Rumors that Disney is in negotiations to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas!

[RivShore]

Read what I wrote, you can find some basic charts and graphs, but they are not complete. Streaming data is very hard to track unlike traditional linear TV viewership numbers. By design by the way. They don't like us knowing how much something is watched.

Samba TV has some data, but it is quite incomplete at times. You somewhat rely on the streamers to report their own stuff, and they are not likely to paint themselves in a bad light.

I am really not trying to be cagey on this, if there was clear cut data I would link it. There has yet to be a universal accepted way to measure viewership numbers on streaming platforms. You are relying on self reporting in many cases from the streaming companies, and when they don't have good numbers they don't talk about it much. If it's a huge hit you will see them talk about it a good bit though, and it will make their top 10 list. Some use minutes streamed, some use total viewers, I have even seen peak numbers viewing at one time reported. It is really hard to compare one show to another. Almost impossible to compare two from different streaming platforms. I still think we may have someone figure this out at some point, because I doubt the advertisers like not being able to compare objectively where to spend their marketing dollars.

That was basicly my point, there's no good way to measure things, yet you seemed to present bad numbers for the SW series as fact.

 

[nancipants]

Like me on Smuggler’s Run

I have only flown once and omg I was so bad. Thankfully we were all one group so we were all laughing hysterically.

 

[BrianL]

*puts on nerd hat* You mean T-16 skyhopper.

Ahem, yes, the T-16.

 

[leiaorgana]

So now pod racing, driving a supped up go cart basically, is the equivalent of performing a complex Jedi mind trick and using the force to acquire an objects from another highly trained force user?

My immediate thought when Rey pulls the saber from the snow away from Kylo, is how on earth does she know how to do that. I think it is a little funny that Mark Hamill had the exact same response. I believe his words were "What? She has never even been to Degaba for training"! The only logical explanation which is what JJ ended up doing in #9, is that she was strong with the force because she was the heir to an incredibly powerful force user.

Maz Kanata explains it earlier in the film when Rey finds Anakin's lightsaber down in her castle basement.

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him, and now it calls to you."

The crystal inside of it was calling to and drawn to the light side in Rey when it sensed her at the castle because in new canon Kyber Crystals are sentient beings and are drawn to their Jedi/users in a sort of "Harry Potter way" where the wand chooses the wizard but in this case the Kyber Crystal chooses the Jedi by "shining and singing out" to them through the force when going through The Gathering to make their lightsabers as younglings and later bonding with them (as seen in The Clone Wars animated series) and that's essentially what happened when Anakin's saber lured Rey down to the basement and she had those Force Visions/Echoes when touching it like Cal Kestis does in the Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor games. Rey had already established a connection to the saber/crystal earlier in the film on Takodana and so when she instinctively reached out to it in the forest it was drawn to her through the force over Kylo Ren at that time. When force users who fall to the dark side bleed their Kyber Crystals to turn them red they're essentially torturing and causing pain to the crystal and making them "bleed" by funneling all of their hate and anger into it because it goes against the crystal's natural state.

You also need to remember that during the fight between Kylo Ren and Rey on Starkiller Base that Kylo Ren is in a weakened state both physically from just being shot by his furry Uncle and was bleeding out and also mentally/emotionally from having just killed his father and internally being at war with himself over that. Ben/Kylo was literally punching himself in his wound to cause himself pain to make himself stronger because he was so weakened by what had happened leading up to that fight and to also fuel the darkness in him since Han had sparked what light remained in him before he killed him. Kylo wasn't at his full power during that fight with Rey and was heavily injured so it's not that much of a stretch that she was able to get the upper-hand that she did when she eventually connected to and allowed the force to flow through herself because it was already shown earlier in the film that she's a competent fighter after years of having to defend and protect herself on Jakku with her staff.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Sooo you are pick and choosing what cannon is now? And anything you don't like is crap? Are you secretly the hater youtuber?

Not at all, just saying "read a book" is a complicated response. All the books? Just the ones written since Disney has owned it? Or just the ones approved and sanctioned for George Lucas himself? Do comic books count, because I have read some of them that tell completely different stories than what Disney is currently telling. There is a massive amount of literature out there about Star Wars.

I could be incorrect, but I put more stock into the rules and the lore of the galaxy as established by George Lucas himself.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Maz Kanata explains it earlier in the film when Rey finds Anakin's lightsaber down in her castle basement.

"That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him, and now it calls to you."

The crystal inside of it was calling to and drawn to the light side in Rey when it sensed her at the castle because in new canon Kyber Crystals are sentient beings and are drawn to their Jedi/users in a sort of "Harry Potter way" where the wand chooses the wizard but in this case the Kyber Crystal chooses the Jedi by "shining and singing out" to them through the force when going through The Gathering to make their lightsabers as younglings and later bonding with them (as seen in The Clone Wars animated series) and that's essentially what happened when Anakin's saber lured Rey down to the basement and she had those Force Visions/Echoes when touching it like Cal Kestis does in the Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor games. Rey had already established a connection to the saber/crystal earlier in the film on Takodana and so when she instinctively reached out to it in the forest it was drawn to her through the force over Kylo Ren at that time. When force users who fall to the dark side bleed their Kyber Crystals to turn them red they're essentially torturing and causing pain to the crystal and making them "bleed" by funneling all of their hate and anger into it because it goes against the crystal's natural state.

You also need to remember that during the fight between Kylo Ren and Rey on Starkiller Base that Kylo Ren is in a weakened state both physically from just being shot by his furry Uncle and was bleeding out and also mentally/emotionally from having just killed his father and internally being at war with himself over that. Ben/Kylo was literally punching himself in his wound to cause himself pain to make himself stronger because he was so weakened by what had happened leading up to that fight and to also fuel the darkness in him since Han had sparked what light remained in him before he killed him. Kylo wasn't at his full power during that fight with Rey and was heavily injured so it's not that much of a stretch that she was able to get the upper-hand that she did when she eventually connected to and allowed the force to flow through herself because it was already shown earlier in the film that she's a competent fighter after years of having to defend and protect herself on Jakku with her staff.

Probably the best explanation I have ever heard on this scene to justify it. It's logical and does a decent job of explaining how this could possibly happen. However, asking the average Star Wars fan to know ,or have even seen all of what you reference, is a pretty big ask. Impressive response no doubt though. The wand choosing a wizard is a very logical explanation.

One thing that is tough for me to understand though is in Vader's and Lukes early interaction, Vader's mastery of the force is so incredibly far above Luke's. Luke is massively overmatched in every way. Seems like we would have seen a similar dynamic in the first meeting between Rey and Kylo. Vader literally is toying with him, and could have killed him in the first 10 seconds of the fight if he had wanted to.

 

[BrianL]

Probably the best explanation I have ever heard on this scene to justify it. It's logical and does a decent job of explaining how this could possibly happen. However, asking the average Star Wars fan to know ,or have even seen all of what you reference, is a pretty big ask. Impressive response no doubt though. The wand choosing a wizard is a very logical explanation.

One thing that is tough for me to understand though is in Vader's and Lukes early interaction, Vader's mastery of the force is so incredibly far above Luke's. Luke is massively overmatched in every way. Seems like we would have seen a similar dynamic in the first meeting between Rey and Kylo. Vader literally is toying with him, and could have killed him in the first 10 seconds of the fight if he had wanted to.

Well, Kylo Ren was injured and also lacks discipline. He is actually very prone to rage issues, and while I know Sith fight with anger, he really lets it get the better of him. I mena, I think every fan will admit that Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

So ultimately what you are saying is Kylo is no where near where Anakin was at this point of his training. Simultaneously, Rey is significantly better than Luke was at the infancy of his force knowledge? That how you see it?

 

[BrianL]

So ultimately what you are saying is Kylo is no where near where Anakin was at this point of his training. Simultaneously, Rey is significantly better than Luke was at the infancy of his force knowledge? That how you see it?

As I've said, I honestly don't think she was better with the Force at that point. We've already established that luke did a few things with little to no training. I DO think Rey was a better trained fighter than Luke was. That was made clear at the beginning of the movie. She lived in a place where she had to fight. Luke didn't really need to, other than to ocassionally shoot at some Tusken Raiders.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Back to the original question, I see no way in heck Disney sells Lucasfilm. It would be way too complicated to do, and would be somewhat like admitting that they mismanaged it (similar to the sell of power rangers years ago). The integration of Disney Star Wars movies stuff in the parks, suggest Disney will be owner of the Star Wars IP for a very long time. No matter what some talking heads on youtube think. I think Kamran Pasha means well, but just get's his "insider information" very wrong sometimes.

My hope is Disney gets their act together and figures out how to bridge the gap between the people who love the new stuff and the people who love the OT. I do fear that there are some OT fans that are so jaded at this point that they won't support anything until Kathleene Kennedy is gone.

I need to give Andor a try. Many people I trust say it is really good, and it has a very large production budget so I bet it looks good visually. I kind of checked out after Boba and Obi-Wan were not very good to my eye.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

That was basicly my point, there's no good way to measure things, yet you seemed to present bad numbers for the SW series as fact.

half is about what most people say, maybe they are wrong, who knows. So, if Andor has half the viewers of the Mandalorian with 2.5 times the budget, is it a success?

I have actually seen as low as 2.1 million viewers for Andor and I think Mando got up to almost 9 million at one point in season 2. However, I do agree with you that all this data is certainly not easily available.

I read that season 1 of the Mandalorian had a budget of 100 million dollars, I have also read that Andor had a budget of 250 million dollars.

 

[jade1]

Hope they don't sell.

Even though I feel they course corrected back (or tried anyway) in TROS (from TLJ), I/We have been blessed with way more content than we would otherwise have had.

Really been enjoying this thread and it's opinions. Never thought about some of these, good fun IMO.

I do feel the conversation on being born more force sensitive than others is very interesting. It doesn't appear to be completely or at least clearly answered in the SW Universe-unless I missed it.

But it does seem that Disney clearly felt they needed to make Rey have Force lineage in TROS, after TLJ tried to show she didn't.

What other explanation is there?

 

[BrianL]

Hope they don't sell.

Even though I feel they course corrected back (or tried anyway) in TROS (from TLJ), I/We have been blessed with way more content than we would otherwise have had.

Really been enjoying this thread and it's opinions. Never thought about some of these, good fun IMO.

I do feel the conversation on being born more force sensitive than others is very interesting. It doesn't appear to be completely or at least clearly answered in the SW Universe-unless I missed it.

But it does seem that Disney clearly felt they needed to make Rey have Force lineage in TROS, after TLJ tried to show she didn't.

What other explanation is there?

It isn't well defined because The Force is a a magical MacGuffin used as a plot convenience. It works how it needs to work to serve the story.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Hope they don't sell.

Even though I feel they course corrected back (or tried anyway) in TROS (from TLJ), I/We have been blessed with way more content than we would otherwise have had.

Really been enjoying this thread and it's opinions. Never thought about some of these, good fun IMO.

I do feel the conversation on being born more force sensitive than others is very interesting. It doesn't appear to be completely or at least clearly answered in the SW Universe-unless I missed it.

But it does seem that Disney clearly felt they needed to make Rey have Force lineage in TROS, after TLJ tried to show she didn't.

What other explanation is there?

Leiaorgana said it previously, but I think JJ course corrected, because the fans were so ticked off. If you like TLJ or not, there is really no denying it had a very large and very vocal backlash. It got so bad that you literally had the director having twitter fights with people who didn't like TLJ, and he even called them "man babies". Disney saw this as significant enough to course correct after TLJ.

I personally believe Rey being the grand daughter of the one of the most powerful force users the galaxy had ever seen, makes her being so overpowered make much more sense. Rey is essentially the player in a Star Wars video game with all the cheat codes entered.

 

[jade1]

Leiaorgana said it previously, but I think JJ course corrected, because the fans were so ticked off. If you like TLJ or not, there is really no denying it had a very large and very vocal backlash. It got so bad that you literally had the director having twitter fights with people who didn't like TLJ, and he even called them "manbabies". Disney saw this as significant enough to course correct after TLJ.

I personally believe Rey being the grand daughter of the one of the most powerful force users the galaxy had ever seen, makes her being so overpowered make much more sense.

It isn't well defined because The Force is a a magical MacGuffin used as a plot convenience. It works how it needs to work to serve the story.

Which is exactly what they did IMO. Course corrected.

I mean let's face it, one of the most shocking moments in cinema history follows this from the OT.

 

[nancipants]

I need to give Andor a try. Many people I trust say it is really good, and it has a very large production budget so I bet it looks good visually.

It's a great show and combines stuff from so many different elements of Star Wars: Rogue One (obviously), the prequels, the OT, and even the Expanded Universe. I loved seeing more of Coruscant after the prequel era. That planet has always held a special place in my heart thanks to the Legends books, especially the original Thrawn Trilogy. The acting is the best in any Star Wars project. (Andy Serkis, in particular, is absolutely incredible in his small role.) I'm so glad they've brought back Genevieve O'Reilly to play Mon Mothma, which is a role that was SORELY underexplored in Star Wars lore, and she's utterly fantastic.

I know Andor wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and it took me a few episodes to figure out what the heck they were doing with this story, but it paid off big time. It also contained one of my favorite lines that encapsulated exactly how I feel as a parentt: "Tell him I love him more than anything he could ever do wrong."

(Brasso, forever!)

 

[DefnotDLav]

Back to the original question, I see no way in heck Disney sells Lucasfilm. It would be way too complicated to do, and would be somewhat like admitting that they mismanaged it (similar to the sell of power rangers years ago). The integration of Disney Star Wars movies stuff in the parks, suggest Disney will be owner of the Star Wars IP for a very long time. No matter what some talking heads on youtube think. I think Kamran Pasha means well, but just get's his "insider information" very wrong sometimes.

My hope is Disney gets their act together and figures out how to bridge the gap between the people who love the new stuff and the people who love the OT. I do fear that there are some OT fans that are so jaded at this point that they won't support anything until Kathleene Kennedy is gone.

I need to give Andor a try. Many people I trust say it is really good, and it has a very large production budget so I bet it looks good visually. I kind of checked out after Boba and Obi-Wan were not very good to my eye.

I did not like Boba or Obi-Wan and I loved Andor.

Didn't love the first episode, but once I got into it I never looked back. Give it 2 episodes and see how you like it.

 

[leiaorgana]

Not at all, just saying "read a book" is a complicated response. All the books? Just the ones written since Disney has owned it? Or just the ones approved and sanctioned for George Lucas himself? Do comic books count, because I have read some of them that tell completely different stories than what Disney is currently telling. There is a massive amount of literature out there about Star Wars.

I could be incorrect, but I put more stock into the rules and the lore of the galaxy as established by George Lucas himself.

Every book/comic/audiobook/game/animated series etc that has come out since 2013 is current canon and the only canon that matters now. Everything else that came before it is now Legends but sometimes things from Legends can be reinstated back into new canon like Thrawn if Disney chooses too.

And yes, the amount of content that’s out there now can be incredibly overwhelming for most people and even SW fans that are deeper into the lore than others can struggle to keep up with it all because there’s so much of it now but just reading the sequel trilogy era books (especially the novelisations of the films) and comics would definitely help people’s understanding of the films and characters motivations etc but I understand that the majority of viewers aren’t interested in having to look elsewhere for the full story.

The literary side of SW content really is just as important as what’s on screen in the Disney era. For example - Cobb Vanth from The Mandalorian and The Book Of Boba Fett was originally a character from the first Aftermath book who appeared in an interlude chapter that broke up the main story and was just a few pages long and it told the story of how he originally found Boba’s armour and now he’s crossed over into the Mandoverse and his character’s been incorporated into that storyline. Black Krrsantan was originally from the first line of the Marvel comics Disney started putting out set between A New Hope and TESB after acquiring Lucasfilm and he was a bounty hunting associate of Boba’s that ended up working with Doctor Aphra down the line (now there’s a character that needs her own Disney+ show) and so it made sense for him to appear in TBOBF when he did. The latest Star Wars game that came out in April? One of the main villains from that is a Jedi from The High Republic era who had been frozen in status in a bacta tank for 200+ years after being betrayed by the order (in his eyes) and immediately fell to the dark side as soon as he was awoken by Cal and found out the Empire had taken control of the galaxy. So yes, the book/comic stuff really does bleed over into the shows and other material being put out now.

 

[Leigh L]

I did not like Boba or Obi-Wan and I loved Andor.

Didn't love the first episode, but once I got into it I never looked back. Give it 2 episodes and see how you like it.

I did like Obi-Wan...Boba is on my "rewatch" list since I didn't love it (or hate it).

About Andor - 100% agree. After the first two episodes, Andor really began to take off. If I didn't love SW so much, I prob would have abandoned it based on those two first episodes.

 

[BrianL]

I did like Obi-Wan...Boba is on my "rewatch" list since I didn't love it (or hate it).

About Andor - 100% agree. After the first two episodes, Andor really began to take off. If I didn't love SW so much, I prob would have abandoned it based on those two first episodes.

Yeah, I thought Obi-Wan was great - I don't understand the hate at all. Boba I did like, but I can see where it might not be for everybody. Andor started a bit slow, but WOW did it get good!