Rumored Black Friday VGF2 Sales

[The Jackal]

Occupancy issues next to the busiest theme park in the world = terrible hotel operators. It also may signal too much divisiveness and lack of cohesion between divisions to not help leverage each other. Over pricing too with underwhelming facilities. I don't really know but that fact is both laughable and sad.

While the GF is nice, it cannot compete with new luxury hotels( none of Disney’s hotels can). The GF has a theme and new luxury does not fit in with it. I predict, I have no sources, that in the near future ( less than 5 years) a new luxury hotel will be built between the GF and the MK. This will be a 5 star hotel, no DVC. It will have access to the monorail and the new walk path to MK. Disney has spent too much money on the path and the roadway to not do something else.

 

[RoseGold]

I predict, I have no sources, that in the near future ( less than 5 years) a new luxury hotel will be built between the GF and the MK. This will be a 5 star hotel, no DVC. It will have access to the monorail and the new walk path to MK. Disney has spent too much money on the path and the roadway to not do something else.

This theory has been pitched for forever. Disney has never tried to compete with the Waldorf-level properties.

IMO, the Star Wars hotel is that hotel. That's how Disney plans to compete with super-luxury, by doing something Waldorf can't do. I guess I can imagine something in that spot -- or replacing the Contemporary convention space! -- but Star Wars will show what Disney thinks is possible.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

While the GF is nice, it cannot compete with new luxury hotels( none of Disney’s hotels can). The GF has a theme and new luxury does not fit in with it. I predict, I have no sources, that in the near future ( less than 5 years) a new luxury hotel will be built between the GF and the MK. This will be a 5 star hotel, no DVC. It will have access to the monorail and the new walk path to MK. Disney has spent too much money on the path and the roadway to not do something else.

I'd also say they won't do that. They just don't have the dedication nor interest. And really they'd be better off in upgrading the facilities at the current resorts. It wouldn't take a lot to do that vs build new. And in the end the location gives them an edge, just not quite the edge that it used to when there wasn't much else around and it was more of a "if we build it they will come".

 

[DonMacGregor]

Let's get serious. EVERYTHING at WDW exists for one singular purpose: to support the 4 theme parks. That's it, nothing else.

Hotels at WDW, regardless of their design intent, theming, rack rate, etc. exist to serve that same purpose. Regardless of whether it's Pop Century or Grand Floridian, Disney wants you to sleep there, then get back to spending in the theme parks. Yes, you'll get a nicer meal at some resorts, but they are a place to lay your head between theme park visits. They are not the destination, but merely an adjunct to it.

Now, DVC members can certainly utilize them for resort-only stays (which adds to the benefit of ownership), but let's not confuse what is still a swamp in Orlando with the Côte d'Azur, the Maldives, or the Amalfi Coast.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Let's get serious. EVERYTHING at WDW exists for one singular purpose: to support the 4 theme parks. That's it, nothing else.

Hotels at WDW, regardless of their design intent, theming, rack rate, etc. exist to serve that same purpose. Regardless of whether it's Pop Century or Grand Floridian, Disney wants you to sleep there, then get back to spending in the theme parks. Yes, you'll get a nicer meal at some resorts, but they are a place to lay your head between theme park visits. They are not the destination, but merely an adjunct to it.

Now, DVC members can certainly utilize them for resort-only stays (which adds to the benefit of ownership), but let's not confuse what is still a swamp in Orlando with the Côte d'Azur, the Maldives, or the Amalfi Coast.

That is certainly why they exist and nobody has stated otherwise although they are probably looked at more as ancillary income to Disney by the Parks operations themselves vs a requirement for Theme Park attendance. There are several simple ways and some other more investment intensive ways they could be filled if the view of them was different.

 

[DonMacGregor]

That is certainly why they exist and nobody has stated otherwise although they are probably looked at more as ancillary income to Disney by the Parks operations themselves vs a requirement for Theme Park attendance. There are several simple ways and some other more investment intensive ways they could be filled if the view of them was different.

Just responding to some of the "super luxury" and "Waldorf-Astoria" comments above.

 

[corpcomp]

IMO, the Star Wars hotel is that hotel. That's how Disney plans to compete with super-luxury, by doing something Waldorf can't do. I guess I can imagine something in that spot -- or replacing the Contemporary convention space! -- but Star Wars will show what Disney thinks is possible.
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The Star Wars hotel has 100 rooms. They are reserved for 2 days. Assuming on average that's three turnovers a week, So over the course of a year that's about 15,000+ groups a year. I can see it being fully occupied for 2-3 years BUT if the reviews are not stellar or its not considered the ultimate experience for the money, it will sink fast and the prices would have to be dropped. Of course nothing drops at Disney except guests bank accounts.

But if I read correctly, you only get one full day of immersion in the hotel and the 2nd day is in Hollywood Studios. Like many, I can afford it but just cannot justify it and I love Star Wars. Rather stay at the Beach Club or Boardwalk (my favorites) and chill after the parks.

 

[Stargazer65]

Boy this thread sure got derailed.
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