Say what you really want to say! NO FLAMES ALLOWED

[Tasha+Scott]

Actually, let me address that. I think this thread is absolutely repulsive because it allows individuals to post their thoughts on racism, homophobia, and just about every "hate" one can think of, and to do so without reprisal. So if you don't want to debate, or put something up for discussion, then don't post it at all.

Flame if you want.

I completely agree with you! I didn't realize just how hateful some of the posters on here actually are until this thread. I don't feel they are even worthy of a response. You can't make a hateful person change their views anyway!

But I do think that there was a fairly innocent post attacked several pages back (not by you, Rick!) and that was uncalled for.

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[4cruisin]

Ummm, no. Changing it to allow gay couples to marry would in no way impact your life whatsoever, nor would it be forcing a lifestyle choice onto you. That is, unless I chose to invite you to my wedding.

Rick, please put me on the guest list....I bet your wedding will be a blast.
Come to Massachusetts and I will help you plan it...I love to plan events.

 

[cardaway]

Actually, let me address that. I think this thread is absolutely repulsive because it allows individuals to post their thoughts on racism, homophobia, and just about every "hate" one can think of, and to do so without reprisal. So if you don't want to debate, or put something up for discussion, then don't post it at all.

Flame if you want.

I'm with Rick, the "no debate" threads are getting out of hand. There are other places to post if you don't want this community to react to your post. IMO this isn't the first thread to basically take advantage of the "no flames or deabte" clause to say some pretty offensive things.

 

[Aristocath]

To answer the question, I did not say having an education and job is a bad thing. I am saying that I am EXPECTED to have it because of the women's libbers. Homemakers and stay-at-home moms seemed to be looked down upon now that "woman have the opportunity" to go to school. It was expected of me to go to school and get a job. It is no longer "acceptable" to stay home and raise kids. I think that is a HUGE job and I admire those women.

I am several pages behind on this thread, so excuse me if this has been addressed. I have a college degree and worked for 7 years teaching history in an inner city school. I quit only to stay home and raise my own three children. I fully expect to go back to school at some point and get my masters degree and continue teaching. It is very "acceptable" to stay home and raise kids and no one has ever said otherwise to me. If one of your "Christian" friends has told you so, I would reevaluate that relationship. Comments like that are friendly to neither a stay at home mom nor employed outside the home mom.

 

[snoopy]

I suppose I do believe our preferences are forced upon others when there are innocent babies involved. Saying that since I believe abortion is wrong, then "I am free to not have one" does not obsolve the issue of life being ended. This debate always comes to a dead end when the pro-choicer does not believe that the mother is carrying a baby but rather a fetus. I believe that when there is a heart beating inside of a tiny human with fingernails and toenails and hair on their head that "fetus" is a baby and when you make a "choice" to abort you are choosing death for something that was alive. Don't we force our preferences when babies are born and then put into trash cans or do we say, "I think that is wrong but still-none of my business?" I challenge Pro-choicers to research what they support. Know what is involved. Understand what a developing baby is capable of-including pain sensation. Forcing preference would be saying, hey you can't have sex with that guy or hey you can't use that form of birth control. I am pro-life because I believe that it is life at stake. I am not ignorant of the mother or her situation-it is beside the point. The answer to her "problem" or pregnancy should not be murder. My mother was 17 years old when she had me over 33 years ago and Roe vs Wade had not yet happened. There is no doubt my mother would have aborted because of the family situation and her age. She has told me so. She has told me that she was grateful that it was not a choice. If people really understood the process in which a "choice" takes place they would most likely be horrified and disturbed. We sweep this topic under the rug.

I love your last sentence because it totally supports my stance. You shouldn't be able to "force" your preferences on someone else. Marriage is (as of today, August 8 2005) between man and woman. Changing that would be forcing a lifestyle preference onto someone else, right?

How would two gay people getting married force a "lifestyle preference" on you? What are you even talking about? How does another couple's marriage have anything at all to do with you?

As far as the process in which a "choice" takes place, I'm quite familiar, having counseled many young women over the course of 5 years in my volunteer work at Planned Parenthood.

And all the talk about the "unborn" and the "beating heart" is just propoganda, imo. The bottom line, unless you are going to step in and raise the children you champion, you have no say. Or until such a time where medical science develops a way for me or any pregnant woman to go to the doc's office, undergo a quick, painless and non-risky procedure to have a fetus removed and implanted somewhere else where it can grow to term with no further connection with its former host womb, then we can talk about getting rid of abortion. Until then, my body, my decision whether or not to reproduce. What you are basically saying is the unborn trumps the life of the mother, and that YOU are more qualified to make a very personal decision for the person who is the actual stakeholder. Making decisions for individual women.....who aren't...uh....you....doesn't make you "pro-life". You are "pro-you", playing God with the lives of total strangers. If God forbid the government ever agrees with you, it won't stop abortion. Abortion has been going on long before Roe vs Wade, women will always find a way to abort their child if they feel its not in their best interest to give birth, whether you like it or not.

 

[jellymanoffspring]

Actually, let me address that. I think this thread is absolutely repulsive because it allows individuals to post their thoughts on racism, homophobia, and just about every "hate" one can think of, and to do so without reprisal. So if you don't want to debate, or put something up for discussion, then don't post it at all.

Flame if you want.

This thread has always bothered me also.......

 

[RickinNYC]

Some of this thread has also been just plain old venting... and some has been what people are thankful for. If you want to debate, this isn't the place.

I completely disagree. "Plain old venting..." doesn't insult women, immigrants, gays, southerners, etc... This whole thread is simply an excuse to post some pretty nasty comments and just because the OP states, "NO FLAMES" we're not supposed to get offended. Or if we get offended, we're supposed to keep our mouths shut?

You (in general, no one specific) don't want to start a potential debate, then don't don't post on a public bulletin board. I think, for the most part, that people have been pretty good with not debating or flaming some comments made. But I know there are a TON of people out there that are now just friggin' sick to death of the nastiness on this thread.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I don't like fake words, like "homophobia" or "homophobic."

Moral objections are not irrational or based on fear.

 

[dadtoagirl]

If you don't like whats being posted don't read it anymore! Pretty easy solution.

 

[Maleficent13]

id without superego

Good analogy.

What amazes me is that people are posting these horrible things thinking it's okay because no one can talk back to them. Do they not realize people are reading this, and that some things will always be remembered, even later on an innocous "my pet did something funny today" thread? So, let me get this straight:

You (universal) don't care what people think of you, you just don't want them to tell you what they think of you? Ignorance is bliss?

 

[Lambchop452]

Okay
I hate....

GWB he makes me sick
That on cereal commercials they only put like a teaspoon of milk in the bowl
People who are racist
People who hate fat people
People who thinks it is ok to try and ban smoking around public places, just because they smoke doesn't mean they can't interact with people, If you don't like it go somewhere else
People who expect me to be perfect, I am not and nobody is
I hate my 2 nd grade teacher
And I dislike the things people are saying on here about welfare people not being able to have more babies! Some people are just in a slump and they deserve to have as big as a family as they want! Even though some people to take advantage of the state
I am only saying this because I work for the state and see some of the things that go on....

BYE i HAVE TO GO REST FOR NOW

 

[RickinNYC]

I'll continue to read because it's a little window into the minds of fellow DIS'ers. And I'll continue to be disgusted and post responses as I find necessary. Flames or not.

This thread is proof that some folks do indeed need a world filter that the DIS usually provides.

 

[jellymanoffspring]

I completely disagree. "Plain old venting..." doesn't insult women, immigrants, gays, southerners, etc... This whole thread is simply an excuse to post some pretty nasty comments and just because the OP states, "NO FLAMES" we're not supposed to get offended. Or if we get offended, we're supposed to keep our mouths shut?

You (in general, no one specific) don't want to start a potential debate, then don't don't post on a public bulletin board. I think, for the most part, that people have been pretty good with not debating or flaming some comments made. But I know there are a TON of people out there that are now just friggin' sick to death of the nastiness on this thread.

and it makes me sick to see it has over 800 posts and keeps popping up to page one....
there was a thread started after this one for folks to post what they were happy about..it died after about 20-30 posts...sad.......

 

[txgirl]

And all the talk about the "unborn" and the "beating heart" is just propoganda, imo.

Abortion has been going on long before Roe vs Wade, women will always find a way to abort their child if they feel its not in their best interest to give birth, whether you like it or not.

Well your point is clear and I understand you to say that a baby at anypoint during pregnancy is always just a fetus. My defense for pro life can't stand against an argument that there is no life at stake. We totally disagree with what "life" is.

Whether or not a woman will "find a way" to abort her baby should not be the deciding factor for whether it is legal or not. People find a way do all sorts of things that we as a society have deemed wrong and therefore made illegal. Poor arguments for a really sad situation. While you may be one person who is educated about the process I feel you are in the minority of pro-choice advocates.

I think ending life takes the "playing God" position far more than allowing it to continue.

 

[hokiefan33]

If racism and homophobia are your opinions, then yes, they are trash.

I prefer to look at a person in the way they are kind to others, or make me laugh, etc.

How can my opinions be trash? B/c you (and probably others) don't believe them? What are you evaluating them against? Your opinions? The opinions of others? To say my opinions are invalid, you have to have a basis other than different opinions to make that statement, otherwise all you're doing is comparing your opinion to mine, and saying you believe yours is OK and mine isn't. But I think the same way. So how can you say you're right, and I'm wrong, when we're dealing with personal opinions? Not sure on that one...

Just like you "prefer" to look at a person based on their kindness to others or their ability to make you laugh, I look at people differently, based on other things. That's my "preference". Neither is fact, but opinion.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

this thread was sup tp be NO FLAMES
if people are gonnna attack each other it should be CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RickinNYC]

this thread was sup tp be NO FLAMES
if people are gonnna attack each other it should be CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!

There are attacks against groups or types of people on just about every page of this entire thread. So yes, it should be closed.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

How can my opinions be trash? B/c you (and probably others) don't believe them? What are you evaluating them against? Your opinions? The opinions of others? To say my opinions are invalid, you have to have a basis other than different opinions to make that statement, otherwise all you're doing is comparing your opinion to mine, and saying you believe yours is OK and mine isn't. But I think the same way. So how can you say you're right, and I'm wrong, when we're dealing with personal opinions? Not sure on that one...

Just like you "prefer" to look at a person based on their kindness to others or their ability to make you laugh, I look at people differently, based on other things. That's my "preference". Neither is fact, but opinion.

But if you post your opinions and I feel they're racist or homophobic I'm also free to express MY opinion. If you "look at people" and decide they deserve fewer rights and privileges than you do because of their race, creed, sexual orientation or country of origin I won't hate you, I will think you deserve a dope slap however.

 

[hokiefan33]

1. Not sure why you would hate me personally, but if you do, no big to me. I suspect you do but again, don't care one bit at all.
2. If you hate my lifestyle, see point #1.
3. Interesting you should choose to use the word "despise" in your post.
4. Why are you ignoring the other half of my post re: racism and only fixating once again on homophobia. I think you need to rediscover what it is you're really and truly saying behind your words.

1. I wouldn't (and don't, incidentally) hate you personally. My question was a hypothetical

2. I do not agree with (I only hate it b/c I think it's wrong according to my beliefs) your lifestyle, but again, doesn't have anything to do with you personally. You are also free to disagree with my opinion about your lifestyle, as I know you do. God loves everyone, but doesn't love every action (another personal belief).

3. I could have used many words other than despise - hate, dislike, disagree, don't believe. With whatever word, to me it still has the same meaning.

4. Not sure what you mean on this one (again, I thought this was supposed to be a flame-free thread, but evidently not). Racism can evidence itself in many ways. I think it's racist to have Black History month when we don't have White History month. Would Jesse Jackson or Sharpton be up in arms if we had a White History month? You bet they would. To me that is a racist attitude, but most people associate a racist attitude with a white person hating a black person. I know what I say, and I say what I mean, there's no hidden agenda with my words.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

There are attacks against groups or types of people on just about every page of this entire thread. So yes, it should be closed.

yes i agree that people were expressing opinions but there was no quoting and fighting it seems to now have gotten out of hand