Save Darfur!!

[Oreo Cookie]

Curious how many here care about "saving Iraq". Or is Darfur just PC because the celebs dujour say it's important?

BTW - I'm all for sending troops into Darfur, but I was (and still am) for freeing the people of Iraq from their former brutal dictatorship... because it's the right thing to do, not because George Clooney, Oprah Winfrey and Susan Sarandon get all teary eyed about it.

Do you not think that Darfur is under a brutal dictatorship? Google the name Omar Al-Bashir. He is considered one of the worst dictators because of his ongoing deadley human rights violations in the Darfur region of the Sudan. More than 200,000 people have been killed in the last four years, and over 5 million driven from the homes by the pro-bashir forces.

I got to say, that the right thing to do is to stop the killing in Darfur, and it has nothing to do with celebs, but Clooney, and Oprah and Susan have helped people be aware of the autrocities occuring in Darfur on a daily basis.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

I work for a nonprofit that provides direct service to the homeless men and women of New York City and I would still never in a million years compare what I see every day to that of Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur is not dissimilar to what happened during the Holocaust. Those people are being tortured and murdered daily. 35,000 in a month? I don't see any comparison to any situation in our own country.

Not to sound like a total we-are-the-world guy, but just because it's not happening in my back yard doesn't mean we shouldn't help others. To limit assistance to US citizens is disgusting. We should do what we can because we are indeed more fortunate than so many others in the world. I may not share the same soil as others, but it doesn't mean we aren't still the same citizens of the same planet.

Besides, I also consider the fact that if we are to act as the world's police, we can also act as the world's care givers as much as we are able.

Excellent post, and I agree 100 %. Darfur is a holocaust and it is happening right now, and we have a duty to stop it.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

How about Save New Orleans? Or Save the Gulf Coast Region?

How can you even compare the two? I ddin't realize there were masses of people being wiped out in your region just because of their genetic make-up.

I work for a nonprofit that provides direct service to the homeless men and women of New York City and I would still never in a million years compare what I see every day to that of Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur is not dissimilar to what happened during the Holocaust. Those people are being tortured and murdered daily. 35,000 in a month? I don't see any comparison to any situation in our own country.

Not to sound like a total we-are-the-world guy, but just because it's not happening in my back yard doesn't mean we shouldn't help others. To limit assistance to US citizens is disgusting. We should do what we can because we are indeed more fortunate than so many others in the world. I may not share the same soil as others, but it doesn't mean we aren't still the same citizens of the same planet.

Besides, I also consider the fact that if we are to act as the world's police, we can also act as the world's care givers as much as we are able.

Great post, my friend.

 

[Tiggeroo]

I work for a nonprofit that provides direct service to the homeless men and women of New York City and I would still never in a million years compare what I see every day to that of Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur is not dissimilar to what happened during the Holocaust. Those people are being tortured and murdered daily. 35,000 in a month? I don't see any comparison to any situation in our own country.

Not to sound like a total we-are-the-world guy, but just because it's not happening in my back yard doesn't mean we shouldn't help others. To limit assistance to US citizens is disgusting. We should do what we can because we are indeed more fortunate than so many others in the world. I may not share the same soil as others, but it doesn't mean we aren't still the same citizens of the same planet.

Besides, I also consider the fact that if we are to act as the world's police, we can also act as the world's care givers as much as we are able.

Great post. We can't tolerate genocide. I understand fully helping here in the US. But i've been poor and i've been very comfortable. I can tell you that there is help available here in the US. It's just a matter of channeling people toward it. I also truly believe that here in our country if you want to fix your situation you can. There are programs for everybody. Anybody with the mental capacity can get through community college, even though it's tough. So here I tend to reserve my compassion for those mentally unable and children.
In other countries such as Darfur, there is nothing a person can possibly do to save themselves. The only way they can be helped is by countries such as the US exerting compassion.
Again, what is wrong with us all having different causes. Group over here is helping homeless in US, wonderful, group over here helping Darfur, fantastic, group over here dealing with aids orphans.....God places on our heart to help people, he has enough caring people that we can all be helping somebody.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

I work for a nonprofit that provides direct service to the homeless men and women of New York City and I would still never in a million years compare what I see every day to that of Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur is not dissimilar to what happened during the Holocaust. Those people are being tortured and murdered daily. 35,000 in a month? I don't see any comparison to any situation in our own country.

Not to sound like a total we-are-the-world guy, but just because it's not happening in my back yard doesn't mean we shouldn't help others. To limit assistance to US citizens is disgusting. We should do what we can because we are indeed more fortunate than so many others in the world. I may not share the same soil as others, but it doesn't mean we aren't still the same citizens of the same planet.

Besides, I also consider the fact that if we are to act as the world's police, we can also act as the world's care givers as much as we are able.

Great post! I completely agree. I've done as much as I can to get people in my area aware of the situation in Darfur. One of the colleges here has a Save Darfur group and I'm working on putting one together at my school. But we can only do so much when there are so many who are willing to ignore this atrocity taking place and don't think it matters much

 

[beachblanket]

Excellent post, and I agree 100 %. Darfur is a holocaust and it is happening right now, and we have a duty to stop it.

Then why aren't Hillary and Obama proposing we immediately send troops there?

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Then why aren't Hillary and Obama proposing we immediately send troops there?

Good question, and I would support them if they decided to send troops to Darfur. I think we have a moral obligation to stop these autrocities, and I have donated to the save darfur fund.

However, I don't believe the OP's intent was to make this a political debate on dems versus repubs. That could be started in another thread.

 

[autumnbaby9]

Then why aren't Hillary and Obama proposing we immediately send troops there?

Because Bush has already over extended our troops by sending them to Iraq. What troops should we send to Darfur? The ones that have just got back for the 3rd or 4th time?

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Because Bush has already over extended our troops by sending them to Iraq. What troops should we send to Darfur? The ones that have just got back for the 3rd or 4th time?

Excellent post, why didn't I think of that?

It's hard to believe that in the 21 century that a holocaust is happening and the world doesn't seem concerned. We need to be concerned for all humanity, if we are to survive.

 

[RickinNYC]

Good question, and I would support them if they decided to send troops to Darfur. I think we have a moral obligation to stop these autrocities, and I have donated to the save darfur fund.

However, I don't believe the OP's intent was to make this a political debate on dems versus repubs. That could be started in another thread.

Great response. And I agree that the OP was likely not looking to make this a dem/rep debate at all. Nevertheless, the poster that posited that particular question has tried to do so before on other threads.

This isn't an issue of liberal vs. conservative, right vs. left. It's an issue of genocide and to embroil it in a political discussion is an attempt to lay the finger of blame on our own government when we are not the cause of what is happening in Darfur. To attempt to do so is an attempt at minimizing the issue at hand.

 

[Crankyshank]

So we can't want to stop the horrific genocide in Darfur and ALSO want and donate money to organizations to fight poverty here in the US, or even in Iraq?

I didn't realize Darfur support was mutually exclusive

 

[RickinNYC]

So we can't want to stop the horrific genocide in Darfur and ALSO want and donate money to organizations to fight poverty here in the US, or even in Iraq?

I didn't realize Darfur support was mutually exclusive

Ding! Ding! Ding! We gotta a winna!

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

So we can't want to stop the horrific genocide in Darfur and ALSO want and donate money to organizations to fight poverty here in the US, or even in Iraq?

I didn't realize Darfur support was mutually exclusive

You are right. We have the ability and the finances to do both, and we should do both.

We are the leaders of the free world and the richest nation in the world, we have a duty and an obligation to stop the genocide.

 

[MrsKreamer]

I am not comparing the two. My point, which I did not express very well, is that it seems everyone is more concerned at what is going on overseas, when we have plenty of people still homeless(2 FREAKING YEARS LATER) right here. People should give to both, but they aren't...

 

[beachblanket]

the poster that posited that particular question has tried to do so before on other threads.

Oh, no, the stalkers are out again.

This isn't an issue of liberal vs. conservative, right vs. left.

I agree- but notably, no one here is wagging their finger at the posters who have used this thread to indict our Iraq policy. Or put another way, it's appears to be O.K. to bash Bush here are long as ones also simultaneously waves the "we need to stop the horror" flag.

Which leads me back to my orginal question: if the Iraq war is so un-PC and Dafur is so PC, why aren't the political leaders of the left leading the charge here? Doesn't Hollywood direct them? Unfortunately, people just pompously pounding their chests with "we have an obligation" statements on a Disney-related board isn't going to change anything (Dafur continues to be a non-event in the major media - they're more interested in dead bimbos and crazy astronauts).

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Oh, no, the stalkers are out again.



I agree- but notably, no one here is wagging their finger at the posters who have used this thread to indict our Iraq policy. Or put another way, it's appears to be O.K. to bash Bush here are long as ones also simultaneously waves the "we need to stop the horror" flag.

Which leads me back to my orginal question: if the Iraq war is so un-PC and Dafur is so PC, why aren't the political leaders of the left leading the charge here? Doesn't Hollywood direct them? Unfortunately, people just pompously pounding their chests with "we have an obligation" statements on a Disney-related board isn't going to change anything (Dafur continues to be a non-event in the major media - they're more interested in dead bimbos and crazy astronauts).

The situation in Darfur has nothing to do with being PC or not PC, it has to do with stopping the genocide. I am writing letter to my congressional and house representatives to voice my concern on Darfur and how we need to act now and stop the atrocities.

 

[User Name]

So, if/when we send troops to Darfur, are you all going to be OK with the daily death count of innocent women and children and the daily death count of our soldiers? Are you going to support the administration, or are you going to use it for political purposes when things don't go according to plan?

 

[Fitswimmer]

We should absolutely be doing more in Darfur. So should England, Germany, France and any number of other nations with the ability to do so. The US is not the only nation out there with the ability to help these people and it could be argued that those nations who have chosen to stay out of Iraq have more ability because their armies are not being stretched in two wars.

 

[JennyMominRI]

So, if/when we send troops to Darfur, are you all going to be OK with the daily death count of innocent women and children and the daily death count of our soldiers? Are you going to support the administration, or are you going to use it for political purposes when things don't go according to plan?

I have no qualms at all about sending troops into a country in order to stop genocide

 

[pooterz]

I am doing all in my power to help stop Darfur, I am organizing my school against the genocide. We will do as much as we can for Darfur - like fund refugee camps, protesting, donate supplies and sponsoring Sudanese children.