Rumors that Disney is in negotiations to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas!

[PolymerSkywalker]

Since October 30th, 2012 the best Star Wars we have gotten by a very large margin is Rogue One imho. Andor seems to understand this, and is trying to do more of that.

 

[BrianL]

Since October 30th, 2012 the best Star Wars we have gotten by a very large margin is Rogue One imho. Andor seems to understand this, and is trying to do more of that.

I will say that Rebels is the best we have gotten.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I will say that Rebels is the best we have gotten.

In the case of Star Wars, live action is much more important and reaches a much bigger audience than animation does imho.

 

[BrianL]

In the case of Star Wars, live action is much more important and reaches a much bigger audience than animation does imho.

That may be true, but it's a sad comment on society as the animation is largely superior to everything else.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

That may be true, but it's a sad comment on society as the animation is largely superior to everything else.

While I understand your comments, I think it all goes back to it's origins. "Real Star Wars" was mostly live action movies, at the origin of the 2nd biggest movie franchise in cinematic history (MCU is #1). If it had started as a cartoon with the original creator of this world, the cartoons would be most important.

 

[BrianL]

While I understand your comments, I think it all goes back to it's origins. "Real Star Wars" was mostly live action movies, at the origin of the 2nd biggest movie franchise in cinematic history (MCU is #1). If it had started as a cartoon with the original creator of this world, the cartoons would be most important.

It's all "Real Star Wars."

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/star-wars-jedi-named-divisive-movie-40-years/

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

It's all "Real Star Wars."

Real Star Wars is what George created, and watched over. There is Real Star Wars and then Disneyfied Star Wars.

I agree they are both Star Wars, but I will never agree that they both are true to the vision of the man who created this world. George literally said the sale of Star Wars was like selling your child to "white slavers".

 

[leiaorgana]

George was involved with both Clone Wars animated series though so wouldn’t that make it “real” Star Wars in your eyes?

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

George was involved with both Clone Wars animated series though so wouldn’t that make it “real” Star Wars in your eyes?

Yes, I could agree with that. However, I just don't think the animated stuff reaches enough people to be considered as important as the live action stuff. All opinion of course.

I also think George likes some of what Disney has done. I know he has quoted as saying he really liked Rogue One and thought it was really well done. I happen to agree with him on that.

 

[Moliphino]

In the case of Star Wars, live action is much more important and reaches a much bigger audience than animation does imho.

Ok, but you said "best" not "most important".

 

[leiaorgana]

I’ll agree with you that it doesn’t reach as many as casual fans as it should do and that’s a real shame because people are missing out on some really good storytelling but I think the animated shows do have weight in future storylines and a large fanbase in other parts of the SW fandom. I get it though. It’s a lot to catch up on even for fans who are more passionate about SW than others and a big time investment with 7 seasons of TCW, 4 seasons of SWR, 2 seasons of TBB and then 2 seasons of SW: Resistance if you’re not really bothered about them.

We’re already seeing though that the animated shows are just as important in the live action television side of SW though. As an example, my parents have no interest whatsoever in watching the animated shows because that’s just not their thing and they don’t have time for it and so when things pop up in The Mandalorian etc like certain characters or references to things in the animated shows that they don’t understand they have to ask me to explain it to them but once they know, they know going forward. I really do think they will (and many other people) are going to struggle with following Ahsoka without watching Star Wars Rebels and personally I wish Dave had just done it as an animated sequel to Rebels like he originally intended to.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Ok, but you said "best" not "most important".

Yes I said best. The best since Disney bought the IP is Rogue One, and by a large margin imho.

 

[FCDub]

Real Star Wars is what George created, and watched over. There is Real Star Wars and then Disneyfied Star Wars.

I agree they are both Star Wars, but I will never agree that they both are true to the vision of the man who created this world. George literally said the sale of Star Wars was like selling your child to "white slavers".

George Lucas made two great Star Wars movies (only directing one), two OK movies and two awful ones. He had no vision beyond the first movie (despite what he says), or else he wouldn’t have had the brother and sister passionately kiss. And it's fine to make it up as you go along – that's what art is!

Problem is he got so wrapped up in his Tolkien worship that his ego and need to be seen as an equal genius wouldn't let him accept anything else than being the sole force in all of these things. That rears its head in the prequels, when he'd effectively fired everyone who wasn't a yes man and, as a result, were pretty bad movies. So he’s hardly a deity. He had a great original idea and was a world-changing marketer – but he's not the end all be all.

 

[jerry557]

And I ask again. Why does it matter? Men are written the same way, with inconsequential flaws that don't cause them problems and it's never been a problem. Specially when we are talking about fantasy and sci fi. It's all unrealistic and fake. Why is it suddenly a problem if it's a woman that is written just like men are?

Because the characters and their behaviors, desires, and instincts need to be somewhat realistic and understandable, even if it's fantasy. No one today seems to know how to write strong women that are likable and understandable. Everyone is too pre-occupied with proving their own agenda or pushing a message instead of just making a good story.

For example the character Ellen Ripley in Alien. Or Sarah Connor in Terminator. Those two are very strong female characters that many accept. Even in the genre of Sci-FI and horror, which has many male fans, they are iconic characters and favorites. So what did James Cameron do correctly with these characters that Disney can't seem to get right with female characters they try to write? Well for one thing, these franchises were born in the 1980s. Cameron didn't have to worry about a feminist agenda or virtue signaling. He didn't have to worry about making sexist jokes against men or feeling as if he needed Ripley or Connor to show off or make the male characters around them weak. All he did was write a badass character that happened to be a woman. That's it. (Along with some very good acting by Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton)

And that's the major complaint with Disney movies right now. The virtue signaling is out of control. The people running these productions today are all highly-educated feminists and diversity experts who are all very angry at how sexist and racist Hollywood was in the past. But NONE of them are good storytellers. They are terrible at this. They cannot make a good story if their lives depended on it. Because they don't care about the story. They don't care about the character. They are more focused on trying to prove a point.
Look at the Disney executive that was just fired, Latondra Newton. Do you think her primary focus was that Disney was writing good stories? Or was it her political/social agenda more important? And then we have Kathleen Kennedy right now running Lucasfilms who talks more about feminism and diversity more than making improving Star Wars as a franchise. Her agenda is her priority. And it's why the movies suck. And now the new series is being highlighted and applauded because it has a transgender character. What the hell? Again...proves my point these stupid people running these productions have agenda that has nothing to do with creating good stories. Politics is all they care about. And I refuse to watch these movies.

The only Star Wars movie that Disney did that works is Rogue One. Why? It has a female lead, yes. But other than that the "woke" is kept pretty much sidelined. It doesn't really show up blatantly anywhere in the movie. Jyn Erso is a strong character by herself. She's relatable and realistic. She's not showing off. And the men around her are not purposely weakened in order to make her look better. Cassian Andor is actually strong throughout the entire movie, yet doesn't steal the show. There is no social or political commentary to try to lecture its audience about. It's just a movie focused on its own plot within its own universe. Rogue One was actually pretty decently written. But when you look at the other Star Wars movies Disney has made (particularly episodes 7-9), it's a mess. Rey being a "Mary Sue" is not even the biggest problem with those movies.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Because the characters and their behaviors, desires, and instincts need to be somewhat realistic and understandable, even if it's fantasy. No one today seems to know how to write strong women that are likable and understandable. Everyone is too pre-occupied with proving their own agenda or pushing a message instead of just making a good story.

For example the character Ellen Ripley in Alien. Or Sarah Connor in Terminator. Those two are very strong female characters that many accept. Even in the genre of Sci-FI and horror, which has many male fans, they are iconic characters and favorites. So what did James Cameron do correctly with these characters that Disney can't seem to get right with female characters they try to write? Well for one thing, these franchises were born in the 1980s. Cameron didn't have to worry about a feminist agenda or virtue signaling. He didn't have to worry about making sexist jokes against men or feeling as if he needed Ripley or Connor to show off or make the male characters around them weak. All he did was write a badass character that happened to be a woman. That's it. (Along with some very good acting by Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton)

And that's the major complaint with Disney movies right now. The virtue signaling is out of control. The people running these productions today are all highly-educated feminists and diversity experts who are all very angry at how sexist and racist Hollywood was in the past. But NONE of them are good storytellers. They are terrible at this. They cannot make a good story if their lives depended on it. Because they don't care about the story. They don't care about the character. They are more focused on trying to prove a point.
Look at the Disney executive that was just fired, Latondra Newton. Do you think her primary focus was that Disney was writing good stories? Or was it her political/social agenda more important? And then we have Kathleen Kennedy right now running Lucasfilms who talks more about feminism and diversity more than making improving Star Wars as a franchise. Her agenda is her priority. And it's why the movies suck. And now the new series is being highlighted and applauded because it has a transgender character. What the hell? Again...proves my point these stupid people running these productions have agenda that has nothing to do with creating good stories. Politics is all they care about. And I refuse to watch these movies.

The only Star Wars movie that Disney did that works is Rogue One. Why? It has a female lead, yes. But other than that the "woke" is kept pretty much sidelined. It doesn't really show up blatantly anywhere in the movie. Jyn Erso is a strong character by herself. She's relatable and realistic. She's not showing off. And the men around her are not purposely weakened in order to make her look better. Cassian Andor is actually strong throughout the entire movie, yet doesn't steal the show. There is no social or political commentary to try to lecture its audience about. It's just a movie focused on its own plot within its own universe. Rogue One was actually pretty decently written. But when you look at the other Star Wars movies Disney has made (particularly episodes 7-9), it's a mess. Rey being a "Mary Sue" is not even the biggest problem with those movies.

Bravo, very well said right there. Focus on a great story first, and everything else comes after that. That’s where Disney is failing right now.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

George Lucas made two great Star Wars movies (only directing one), two OK movies and two awful ones. He had no vision beyond the first movie (despite what he says), or else he wouldn’t have had the brother and sister passionately kiss. And it's fine to make it up as you go along – that's what art is!

Problem is he got so wrapped up in his Tolkien worship that his ego and need to be seen as an equal genius wouldn't let him accept anything else than being the sole force in all of these things. That rears its head in the prequels, when he'd effectively fired everyone who wasn't a yes man and, as a result, were pretty bad movies. So he’s hardly a deity. He had a great original idea and was a world-changing marketer – but he's not the end all be all.

But George had the creative vision and without him it doesn’t even exist. No one would say let’s make a story about Hogwarts without Rowling's input, that’s ludicrous right? Well it’s the same thing with Lucas, no one can comprehend the world he created, better than the actual creator.

So even if you don’t like a movie, it’s still his vision of his creation.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Wonder Woman is another really well written character in Hollywood. She is perfectly cast and plays a perfectly genuine female lead character. WW is a good example of how to do it correctly today. Night and day from Rey and Captain Marvel.

 

[ttintagel]

Rogue One was not only the most pointless installment in the Star Wars franchise, it was one of the most pointless movies I've ever seen, full stop. Two hours of "so what." The answer to a question nobody asked. Every character so bland and personality-free I could swear they were all working under medical sedation. Forgot 90% of the plot by the time I got to the parking lot.

And the sound design was absolutely incompetent.

 

[mdmost]

I find it hilarious that feminists are the reason to the two above that the Disney movies have sucked when all the writers and directors for those movies have been men.