Rumors that Disney is in negotiations to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas!

Which of his other movies had that sort of reaction?
he has been documented multiple times saying these are the types of movies he wants to make. Look it up on youtube, there are multiple examples out there where he says his goal in film making is 1/2 to love it, and 1/2 to hate it.
 
he has been documented multiple times saying these are the types of movies he wants to make. Look it up on youtube, there are multiple examples out there where he says his goal in film making is 1/2 to love it, and 1/2 to hate it.
But his prior movies and movies afterward were well reviewed and well rated by audiences. You said he had a MO but that doesn’t seem to have been carried out based on his record.
 
http://www.cinemablography.org/blog/subverting-expectations-analyzing-the-career-of-rian-johnson

It is widely known that Johnson's goal is to "subvert expectations", he wants to determine what the audience thinks should happen and do the opposite (See Link Above for Details). Works great for a knives out murder mystery, worked terribly for Star Wars.

Bottom line is he is quoted as saying he wants to subvert expectations, and he is credited with making one of the most divisive movies in cinema history with TLJ. You can disagree, but literally hundreds of major entertainment journalist have written about how incredibly divisive TLJ was, with many going as far as saying it "Split the Fan Base"!
 
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he has been documented multiple times saying these are the types of movies he wants to make. Look it up on youtube, there are multiple examples out there where he says his goal in film making is 1/2 to love it, and 1/2 to hate it.

That quote seems somewhat misunderstood to me. His point is that not everybody likes everything. He also said that "All of my favorite movies are somebbody else's least favorite movies." The point is that he can never be all things to all people - not that he actually wants people to hate his films.
 
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I think a lot of people, because it was so long ago, don't realize that both Empire and Jedi split the fan base at the time they were released. We just didn't have social media, instant reaction, and conspiratorial YouTube videos to push a negative message to the masses. Some people hated Empire because it was too slow with way too much talking and not enough action, it was too much of a departure from the first film, they split the characters up on different quests instead of keeping them all together, it had fairly dark themes, and ended on a sad note. Jedi to some felt too light and they hated the Ewoks, or felt it was too much of a movie meant for kids.
 
I think a lot of people, because it was so long ago, don't realize that both Empire and Jedi split the fan base at the time they were released. We just didn't have social media, instant reaction, and conspiratorial YouTube videos to push a negative message to the masses. Some people hated Empire because it was too slow with way too much talking and not enough action, it was too much of a departure from the first film, they split the characters up on different quests instead of keeping them all together, it had fairly dark themes, and ended on a sad note. Jedi to some felt too light and they hated the Ewoks, or felt it was too much of a movie meant for kids.
That all makes a lot of sense, no one is ever happy with sequels of any kind for the most part, but it seems like with Star Wars they eventually come around. Look at the prequel trilogy and how much hate it originally received, I'm not saying that will happen with the sequel trilogy, but never say never🤷‍♂️
 
I always laugh when some ppl say something destroyed Star Wars. Like there isn't movies, tv shows, books, video games, etc etc coming in the next few years that lots of other ppl are excited for and looking foward to. Maybe accept that something isn't for you and move on and just enjoy what you do like.

"Destroyed Star Wars" 🤣 my grandkids will be watching Star Wars stuff in 60 years.
 
That all makes a lot of sense, no one is ever happy with sequels of any kind for the most part, but it seems like with Star Wars they eventually come around. Look at the prequel trilogy and how much hate it originally received, I'm not saying that will happen with the sequel trilogy, but never say never🤷‍♂️
I feel most generations are just always going to gravitate to their era and be less inclined to think subsequent movies aren't as good because we're never going to be the same age as when those movies were most magical to us.
 
I feel most generations are just always going to gravitate to their era and be less inclined to think subsequent movies aren't as good because we're never going to be the same age as when those movies were most magical to us.
💯, it’s what a giant chunk of the media market is designed around now, nostalgia sells. It’s never as good as you remember, but sometimes a taste of it does the trick.
Who would have ever thought an original thought would be such a novel concept
 
I think a lot of people, because it was so long ago, don't realize that both Empire and Jedi split the fan base at the time they were released. We just didn't have social media, instant reaction, and conspiratorial YouTube videos to push a negative message to the masses. Some people hated Empire because it was too slow with way too much talking and not enough action, it was too much of a departure from the first film, they split the characters up on different quests instead of keeping them all together, it had fairly dark themes, and ended on a sad note. Jedi to some felt too light and they hated the Ewoks, or felt it was too much of a movie meant for kids.
But by almost all objective measures as a story, Empire is the best film in the series. Part of the reason why is that Lucas let a lot of very talented people run with their strengths on that film. Larry Kasdan & Leigh Brackett wrote it, Irvin Kershner directed it, and Paul Hirsh edited it. Lucas executive produced and consulted when asked, but didn't micromanage it, and that was what made it better than the original.

Lucas' strength is as a big-picture idea guy; he has always been better off leaving dialogue and the filmmaking technicalities to others.
 
But the whole point is that it doesn't matter what your bloodline is. By that Logic, Vader's bloodline "won" because of Luke. That's an odd way to think about it. Sure, you can not like that Rey took the name, but I don't think it symbolizes a win for the Emporer at all.

Indeed that was the whole point in TLJ.

Rey came from nowhere and was a nobody. Even the kids at the end were having brooms cleaning the barn.

Then stick to that story.

But nope, TROS she's becomes a Palpatine.
 
Indeed that was the whole point in TLJ.

Rey came from nowhere and was a nobody. Even the kids at the end were having brooms cleaning the barn.

Then stick to that story.

But nope, TROS she's becomes a Palpatine.
The only reason JJ changed this was because there was so much backlash to Rian's "subvert their expectations" way of doing things. It's also massively breaks cannon. Strong force sensitive characters before TLJ were born into a family of other force sensitive people, or their force sensitivity was improved over many difficult years of hard training. Luke and Leia were so strong with force abilities because their father (Anakin) was a strong force user. JJ was trying to fix all the stuff that Rian had screwed up. It made zero sense for a random person born to scumbag parents to be one of the galaxies most incredible force users, with essentially zero training.

In the end JJ did the best he could with the direction from Lucasfilm of:
- Make the OT fans happy, because we are tired of all the backlash
- Fix Luke the best you can, I know he is dead......but please get these OT fans off our back
- Fix all of of the plot holes that Rian messed up
- Tie it all into a bow for a fitting end to a Trilogy

It was an impossible task. I am not a JJ Abrams fan, but it's easy to see the blame falls at the guy that screwed up the middle act here.
 
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The only reason JJ changed this was because there was so much backlash to Rian's "subvert their expectations" way of doing things. It's also massively breaks cannon. Force sensitive characters before TLJ were born into a family of other force sensitive people. Luke and Leia were so strong with force abilities because their father (Anakin) was a strong force user. JJ was trying to fix all the stuff that Rian had screwed up. It made zero sense for a random person born to scumbag parents to be one of the galaxies most incredible force users, with essentially zero training.

In the end JJ did the best he could with the direction from Lucasfilm of:
- Make the OT fans happy, because we are tired of all the backlash
- Fix Luke the best you can, I know he is dead......but please get these OT fans off our back
- Fix all of of the plot holes that Rian messed up
- Tie it all into a bow for a fitting end to a Trilogy

It was an impossible task. I am not a JJ Abrams fan, but it's easy to see the blame falls at the guy that screwed up the middle act here.

That is not at all accurate. If that were true, then the Jedi would never replenish their ranks with younglings because they are forbidden to have attachments and relationships (of course some of them did anyway). Force sensitive children were born to non-Force weilding parents all the time. Now, certainly, if one was already strong witht he force, it was likely to show up in their progeny, but it wasn't a rule. Actually, ALL living creatures can feel the force anyway, they jsut can't necessarily tap into it in that way.
 
The only reason JJ changed this was because there was so much backlash to Rian's "subvert their expectations" way of doing things. It's also massively breaks cannon. Force sensitive characters before TLJ were born into a family of other force sensitive people. Luke and Leia were so strong with force abilities because their father (Anakin) was a strong force user. JJ was trying to fix all the stuff that Rian had screwed up. It made zero sense for a random person born to scumbag parents to be one of the galaxies most incredible force users, with essentially zero training.

In the end JJ did the best he could with the direction from Lucasfilm of:
- Make the OT fans happy, because we are tired of all the backlash
- Fix Luke the best you can, I know he is dead......but please get these OT fans off our back
- Fix all of of the plot holes that Rian messed up
- Tie it all into a bow for a fitting end to a Trilogy

It was an impossible task. I am not a JJ Abrams fan, but it's easy to see the blame falls at the guy that screwed up the middle act here.
OK, and who is the force user before Anakin? And before that ancestor? Before Ashoka?

If that were true, Jedi wouldn't need to scourge the galaxy for force sensitive kids. They would just procreate. Which they can't and that is the literal reason Anakin was lured to the Dark Side.
 
OK, and who is the force user before Anakin? And before that ancestor? Before Ashoka?

If that were true, Jedi wouldn't need to scourge the galaxy for force sensitive kids. They would just procreate. Which they can't and that is the literal reason Anakin was lured to the Dark Side.

Yup, what I just said. Though, actually, Anakin came from Plagueis, though not in the *ahem* direct manner. Midichlorians created him.

But, others? Of course. They just randomly exhibit storng force sensitivity. That's who the Jedi look out for.
 
That is not at all accurate. If that were true, then the Jedi would never replenish their ranks with younglings because they are forbidden to have attachments and relationships (of course some of them did anyway). Force sensitive children were born to non-Force weilding parents all the time. Now, certainly, if one was already strong witht he force, it was likely to show up in their progeny, but it wasn't a rule. Actually, ALL living creatures can feel the force anyway, they jsut can't necessarily tap into it in that way.
Yes they always found force sensitive kids with random parents. They never once found one that the first day the heard about the force was able to master complex force techniques. He was trying to explain how this girl born to nobodies was all of a sudden the most powerful force user the galaxy had ever seen, with essentially no training.
 
OK, and who is the force user before Anakin? And before that ancestor? Before Ashoka?

If that were true, Jedi wouldn't need to scourge the galaxy for force sensitive kids. They would just procreate. Which they can't and that is the literal reason Anakin was lured to the Dark Side.
Anakin came from Plagueis. I don't know on Ashoka as I have never watched all the animated stuff. However, I do know Ashoka trained extensively at the Jedi Academy and then again as Anakin's padewan. So once again extensive training, throughout star wars lore is almost always essential for an advanced force user of Rey's ability.
 
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Yes they always found force sensitive kids with random parents. They never once found one that the first day the heard about the force was able to master complex force techniques. He was trying to explain how this girl born to nobodies was all of a sudden the most powerful force user the galaxy had ever seen, with essentially no training.

Well, Luke learned about the force and on the same day he was blindly blocking laser bolts and hitting an impossible target without even looking. :confused3
 
Mandelorian was really good for two seasons, then the ratings plummeted. Absolute peak of this this show was the return of the real Master Jedi Luke Skywalker and not the old grumpy bum in TLJ.

Book of Boba was a flop

Obi Wan was a flop

Andor appears to be good, but no one watched it

If you think Star Wars is in a healthy place right now, I am just not sure how you can come to that conclusion.
Do you have a link to ratings showing that these were flops?
 














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