Run Over by a Rascal

[KPeveler]

also, do you plan on needing these cards for just ECVs, or wheelchairs too? trust me, if i have a $5000 wheelchair of my own i bring in, THAT is my disability card. i am not pulling out a card saying i need it. my mom once got hurt in disney (pinched a nerve in her foot and couldnt walk), so we rented a chair for a day for her to rest it. we didnt have a drs note, and she only needed it for a day, she was not disabled. how do you handle that?

 

[KPeveler]

So, you’re offering to push me in a wheelchair? Thanks! I’ll PM you my park-touring schedule so you know where to be, and when. While, yes, it’s possible for a person to propel themselves in a manual wheelchair, if you’re not used to it, it’s EXTREMELY difficult. Add in hills, ruts, curbs, rail tracks, and Guests who just don’t “see” you down there, and it’s miserable.

Haha, good one! i know people who cannot push themselves at all, especially not in those heavy chairs. if i tried i would literally dislocate my shoulders due to my invisible disability!

 

[KPeveler]

Well, I guess you have a point.


I don't want anyone denied that actually needs the ecv. (yes, i'm aware of the invisible illness)

i just wish there weren't so many in the parks.

maybe disney should create a lane for them, like the bike lanes in certain cities.

Thanks for listening, really. sometimes i feel like i am talking to a wall for all people listen to me on this issue.

however, i do agree with you that people need to learn how to drive the ECVs, and I do wish they had smaller ones! i cannot use the ECvs there because they are too big. i am hoping to have my own lightweight chair by the next time i go, so i can truly enjoy the parks. i agree that there are many inconsiderate people in the world, and unfortunately some of them have ECVs. I do not say that everyone in an ECV is telling the absolute truth and they are all right. in fact, as a disabled person, i get more mad than you do when people fake, because it makes me look bad too.

 

[LittleLebowski]

Gas? Brake? You ever LOOK at one? These parts don’t exist. All there is for control is a throttle. You hold the throttle, the ‘scooter’ moves. You release the throttle, it stops moving – taking into account reaction time of the rider, and the laws of motion.

I would assume the driver that injured you.

[/quote] Or, perhaps, the person who stepped into the path of a ‘scooter’ without paying attention.
So, you’re offering to push me in a wheelchair? Thanks! I’ll PM you my park-touring schedule so you know where to be, and when. While, yes, it’s possible for a person to propel themselves in a manual wheelchair, if you’re not used to it, it’s EXTREMELY difficult. Add in hills, ruts, curbs, rail tracks, and Guests who just don’t “see” you down there, and it’s miserable.

No, it wasn’t. Jokes are amusing. The original post wasn’t. It was critical and judgmental.

Really? Then Disney also needs to make ALL Guests prove they have control of their senses and attitudes before entering the parks. And their wallets – but you know Disney would never do that

Yeah – I’ve run over my own foot while trying to maneuver an ECV in or out of the room. Now, granted, I wasn’t IN it – but it hurt, but on the other hand, that’s all it did was hurt. It didn’t break anything in my foot, it didn’t even bruise me. Also, no matter WHAT the weight, only 25% of it is accorded to any one wheel.[/QUOTE]

Go back into the hole that you crawled out of if you are going to make accusations and assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You are a bitter individual who enjoys taunting and badgering on a Disney forum

 

[NUguyinCrew]

I personally try to go to the World in the off season which is nice for the EVC people too because parks arent so crowded and they can actually get around. I dont have a complaint personally with EVC people, its just the few that abuse what should be the "rules" of EVC (and people's ankles without so much as an apology). When Im in the parks I dont really care. Im there to have a good time and the rude people who just want attention will not get it from me. Rant, rave, do whatever just dont do it in my face. Im there to take it easy and get my fill of the disney atmosphere.

 

[NUguyinCrew]

Go back into the hole that you crawled out of if you are going to make accusations and assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You are a bitter individual who enjoys taunting and badgering on a Disney forum
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I couldnt pass this up, then Im done with this thread...

Those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

 

[KPeveler]

Go back into the hole that you crawled out of if you are going to make accusations and assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You are a bitter individual who enjoys taunting and badgering on a Disney forum

I know you are new, but on these boards you get in trouble for speaking to someone like that. i would be careful, or this thread will be locked and you can even be banned. i see no reason for you to be this rude to her. please be nice. i dont even know where that came from! what taunting? she was speaking from her experience as an ECV user, so i dont know what the "you know nothing about" part was...

 

[usewickhouse]

To answer the original question...YES! My DD was ran over by one of these when she was just 2 . We were sitting on Main Street waiting for the parade and she was standing on the road right next to the curb when a lady driving one of those just HIT HER. It knocked her down and dragged her leg under it. We were SHOCKED ! All the woman could say is "O, I'm sorry I was trying to make it out of the park before the parade starts". Thankfully our DD was okay, her leg was terribly swollen and bruised but not broken. We were very lucky that we happen to be sitting next to a man that worked in a hospital and he immediately took over and checked her out. She is now almost 10 and she is SO afraid of those scooters.

Second story:
We were at WDW in 2003 and witnessed another woman run over another child while in one of these scooters. It was over in Frontierland near the Country Bear where you can cross from there to Adventure land. She ran the little guy over and then could not get the scooter off of him. A few of us ran over and litterly pulled the scooter off the little boy. He was not hurt seriously that I'm aware of but he was very upset and you could hear him crying for a very long time. The woman was shaken up but again really did not take the responsibility that she was at fault.

Both times it was extremely large ladies that were riding these. Just so I do not get any flames I am a plus sized mamma, . I agree there should be some safety training that goes along with riding these while at such a crowded place. It seems the people that drive these feel they have some entitlement to just PLOW through other people. Just because you are in one of those does not give you the right to bump other people. I'm suprised that there has not been lawsuits regarding these things.

I truly hope that no one ever gets seriously hurt by one of these and I hope if I ever need one that I will remember to be careful and not run anybody over.

 

[CAJUNBLAZE]

MGILMER,

They let you be a sponsor of these boards with comments like that?

I think of all the post I have read on the dis, that has to be the ugliest post yet!

CONGRATULATIONS!!

Follow them around heck! Just take the key to the dang thing and make them sit there immobile until security arrives. Better yet, take the key and toss it across the parking lot, street, or into the numerous moats or fountains and just walk away and leave them stranded.

 

[LittleLebowski]

I know you are new, but on these boards you get in trouble for speaking to someone like that. i would be careful, or this thread will be locked and you can even be banned. i see no reason for you to be this rude to her. please be nice. i dont even know where that came from! what taunting? she was speaking from her experience as an ECV user, so i dont know what the "you know nothing about" part was...

I said "Someone you know nothing about referring to me" I have been nothing but nice in this thread trying to say that I just want people to be more aware, and for people to say that I am being judgemental and critical of a disabled, handicapped, individual is wrong and I never would. So when you say please be nice, I am, and I never said anything about her being an ECV user!

 

[KPeveler]

I truly hope that no one ever gets seriously hurt by one of these and I hope if I ever need one that I will remember to be careful and not run anybody over.

This is a good attitude to take. there are rude or inconsiderate people in scooters and walking, and everyone needs to be more aware

 

[KPeveler]

So when you say please be nice, I am

"Go back into the hole that you crawled out of if you are going to make accusations and assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You are a bitter individual who enjoys taunting and badgering on a Disney forum"

This is nice?

 

[Goofy'slady]

I doubt very seriously that the persons driving these scooters/pushing wheelchairs and or strollers are targeting anyone in hopes of injurying someone bad enough to ruin their vaca. Unlesse your leg comes off GET OVER IT! You're in Freggin DISNEY WORLD, let that person pass. Now if your leg is broken or mangled then we're talking about something entirely different.

Toya

 

[LittleLebowski]

I am not trying to be the CO, I am trying to be helpful on a Disney forum to other people. i am not trying to rewrite the DISNEY CODE OF ECV/MOTOR CHAIRS either. I am just posting something that happened to me to see if this happened to anyone else, that is all. I see other forum posts warning about strollers, are they to be banned to, NO. I know not everyone always pays attention due to the million things going on at Disney parks, but you should be extra careful on one of those things and some people are not even more so the walkers not the riders, Fair Enough?

Happy K, this was my main intention on posting this thread. So judgemental and critical is not nice either now is it?

 

[RJD]

I can totally relate to the original poster. The last time we were at WDW, this was one of our biggest pet peeves. I understand there are many people who need these scooters and that they are physically incapable of doing all the walking involved at WDW, but we really ran into some less than courteous scooter operators, including an older man who literally ran right into my DS who was 7 at the time and then yelled at my son to get out of the way. This man was obviously disabled, on oxygen, but that is no excuse to be rude (not to mention a hazard!). So honestly, I hate to sound mean, but by the end of our week there, I really had had enough of the scooters. Of course like anything, I am sure the good operators far outweigh the bad, unfortunately it's the bad and impolite people who get noticed.

 

[KPeveler]

i was not sayign the entire thread was not nice, and i agree that people need to learn to drive better. i meant more that telling someone to go crawl back into a hole is not terribly kind... your original post has a point. i am working on getting a wheelchair, and plan on using one in disney because i am afraid of hitting someone in an ECV, so i know where you are coming from

 

[KPeveler]

I can totally relate to the original poster. The last time we were at WDW, this was one of our biggest pet peeves. I understand there are many people who need these scooters and that they are physically incapable of doing all the walking involved at WDW, but we really ran into some less than courteous scooter operators, including an older man who literally ran right into my DS who was 7 at the time and then yelled at my son to get out of the way. This man was obviously disabled, on oxygen, but that is no excuse to be rude (not to mention a hazard!). So honestly, I hate to sound mean, but by the end of our week there, I really had had enough of the scooters. Of course like anything, I am sure the good operators far outweigh the bad, unfortunately it's the bad and impolite people who get noticed.

People like that drive me crazy. I would probably have been even more mad then you, because i am disabled too. nothing annoys me more than the disabled who think they are entitled to something, simply because of disability. i am only 22 and watching my body deteriorate, and i work hard for everything i get. people like that give the disabled a bad image, and it is something i ma having to fight constantly!

 

[lunapnp]

I think the underlying issue to *this* whole problem is a lack of common courtesy by EVERYONE. If you are an ECV, wheelchair, stroller, whatever user...just use your manners that hopefully you were taught as a child. Most people on this post who have had an unfortunate encounter with an ECV are outraged at the lack of remorse on the part of the driver (just my view). Accidents do happen...it's a fact of life. Ever since my daughter has started using a wheelchair (age of 2.5) I have strived to teach her to be respectful of others and to realize how BAD her wheelchair hurts when she runs over someone else. I have taught her to be more observant and to apologize to people she accidentally runs into. However, she has a hard time comprehending why she is not given the same courtesy and why some people will not even move out of her way when she's trying to navigate through a small area...yes she says excuse me and then her dad and I resort to louder excuse me's! Wheelchairs, power or manual, are very difficult to navigate. I have tried with my daughter's because she makes it look soooo easy.
I only see one solution for Disney regarding people who do not need ECV's...Disney should no longer rent them...period. People who truly need them will make their own arrangements to have one available. It is a pain in the *neck* to rent one through an outside agency...but it's another pain that truly needful people will endure.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I personally try to go to the World in the off season which is nice for the EVC people too because parks arent so crowded and they can actually get around.

You know, that makes absolute sense! I've never gone to Disney World in Peak, or even Regular, season (and forget Holiday season! ) so, yeah, I've never really experienced trouble getting around - and by the way, the one time I did ACCIDENTALLY run over someone else's foot, I was horrified. I felt worse than he did!

Go back into the hole that you crawled out of if you are going to make accusations and assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You are a bitter individual who enjoys taunting and badgering on a Disney forum

Let's see - I know about jokes, I know about humor, I know about ECVs, I know about wheelchairs, I know people who don't use them think they can stop instantly, I know letting go of the throttle stops an ECV a lot faster than braking an automobile, I know Guests on foot very often just don't "see" Guests in chairs, I know about Disney... what, exactly, are you claiming I don't know?
And, rules of the DISboards - attack the post, do NOT attack the poster. You might want to read the board guidelines http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm before posting again.

 

[LittleLebowski]

i was not sayign the entire thread was not nice, and i agree that people need to learn to drive better. i meant more that telling someone to go crawl back into a hole is not terribly kind... your original post has a point. i am working on getting a wheelchair, and plan on using one in disney because i am afraid of hitting someone in an ECV, so i know where you are coming from

It is easy to not hit someone in Disney....learn how to drive the ECV and be careful. It is like a car or a bicycle or something you have to learn to use, not just hop on and go. If you have someone that is gratious enough to assist you with a wheelchair and that is the way you want to go than fine, but if an ECV will make it more enjoyable for the both of you/group, than be responsible.