School Suspension - Youngest?

[shellybaxter]

I've been the director of a child development center for over 10 years. We've only ever expelled one child in that time. We have suspended many. We don't suspend any child without lots and lots of intervention. We would never suspend a child because they wer a "biter" without a lot of discussion and hard work. We meet with parents and other experts - we make behavior plans - we do everything possible to help the child before resorting to expelling a child. The child who was expelled had anger and aggression issues and was 2.5 years old. In my opinion the interventions didn't work with this child because the parent really needed mental health care and wasn't capable of participating in the process.

 

[happygirl]

A boy in my first grade class brought a bb gun to school and threatened to shoot the principal...he should have been suspended long before that for his behavior in class.

That is so sad a first grader threating to kill someone. I hope that boy got the help he needed

 

[golfgal]

it's 'forever' some places.

in our state expulsions can be permanant and a parent has to petition to get a child readmitted. they can try and enroll them at another school district but since it requires the district you live in and the district you want your kid to attend to both agree on allowing the child to attend outside their assigned (geographical) district, and you can't technicaly get a transfer from a district you're expelled from-it can be next to impossible to get around it that way.

the state has to provide education so different districts have different things in place for expelled students-it might be continuation school, on-line classes or something where the student meets with a teacher for just a couple of hours a week to receive the next weeks lessons, review what they've turned in previously, do testing (basicly you're expected to homeschool with public school oversite/free curriculum).

i don't know how it's set up here, but the school district we used to live in (in california) had certain offenses that carried a MINIMUM one calendar year expulsion, so if a kid did one of those the last week of the school year they were expelled until at minimum the last week of the following school year (and with those types of expullsions the school could require a multi step plan that had to be documented as followed during the period of expulsion in order to even submit an petition for re-admission, and if another school saw that type of expulsion on your record you could'nt get enrolled until the whole issue was cleared up).


the private school my kids attended in california (and actualy their affiliates all across the u.s.) started catching on when they ended up with disciplinary issues on kids that had enrolled after the begining of the school year (and it was'nt due to a move). they realized that parents were enrolling expelled kids. after a few realy nasty situations the education division of all the schools implemented a policy where a child could'nt be enrolled and begin attending until the principal made verbal contact with the principal at the kid's last school of records AND received the kid's paper records FROM that school (had some parents bring in supposed records that conveniently had missing information pertaining to disciplinary history).

Same here, expulsion is permanent-but there is an appeals process and kids can TRY to get into another district but most won't take them. Just ask the 5 seniors from the hockey team in our old town how fun it is to get expelled from school with 3 months left of your senior year and lose your hockey scholarships .

 

[barkley]

Same here, expulsion is permanent-but there is an appeals process and kids can TRY to get into another district but most won't take them. Just ask the 5 seniors from the hockey team in our old town how fun it is to get expelled from school with 3 months left of your senior year and lose your hockey scholarships .

the schools athletic programs around here have a second BIG hammer they use on athletes-the association that the public school athletic programs belong to have their own set of rules which in most cases mirrors the rules the public schools have-but some of their rules are to a higher standard. so a kid's parent might be successful in appealing the actual suspension or expulsion from school, or might be successful in getting the kid enrolled in another district-but if the association has made the determination that whatever the kid was accused of was valid, no matter what an individual school ultimatly decides, the student can be sanctioned or deemed permanantly ineligible to play school sports AT ANY PUBLIC SCHOOL (or at least at the schools that are part of the association which is pretty much all of them).


if you get suspended from eligibility to participate and your sport ends before that time frame is served, the clock stops ticking and starts again when that sport begins it's next season (so even if you don't end up getting permanantly banned, if the timeing is such you can end up counting yourself out for up to two years of play, cuz the last thing the coaches want is a player whose inelgible for a good portion of the begining of the season).

 

[golfgal]

the schools athletic programs around here have a second BIG hammer they use on athletes-the association that the public school athletic programs belong to have their own set of rules which in most cases mirrors the rules the public schools have-but some of their rules are to a higher standard. so a kid's parent might be successful in appealing the actual suspension or expulsion from school, or might be successful in getting the kid enrolled in another district-but if the association has made the determination that whatever the kid was accused of was valid, no matter what an individual school ultimatly decides, the student can be sanctioned or deemed permanantly ineligible to play school sports AT ANY PUBLIC SCHOOL (or at least at the schools that are part of the association which is pretty much all of them).


if you get suspended from eligibility to participate and your sport ends before that time frame is served, the clock stops ticking and starts again when that sport begins it's next season (so even if you don't end up getting permanantly banned, if the timeing is such you can end up counting yourself out for up to two years of play, cuz the last thing the coaches want is a player whose inelgible for a good portion of the begining of the season).

The MN State High School league has it's own rules for all State High School league sanctioned events-sports, debate, speech, basically anything that competes at a state level. Same deal, suspended/expelled in one school same across the board at all schools.

 

[luvmy3]

A first grader for attacking a girl in class and the teacher. He came back but not for the whole day, was only allowed to be there under one on one supervision, and not allowed to ride the bus home. He now attends a different school better equipped to handle him.

 

[Shelton123]

it depends on the accrediting agency weather licensing or even a minimum standard of education is required, and even those that do have requirements can be lax in what they will accept. many private schools are well aware of this, take advantage of it-and can be downright deceptive with parents regarding the professional/education standing of their teaching staff.

i worked for a private school as a teacher-accredited through one of the very respected national organizations. although i had multiple degrees and was credentialed to teach multiple subjects i never taught in a k-12 classroom. reason being was their accredidation organization only required that a certain percentage of the 'teaching staff' had to be degreed and credentialed-but they did'nt go so far as to say what capacity that 'teaching staff' had to serve in. because one of the degrees and certifications i held met the state requirement for preschool and in that state your preschool could get shut down if any single teacher did'nt meet the legal criteria, i was hired to teach in that capacity-however, because i was deemed 'teaching staff', my degree and credentialing served the purpose of helping the school meet their accredidation agency's standards for their k-12 teachers. of the teachers in that school, there were maybe 2 or 3 k-12 that had full blown credentials, maybe half a dozen that had any kind of college degree, and far too many that had maybe at best a handfull of college units (often they were members of the affiliated church, started out working for the school in clerical capacities as a volunteer, moved into minimum wage teaching assistant jobs and after a few years went on to be, sans and formal training-full blown teachers).

a VERY high profile and well thought of private school where we used to live touted that their teachers were ALL degreed. what they did'nt share was that the degrees their teachers had might have no relationship to teaching whatsoever or might be far removed from the subject they taught. i was absolutly floored when a parent i knew as a lunch/activities monitor was excitedly announcing she had been hired as the new highschool chemistry teacher-in congratulating her i said i did'nt realize she had a teaching credential. she said she did'nt but it was'nt a 'problem' because she had a college degree, i asked what her degree was in (silly me, i figured education and or one of the sciences at the very least)-my stomach dropped when she said her degree was in COSMETOLOGY i asked how cosmetology related to teaching chemestry and she said 'well we learned all about mixing hair dyes and other chemicals so the school said it's basicly the same thing'

i'm not saying this is how all private schools work-the school ds goes to (and dd went to when she was younger) and all it's affiliated schools requires every teacher to not only meet but exceed whatever the state's public school teacher licensing criteria is for the state in which they teach.

My jaw dropped and my mouth was open for about two minutes, I'm not even exaggerating.

 

[barkley]

My jaw dropped and my mouth was open for about two minutes, I'm not even exaggerating.

it's gotten worse there recently. i spoke with a friend whose still affiliated with the school and she was devastated to learn that at over the summer the place opted out of renewing contracts for several teachers-and the ones they picked were the highschool instructors that had the hard core subjects and were absolutly educated in teaching them, these were the instructors that provided the teaching that got her dd into a top notch pre-med program. the school did'nt come out and say it but internaly it's known that the reason these very long term teachers were let go was because they had been there the longest and were at the top of the pay scale-and even worse, 2 or 3 were within a year of retireing from the place with a pension-a pension they no longer qualify for because the school terminated them right before they met the minimum number of years they had to serve to qualify.

 

[DebbieB]

Most private schools are not adequately equipped to deal with special learning or behavioral situations. I don't believe the teachers even have to be certified in most private schools.

My nephew went to a Catholic school and had learning problems. They recommended he go to the public school that has a program. I don't know if he was told to leave or if it was voluntary. That was 3rd or 4th grade, he's now in 9th (in public school) and doing very well.

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

First grader who brought a pocket knife to school. Rules are set in stone... no flexibility for age.

Yep, at our school it was some kind of kitchen knife that grandma or someone packed into the 1st grader's lunchbox so he could cut his apple or something. The police came and took him away. I don't know how long he was out from school. We have zero tolerance.

 

[3boymthr]

Well, I've heard of younger kids on the internet, TV, etc. But the youngest kid I personally know is my nephew. SIL called a couple of weeks ago to complain that the school had suspended him just because he punched his teacher. He's in 5th grade.

 

[golfgal]

Well, I've heard of younger kids on the internet, TV, etc. But the youngest kid I personally know is my nephew. SIL called a couple of weeks ago to complain that the school had suspended him just because he punched his teacher. He's in 5th grade.

Boy, I wonder why the kid is punching his teacher

 

[luvsJack]

Here the length of the expulsion is determined in the disciplinary hearing. A 6th grader that brought a gun to school and the boy that was holding the gun when caught were expelled through 8th grade (our high school is actually a different school district). Another kid that was expelled for fighting over and over was expelled for the remainder of that school year. So it can be permanent. Some kids that are expelled can be sent to alternative school and some are sent home-dependent on the crime. And some kids that are sent to alternative school are not expelled.

As for the question: I know at least one child that the parents called me after I closed my child care center saying that their child had been thrown out of their new preschool/child care.

 

[debbi801]

Sadly, my 2nd grader was suspended for 2 days when he was in kindergarten. He has anxiety problems and Asperger's and became overwhelmed and crawled under his desk crying. When the teacher ordered him to stop crying, come out from under his desk, and go to the office, he couldn't stop crying so the vice principal came into the class and ordered the same thing. When he still couldn't get control of himself, he was suspended and we had to go get him. He was not violent in any way shape or form. The school just was totally clueless. He's not there anymore. This was a public school.

 

[luvsJack]

Sadly, my 2nd grader was suspended for 2 days when he was in kindergarten. He has anxiety problems and Asperger's and became overwhelmed and crawled under his desk crying. When the teacher ordered him to stop crying, come out from under his desk, and go to the office, he couldn't stop crying so the vice principal came into the class and ordered the same thing. When he still couldn't get control of himself, he was suspended and we had to go get him. He was not violent in any way shape or form. The school just was totally clueless. He's not there anymore. This was a public school.

OMG! How clueless can so many in one school be?? Even without Asperger's or anxiety problems, that is not the way you handle a crying (almost hysterical) child! I would have had several choice words to say to that teacher and principal and would have taken a trip to the school board.

 

[agnes!]

Same here, expulsion is permanent-but there is an appeals process and kids can TRY to get into another district but most won't take them. Just ask the 5 seniors from the hockey team in our old town how fun it is to get expelled from school with 3 months left of your senior year and lose your hockey scholarships .

Wow...what did they do?

agnes!