Same day rider switch?!

[randumb0]

Add BTMRR to the list of same day ride swap

 

[tjmw2727]

I think its just a matter of time before they start re-printing them all. Years ago when my kids were young and first got the paper RS Pass they were all same day, then at some point they switched to a week and then a month. IMHO this was to save on printing costs and waste and not for guest convenience. Now that some guests have decided to take advantage of this - mostly by reselling; Disney is probably going to go back to absorbing the costs of wasted paper if they print more than they need.

 

[DisneyOma]

Too bad they can't just add it onto the magic band or ticket.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

Yes. This would solve a few of the problems. When DAS was on a card, you could save your times for the next day. Once they moved it to the MDE/MB system ... they expire at midnight. So moving this to the system would not only keep a control of it, would enforce the expiration so front line CMs don't have to deal with it ... you would also be able to see it on your MDE and not having to keep up with the paper or worrying about passing it off. And no sharing/selling outside your MDE group.



Absolutely would not surprise me based on conversations the last year or so.



And you will have to take this into consideration when asking for one, just look at it as booking another FP+ except instead of a window of one hour you have the rest of the day. Everyone knows which rides they are going to request this on, so build in the extra time.



Think about how many they print out for the month for these. Then they have to compute these into the system without really knowing when they will be used. Those computations impact the number of FP+ offered to others via the system. Then the actual usage will impact the SB line. At this point with crowds I am okay with Disney getting control of some of their loose strings.



Us too. And that was the original point when they removed the ability at some rides to swap at the entrance/exit.

We all have to remember that when RS/CS was implemented by Disney there was no such thing as FP. EVERYONE waited in the STANDBY lines. This was implemented so a group didn't have to split up and then wait in STANDBY TWICE. That was a very fair offer to keep the "too short" ones out of the line, and not have to offer a swap location or wait room (Universal style).

Once FP started, Disney should have changed the entire program's implementation to keep it in check. They didn't. It has now likely gotten out of control, as we can read here and other places. 7DMT, Pandora ... soon enough TSL and SWL, then Tron and who knows what else.

I would not be surprised if they are now going to slowly change the program to be more in line what it originally was in anticipation of the huge use of it the next few years.

Well said. The fact that RS and FP were not designed to work together has absolutely led to the loopholes that are being taken advantage of. I believe these loopholes will be closed in the very near future as it seems they are already taking steps in that direction .

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

People were selling them on eBay? Oy. No wonder Disney is putting a stop to it. I agree with pps who said they need to tighten things up before SWL. It’s too bad because I can see the benefit and usefulness to families to have more than day-of ability to use them (especially if they go through a line late in the day) but selling them online is ... egregious.

 

[KrazeeK120]

Well said. The fact that RS and FP were not designed to work together has absolutely led to the loopholes that are being taken advantage of. I believe these loopholes will be closed in the very near future as it seems they are already taking steps in that direction .

I disagree. Say a family has 2 parents and 2 kids, one of whom is too short. I don’t see a problem with getting a RS pass, even if everyone has a fastpass. I don’t think it’s criminal to allow the taller child 2 rides so that both parents can experience the ride with a member of the family.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

I disagree. Say a family has 2 parents and 2 kids, one of whom is too short. I don’t see a problem with getting a RS pass, even if everyone has a fastpass. I don’t think it’s criminal to allow the taller child 2 rides so that both parents can experience the ride with a member of the family.

Oh I agree with you. If everyone has a FP then yes they should allow the RS. My issue, which many others share, is when not everyone has a FP. That's where the loophole comes in.

 

[10CJ]

Add BTMRR to the list of same day ride swap

Good to know, thanks.

 

[zillayen]

I actually like the change to making it a same-day pass. It seems more in the "spirit" of the policy, which is to allow a party/family to experience the ride even if they have children who are too short. I've always thought it was weird that the RS pass allows for >1 person to ride -- to me it seems like it should only allow the parent who sat out the ride with the smaller children to come back and experience it. Don't get me wrong - we were very lucky to have someone hand us one when we were standing outside FoP, but in terms of the policy itself I've always found it extremely generous and open to exploitation.

 

[KrazeeK120]

I actually like the change to making it a same-day pass. It seems more in the "spirit" of the policy, which is to allow a party/family to experience the ride even if they have children who are too short. I've always thought it was weird that the RS pass allows for >1 person to ride -- to me it seems like it should only allow the parent who sat out the ride with the smaller children to come back and experience it. Don't get me wrong - we were very lucky to have someone hand us one when we were standing outside FoP, but in terms of the policy itself I've always found it extremely generous and open to exploitation.

They allow more than one person to ride so that there isn’t a parent stuck riding alone if there is a tall enough child in the party that could ride with them.

 

[TheRealTeal]

I never knew they *weren't* for just that day. I thought that was the whole point of it. Parent A goes on with kid A, gets off, gives pass to parent B, then parent B rides with kid A.

 

[zillayen]

They allow more than one person to ride so that there isn’t a parent stuck riding alone if there is a tall enough child in the party that could ride with them.

That makes sense, but then why make it for 3 people? Isn't one person still sitting alone? I guess I just feel like that number is kind of arbitrary, so especially on rides like FoP and 7DMT where the lines are soooo long, it would be more "fair" to just let the parent back on alone.

But since I'm always the only parent in the park with my 2 kids I'm always looking for an excuse to get 5 minutes alone ...

 

[HopperFan]

I disagree. Say a family has 2 parents and 2 kids, one of whom is too short. I don’t see a problem with getting a RS pass, even if everyone has a fastpass. I don’t think it’s criminal to allow the taller child 2 rides so that both parents can experience the ride with a member of the family.

Oh I agree with you. If everyone has a FP then yes they should allow the RS. My issue, which many others share, is when not everyone has a FP. That's where the loophole comes in.

I think you misunderstood what was said. Was not saying that they should not offer the program. Saying they need to update the program to match current services.

 

[KrazeeK120]

That makes sense, but then why make it for 3 people? Isn't one person still sitting alone? I guess I just feel like that number is kind of arbitrary, so especially on rides like FoP and 7DMT where the lines are soooo long, it would be more "fair" to just let the parent back on alone.

But since I'm always the only parent in the park with my 2 kids I'm always looking for an excuse to get 5 minutes alone ...

I think it’s for multiple people so that in the case of families with multiple kids tall enough to ride, there are no fights over who rides with who. All the kids get to go twice.

(RS is actually for 4 people - the rider + 3 addt’l)

 

[sweetmama17]

I'm a big proponent and user of rider swap (I don't think everyone needs the FP and I believe there are many legitimate reasons why) but I have NO issue with making them all for same day. I do like that you don't immediately have to use it as it can take a long time even going through FP for some of the rides but I don't think they should carry over til the end of the month.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

I think you misunderstood what was said. Was not saying that they should not offer the program. Saying they need to update the program to match current services.

I understood what you meant and agree with you. RS was never intended for families to double up on fast passes, especially not to get multiple tier 1s for the same day. I hope they fix that soon.

 

[DavidNYC]

I think it’s for multiple people so that in the case of families with multiple kids tall enough to ride, there are no fights over who rides with who. All the kids get to go twice.

(RS is actually for 4 people - the rider + 3 addt’l)

I don’t believe that’s correct. Ticket says it’s good for 3. There is no designated “rider” for a swap. The pass allows three to enter total.

 

[DavidNYC]

I see no problem with splitting FP as from experience I can tell you all that does is enable you to gain back some of the time you lose touring with kids who can’t ride for various reasons. But making passes same day is fine - you should have enough flexibility in a day to make use of it at a more convenient time. The multiple day encourages commercial abuse which the same day limits. Splitting FP just gives families some extra leeway which can’t be abused beyond the split. If they want to go to scan all - that’s a very easy requirement to implement which they could have done without any addl resources needed. Until that’s implemented, I would say Disney contemplates it being used that way and we have nothing concrete to the contrary.

 

[DavidNYC]

For rides like Everest, RnR and 7d, I’ve always been expecting them to cut the pass to 2 people. Makes no sense to allow 3 on a ride where only 2 can sit together no matter what. For flexible rides , I think 3 is nice as it allows larger parties some flexibility to share the experience, but if a ride vehicle sits only 2 - just allow 2.

 

[dlavender]

For rides like Everest, RnR and 7d, I’ve always been expecting them to cut the pass to 2 people. Makes no sense to allow 3 on a ride where only 2 can sit together no matter what. For flexible rides , I think 3 is nice as it allows larger parties some flexibility to share the experience, but if a ride vehicle sits only 2 - just allow 2.

I don't agree with that.

We have 3 kids, 1 who is still too small for some of the rides. On 7DMT, we both like to ride with our 2 kids who are tall enough. 9 year old rides in the car in front of us, while we sit with our 5 year old. Its great to watch them enjoy the ride, then talk about it afterwards. It's nice to experience the ride together. I don't see why they would need to limit it to two. What does that help? If its such a "problem", then they need to go back to having the rider switch rooms. Make everyone wait together, then the smallest goes with one parent while the others ride, then the parents switch.