her children because she wasn't with them enough and didn't want to seem like the 'bad guy' . Her kids are now 20, 17 and 14 and OH BOY are they troublemakers. The 20 year old got expelled from school (he was the one that got kicked out of all the daycares), the 17 year old has a rap sheet from the school a mile long--the 14 year old will be pregnant soon from what it sounds like--nice job mom .

it depends on the accrediting agency weather licensing or even a minimum standard of education is required, and even those that do have requirements can be lax in what they will accept. many private schools are well aware of this, take advantage of it-and can be downright deceptive with parents regarding the professional/education standing of their teaching staff.

i worked for a private school as a teacher-accredited through one of the very respected national organizations. although i had multiple degrees and was credentialed to teach multiple subjects i never taught in a k-12 classroom. reason being was their accredidation organization only required that a certain percentage of the 'teaching staff' had to be degreed and credentialed-but they did'nt go so far as to say what capacity that 'teaching staff' had to serve in. because one of the degrees and certifications i held met the state requirement for preschool and in that state your preschool could get shut down if any single teacher did'nt meet the legal criteria, i was hired to teach in that capacity-however, because i was deemed 'teaching staff', my degree and credentialing served the purpose of helping the school meet their accredidation agency's standards for their k-12 teachers. of the teachers in that school, there were maybe 2 or 3 k-12 that had full blown credentials, maybe half a dozen that had any kind of college degree, and far too many that had maybe at best a handfull of college units (often they were members of the affiliated church, started out working for the school in clerical capacities as a volunteer, moved into minimum wage teaching assistant jobs and after a few years went on to be, sans and formal training-full blown teachers).

a VERY high profile and well thought of private school where we used to live touted that their teachers were ALL degreed. what they did'nt share was that the degrees their teachers had might have no relationship to teaching whatsoever or might be far removed from the subject they taught. i was absolutly floored when a parent i knew as a lunch/activities monitor was excitedly announcing she had been hired as the new highschool chemistry teacher-in congratulating her i said i did'nt realize she had a teaching credential. she said she did'nt but it was'nt a 'problem' because she had a college degree, i asked what her degree was in (silly me, i figured education and or one of the sciences at the very least)-my stomach dropped when she said her degree was in COSMETOLOGY i asked how cosmetology related to teaching chemestry and she said 'well we learned all about mixing hair dyes and other chemicals so the school said it's basicly the same thing'

i'm not saying this is how all private schools work-the school ds goes to (and dd went to when she was younger) and all it's affiliated schools requires every teacher to not only meet but exceed whatever the state's public school teacher licensing criteria is for the state in which they teach.

 

[Inigo]

Keep in mind that there is a HUGE difference between suspended and expelled and many people here are using the term interchangeably. Suspended is temporary-for a few days or weeks, expelled is permanent--never return to the school again.

Expelled is not forever. They can only expel the student up to the beginning of the next school year. Then the fun behavior starts again.

 

[barkley]

Expelled is not forever. They can only expel the student up to the beginning of the next school year. Then the fun behavior starts again.

it's 'forever' some places.

in our state expulsions can be permanant and a parent has to petition to get a child readmitted. they can try and enroll them at another school district but since it requires the district you live in and the district you want your kid to attend to both agree on allowing the child to attend outside their assigned (geographical) district, and you can't technicaly get a transfer from a district you're expelled from-it can be next to impossible to get around it that way.

the state has to provide education so different districts have different things in place for expelled students-it might be continuation school, on-line classes or something where the student meets with a teacher for just a couple of hours a week to receive the next weeks lessons, review what they've turned in previously, do testing (basicly you're expected to homeschool with public school oversite/free curriculum).

i don't know how it's set up here, but the school district we used to live in (in california) had certain offenses that carried a MINIMUM one calendar year expulsion, so if a kid did one of those the last week of the school year they were expelled until at minimum the last week of the following school year (and with those types of expullsions the school could require a multi step plan that had to be documented as followed during the period of expulsion in order to even submit an petition for re-admission, and if another school saw that type of expulsion on your record you could'nt get enrolled until the whole issue was cleared up).


the private school my kids attended in california (and actualy their affiliates all across the u.s.) started catching on when they ended up with disciplinary issues on kids that had enrolled after the begining of the school year (and it was'nt due to a move). they realized that parents were enrolling expelled kids. after a few realy nasty situations the education division of all the schools implemented a policy where a child could'nt be enrolled and begin attending until the principal made verbal contact with the principal at the kid's last school of records AND received the kid's paper records FROM that school (had some parents bring in supposed records that conveniently had missing information pertaining to disciplinary history).