Savannah Guthrie’s mother missing

[Imzadi]

I still say ripping down the Nest camera doesn't sound random to me. He rolls up to a house, doesn't know if there is anything of value inside. When you look at the video and not just the photos, he raises his hand to knock on the door. That's when he happens to see the Nest camera. Why not just back away & try elsewhere?

He doesn't seem to know how the camera works. He covers it with his hand at first. Yet, it already started filming him as he walked up AND as he turned around and walked to get the weeds or shrubbery, AND walked up a second time. He also doesn't know to step to the side, at a 90 degree angle of the camera to get out of the view of the lens as he's covering it. That's how there is such great footage of him and what may be under his mask.

Yet, when he takes Nancy, he knows enough to take her Apple watch off so it's not GPSing her location.

To me, this sounds like an Of Mice and Men scenario with two men, one smart and one a lumbering oaf.

Maybe the perp heard about Savannah's mother. He thought, just like in cop shows and movies, that rich people always have a stack of bills in their safe. The robber just points a gun, the safe gets opened and they get away with a wad of cash. So, he rolls up with a way too obvious gun in a holster.

Only the robbery goes horribly wrong. Nancy doesn't have a safe, especially one filled with money. She can't even get out of bed very well, especially with a terrifying man waving a semi-automatic at her. Nancy either accidentally gets killed or she has a heart attack.

Did he call the smart guy who told him to take the body so their would be no evidence? Yet leave the Apple watch and take nothing else?

Yet, the news now says the FBI found a pair of black gloves on the side of the road near Nancy's property. So, he's smart enough to take the body, yet stupid enough to throw away gloves near the scene?

And 3 days after the abduction, as a PP mentioned, someone was smart enough to mask his IP address when sending a note, asking for ransom and mentioning that Nancy's Apple watch was taken off and left at the scene and the floodlights were broken, so the family would know that note was possibly legit. Yet, he isn't smart enough to know he'd have to provide proof of life.

 

[brockash]

The whole thing is so bizarre, but my thing with the watch...I don't know that the person took it off of her. Thinking there's a good chance she takes it off herself when she goes to bed. No way would I want to wear mine at night and I'm half her age, so I don't know that this person took it off.

Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if this whole thing was some kind of scam/set up (the video and evidence that's there.) It just doesn't make any sense. Certainly not saying her being taken is a scam, but the ransom notes, video, evidence...I mean it Certainly seems far fetched and no idea who or why, but the whole thing just seems so pointless and to me no pattern. If this person is so good at hiding her or disposing of a body of someone who is getting nonstop national attention but stupid enough with what we saw in the video and possible gloves etc...it just doesn't add up.

 

[lanejudy]

Yet, when he takes Nancy, he knows enough to take her Apple watch off so it's not GPSing her location.

I agree with PP that it’s more likely she simply wasn’t wearing the watch. It stopped syncing with her pace maker because she was out of range. I’m not buying that the perpetrator was smart enough to intentionally leave it behind.

he raises his hand to knock on the door.

Why would he knock? It was ~1:45am. More likely he was looking for a camera — a light or reflection or something indicating it was there.

And 3 days after the abduction, as a PP mentioned, someone was smart enough to mask his IP address when sending a note, asking for ransom and mentioning that Nancy's Apple watch was taken off and left at the scene and the floodlights were broken

Wasn’t at least 1 random note determined to be fake? The watch and lights were already public knowledge by the time the notes started. Someone trying to take advantage of the situation. I don’t think kidnapping for ransom was ever part of the perp’s plan. My money is on robbery gone wrong.

 

[Genie+]

From the BBC

“North America correspondent David Willis is in Guthrie's home town of Tuscon, Arizona, as police go door to door with sniffer dogs looking for clues on her disappearance.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c77e4n7p353o

 

[Imzadi]

Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if this whole thing was some kind of scam/set up (the video and evidence that's there.) It just doesn't make any sense.

I hope this case isn't bungled like Jon Benet Ramsey's case. Why did it take 12 DAYS for police/FBI to scour the grounds & area around Nancy's house? I would have thought that would have been done on Day 2. And they collect everything, even a discarded gum wrapper or cigarette butt, in case the kidnapper's DNA is on it. Those gloves should have been picked up earlier and placed in an evidence bag, just in case.

They went over the sister's house TWICE, but not the grounds or area around Nancy's house?

Also, why did it take 12 days to ask all the neighbors in the area for their security footage? What if someone's system overwrites the tapes every 7 days? The footage may already be lost.

 

[Imzadi]

The watch and lights were already public knowledge by the time the notes started.

I don't think it was. I was watching TMZ when they mentioned they received a note that said the Apple watch was left at the house and the floodlights had been broken. They said they were NOT going to say what that part of the note contained as it was still unknown stuff. If it had already been mentioned in the news, they would have blabbed about it.

 

[Imzadi]

Wasn’t at least 1 random note determined to be fake?

Yes, at least one was. But, some news said Nancy appeared to be going on the assumption that the note TMZ and 2 Tucson news stations received, mentioning the Apple watch was (possibly) real. She said in one of her public pleas, that she'd be willing to pay, (in her cryptic wording.) But she needed proof of life. And as 2 deadlines went past with no proof of life, that's when they realized it wouldn't be coming.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I don’t remember reading anything except the nest camera outside.

There was also a rooftop camera found several days into this. I’ve read they are still working on getting data from it.

 

[brockash]

I hope this case isn't bungled like Jon Benet Ramsey's case. Why did it take 12 DAYS for police/FBI to scour the grounds & area around Nancy's house? I would have thought that would have been done on Day 2. And they collect everything, even a discarded gum wrapper or cigarette butt, in case the kidnapper's DNA is on it. Those gloves should have been picked up earlier and placed in an evidence bag, just in case.

They went over the sister's house TWICE, but not the grounds or area around Nancy's house?

Also, why did it take 12 days to ask all the neighbors in the area for their security footage? What if someone's system overwrites the tapes every 7 days? The footage may already be lost.

I agree, however they had the FBI involved pretty much immediately ..like I said it just doesn't make any sense