Scared & need your thoughts -DD is getting notes

Wow. This is scary. I have several thoughts:

1. The wording you used in the original post -- is that EXACTLY what the note said? Exact wording, exact spelling? If so, it's incredibly mature language for an elementary school child. My oldest daughter, at that age, was testing waaaaay above elementary school age, and she still wouldn't have chosen that wording. Certainly it's "borrowed" from some game or book. That makes me suspect an adult's involved. You said that the writing was childish; perhaps it's an adult writing with the left hand to disguise the writing.

2. Or, perhaps the notes are coming from a child who has an older sibling; the sibling could be helping with the note writing at home. The note seems -- to me -- to scream lonely, misfit, intelligent teenaged boy. The type who has read every one of the Lord of the Rings trilogy five times, the type who can quote every line of the Matrix movies, the type who sees himself as really cool but who sits alone in the cafeteria. I can imagine a 4th grader coming home saying, "I don't like this girl in my class", and the older sibling saying, "I know how we'll get her."

3. The last note -- the you will die note -- doesn't fit. The first notes were wordy and poetic in a disturbing, gothic style. The very simple wording in the death note seems very different. That makes me suspect that a copycat wrote the last one. Or, if my sibling theory is correct, it could be that the child wrote the last note without the older sibling's help.

4. Another poster said that the school would downplay this type of thing -- absolutely not. If something really does happen to the child, the school will want to be able to prove that they did everything possible to protect the child. Of course they're not going to go on loudspeaker and announce, "Whoever did this had better quit" -- that would be the same as inviting everyone who owns a pencil and paper to start writing similar notes next week! The school will aim for secrecy AND protection.

I don't know about elementary schools, but our middle and high schools all have a Resource Officer who IS a member of the local police force. He's the person to whom these things should be reported. Through him, the report will go to the city/county police department. When things like this rear their ugly heads, the first thing our principal does is go to the Resource Officer -- these are legal matters, so he's the appropriate person.

5. I think moving the backpack was a dumb choice. Sure, it'll prevent more notes from coming home, and that'll help the child -- and parents -- feel better. But a smarter move would've been to set up a camera (those nanny cams are inexpensive and available at Radio Shack) and try to catch the culprit. Unless it's the classroom teacher (unlikely), they probably would've caught the note-writer sneaking in at lunchtime, recess time, or something like that.

6. I don't think I agree with the "keep her home from school" idea. It'll add fuel to the fire and scare her more. Instead, I think I'd go with her to school. I would see her into the classroom, then go work in the library or the office. Of course, I'd know what time the class was leaving for music, etc. and I'd just happen to be in the hallway at that time.

Plus -- and this is a horrible thing to say -- if someone has specifically targeted her for some reason and is seriously going to do something, they'll do it at home instead of school. At least at school other people will be around, and they will be there to help her.

7. Why her? Do you have any clue? Does she stand out in any way? Is there another child who dislikes her?

8. Does she have grandparents / aunt and uncle locally? If so, I'd consider staying with them for a bit so that this note-writer doesn't know where you are.

This is really a terrifying example of how the world we live in can be so ugly. Please keep us updated. I'll pray for the child (and for justice for the criminal who's doing this).
 
OK, I emailed an administrator (female) of a Guild Wars site and here was her response...

Sorry, I don't recognize any of those phrases... in spite of it's Teen rating (you must be 13 to play), Guild Wars is a pretty light hearted game. I play quite a variety of video games myself and am not familiar with the phrases quoted. It is quite possible they are coming from a television show or movie. Wherever this child is getting his/her ideas from, the content is obviously not meant for his/her age group. And personally, as a mother, I would be much more concerned with finding the child responsible than the source of his/her influences. If they are having issues separating fantasy from reality and in addition are being influenced by age-inappropriate content, they need some professional attention.

So no luck there. we don't play games on consoles so I don't have any knowledge of those games, but I am beginning to think it in not an MMORPG.

Good luck to you and your family.
 
I didn't see this thread until tonight. I printed out the phrases and showed them to my 17 YO DS and he says he has never seen nor heard of them. He plays different Warcraft games and has read the entire LOTR series of books. I told him you guys had Googled them and he said if they are "not in Google, they are pretty much not in print". He thinks someone has made them up. That doesn't help much....sorry. I certainly hope this situation is resolved very, very soon...it is just too unsettling to continue for your family! :guilty:
 
Karen I am so sorry you all are having to deal with this. Here's a big :hug: for you and especially your daughter.

Trust yourself that you are not over reacting. :hug: :hug: :hug:
 

First I want to say I am so sorry you are going through this. I cannot imagine how terrified you must be. I am scared just from reading this.

I don't think I'd let the handwriting fool you. It would be so incredibly easy for an adult to make writing look childish to throw anyone off. The words used are way too mature for an elementary student, much less the average person. The notes are also too thought out. I highly doubt a child or even a teen would be able to come up w/ this.

I don't think you can be too safe in this situation. It sounds just too scary to me. You did say there were 2 notes- what did the other one say? Also, where was everyone when the notes must of been slipped in? I would think that since the school is handling this there's too much redtape to get survelliance and dye packs. I think I'd be leaving the bookbag where it usually is and make sure someone is watching every single second from an unseen location. Also, there's no way my dd would not be w/ me in a safe place.

Good luck and I hope this is just some prank- as sick as it is for someone to do that.
 
kilee said:
The words used are way too mature for an elementary student, much less the average person. The notes are also too thought out. I highly doubt a child or even a teen would be able to come up w/ this.
Oh, no. I teach teens. This writing is well within the ability level of the right high schoolers.
 
I don't have anything to add, but that I am very scared for you. I know that's not comforting :(. I am thinking good thoughts for you and your family to come through this safely. Please, please, please do everything you can to keep your baby safe. I don't think my little girl would be going to school tomorrow.

{{hugs}}

I hope you discover the person who is leaving these notes soon.
 
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Good evening, Well I started reading this thread and thought, OMg how horrible, I am from South Florida, My hubby is a School Resource Police officer and also does online gaming and video games, plays Warcraft and Dungeons and dragons and loves the Lord of the Rings trilogy and everything that goes with it.......Our First thought was get to the police as soon as possible....The school will try to down play the seriousness so not to worry the other parents. He has dealt with this first hand. were we live last year we had one middle school boy stab his best friend to death in the bathroom.......It was an absolute horrible thing to have our community and his parents to go through so I dont think that the school is doing enough to ensure your daughters safety, PLEASE GO TO THE POLICE!!!!!! Dont let your daughter go to class until this is resloved...........The police need to be informed, My hubby has dealt with the Administration trying to deal with something that should have been taken care of right away by the police. they have investigators,detectives that specialize in this not the school...... I hope your family is safe and you are able to resolve this quickly!!!! Stay Safe!!!
 
MrsPete--- don't you think though for it to be a teen- it would be the type of teen that would already stand out somewhat. I just can't see that being the way an average everyday teen writes. I would assume it would be someone teachers would know as being maybe dark, or a creative writer, or something.
 
MrsPete said:
Oh, no. I teach teens. This writing is well within the ability level of the right high schoolers.

But there aren't any high schoolers at this school.
 
kilee said:
MrsPete--- don't you think though for it to be a teen- it would be the type of teen that would already stand out somewhat. I just can't see that being the way an average everyday teen writes. I would assume it would be someone teachers would know as being maybe dark, or a creative writer, or something.


I would think that while they may not stand out to their students (we had a girl when I was student teaching who was average in every subject but her ability to WRITE was off the charts, her verbal communication skills were average), They would definitely stand out to a teacher. BUT if the person helping write this is a 7th/8th/9th grade older sibling, there is a good chance the teachers in this school have not thought of them, as they either didnt teach the student or if they did, it was many years ago and their abilities and personalities may have changed.

OP I hope you get some resolution to this very quickly. :grouphug:
 
summerrluvv said:
Something just isn't adding up with this whole thing.

Yes. Something's very strange. It seems like adult quotes, but why would someone choose your daughter? Maybe your husband should stay in town until this is all worked out.
 
Maybe this has been posted before, I haven't read the entire thread, but are they going to check the notes for fingerprints? If they could keep the latest notes from being touched by anyone, that would go a long way in helping determine if it is a child or adult by finger size initially, then move on to fingerprinting the people at the school.
 
Hmmmm....aren't all school personnel fingerprinted anymore anyway? I know I had to have a background check and fingerprints taken last year when I worked at the nearby school. What a dilemma if the notes stop and all of the other notes have been handled too much! :guilty:
 
staci said:
I would think that while they may not stand out to their students (we had a girl when I was student teaching who was average in every subject but her ability to WRITE was off the charts, her verbal communication skills were average), They would definitely stand out to a teacher. BUT if the person helping write this is a 7th/8th/9th grade older sibling, there is a good chance the teachers in this school have not thought of them, as they either didnt teach the student or if they did, it was many years ago and their abilities and personalities may have changed.

OP I hope you get some resolution to this very quickly. :grouphug:
Exactly what I would've said. I -- the high school teacher -- might have a certain student "on my radar" as being a bit different and odd, and I might be aware at the same time that he is a good writer, a reader of sci-fi or a gamer . . . but I probably wouldn't know whether he has a younger sibling. And I certainly wouldn't know that the younger sibling had a problem with a student in his class. And the chance of me talking to the right elementary teacher about all this by accident . . . well, it just wouldn't happen.

I think the sibling possibility is worth mentioning to the police though. If they were to investigate which kids in her class have teen siblings, then they could approach the right high school teachers . . . it might give them someone to question.
 
mtblujeans said:
Hmmmm....aren't all school personnel fingerprinted anymore anyway? I know I had to have a background check and fingerprints taken last year when I worked at the nearby school. What a dilemma if the notes stop and all of the other notes have been handled too much! :guilty:
I'm a teacher, and I've never been fingerprinted.
 
I'm sorry, but I have something to add.

For those who know me on these boards an IRL, I am the just about the most non-paranoid person there is. Show my DD's picture in my sig? Sure! Her name is Celia, BTW. We live in Madison, Wisconsin. 7 year old boys by themselves in WDW bathrooms? They need to start peeing alone sometime. Terrified about "stranger danger" and random abductions? The vast majority are done by people the children know.

I am not spooked by "what ifs" and things that are beyond my control.

Your. Situation. Scares. The. Hell. Out. Of. Me.

Please keep your DD home from school tomorrow and see the police. I fear for your family.
 
LisaR said:
But there aren't any high schoolers at this school.
My theory is that an older sibling helped write the notes at home, and a classmate put them in the bookbag.
 
MrsPete said:
I'm a teacher, and I've never been fingerprinted.
Maybe it depends upon the school district? Or, if you are a new hire? :confused3 OR, it could be that you are a professional and I am not....just an on-call aide or lunchroom help.
 
mtblujeans said:
Hmmmm....aren't all school personnel fingerprinted anymore anyway? I know I had to have a background check and fingerprints taken last year when I worked at the nearby school. What a dilemma if the notes stop and all of the other notes have been handled too much! :guilty:
To get my teaching license I had to have my fingerprints taken. They were to be sent to the state, not the local district.

I have yet to apply for a job so idk if I will be required to retake the fingerprints.
 












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