Rumor has it that Susan Atkins is dying

[JennyMominRI]

It was my impression that Jesus said that you are to forgive (up to seventy times seven) the person who's wronged you when they ask for forgiveness. I think the only people who Susan Atkins (if the news is true) can ask for forgiveness are Sharon Tate, the Polanski/Tate baby, Roman Polanski and any surviving Tate or Polanski family relatives.

It was a very sad time and a very scary time.

agnes!

And the families of the other 8 victims.

 

[Amy&Dan]

What would Jesus do?

Jesus would forgive her, so that's what I will do/have done.

Okay, interesting point.

If Susan Atkins has truly repented of her sins, and has accepted Jesus Christ as her savior, then she goes to heaven. At least that is the conventional Chrisitian wisdom held by many of the so called experts.

If a lot of her repentance is just for show, and she's truly not sorry, she's on the Hell Express (non stop flight).

Do you bring up Jesus to reason with us or mock us?

As I said earlier, she may end up being greeted by Jesus, Sharon Tate and her baby, where they will spend eternity in peace. Or she may end up in Hell.

As I understand it, Jesus does forgive and he does not condemn. However, there are some ground rules his followers must adhere to.

Me personally, I am not gnashing my teeth, getting all upset or full of rage. I am just saying, personally for me and my money, death is not something I am sorry she is about to experience.

If you think that someone only deserves your outrage if they hurt you, than I am afraid you weren't listening in Sunday School. I think its real amusing for you to tout yourself as Ghandi to a bunch of what you perceive as screaming lunatics, but in the end that sort of attitude is about as scary as what Susan Atkins did. 40 years ago I was 3. I can still be outraged that this was done and feel a sense of relief that some of the perpetrators are going onto their reward or condemnation. You can be cool as a cucumber or mad as all get out. But in the end, she'll be judged on her own, on her merits. The rest of us are just making commentary and expressing our views.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

But even the old testament said "Vengeance is the Lord's". I'm not an overly religious person, but there are some lessons taught by Christ that have stood me in good stead. Forgiveness is one of them.

People here are outraged and sickened reliving what happened over 40 years ago and there's much gnashing of teeth in speaking about how they're glad this person is dying in a painful way. And here I am. Calm, cool, collected, almost catatonically mellow, with no stomach pains or tenseness in the shoulders upon hearing of this news.

Susan Atkins has done nothing to me. She made a horrifying mistake 40 years ago and has been paying for it ever since. The victims have long since started their new lives elsewhere. The only person I'd be harming by getting all angry, vindictive or even vengefully glee-filled over her further misfortune is myself.

I have more respect for myself than to allow this peaceful easy feeling to ebb away over a blip on the screen that had nothing to do with my life 40 years ago and still has nothing to do with my life today.

I can change nothing in Susan's or her victim's lives. I can, however, impact my own life. I make the everyday choices that allow me to live in a serene state.

This is a really bizarre post, that's all I have to say.

I have no pity or sympathy for Atkins. Her crimes were beyond grotesque and heinous. She's shown no remorse for what she did. I'm against the death penalty, but I have no problem with her suffering a slow and painful death, maybe that is God's plan for her. She'll be burning in hell that's for sure

 

[Mkaz]

Okay, interesting point.


Me personally, I am not gnashing my teeth, getting all upset or full of rage. I am just saying, personally for me and my money, death is not something I am sorry she is about to experience.

If you think that someone only deserves your outrage if they hurt you, than I am afraid you weren't listening in Sunday School. You can be cool as a cucumber or mad as all get out. But in the end, she'll be judged on her own, on her merits. The rest of us are just making commentary and expressing our views.

I agree. Only your words sounded so much better than mine.

 

[Deb in IA]

Carly Roach,

I don't think you really understand this case.

You should read "Helter Skelter" by Vincent Bugliosi.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Okay, interesting point.

If Susan Atkins has truly repented of her sins, and has accepted Jesus Christ as her savior, then she goes to heaven. At least that is the conventional Chrisitian wisdom held by many of the so called experts.

If a lot of her repentance is just for show, and she's truly not sorry, she's on the Hell Express (non stop flight).

Do you bring up Jesus to reason with us or mock us?

As I said earlier, she may end up being greeted by Jesus, Sharon Tate and her baby, where they will spend eternity in peace. Or she may end up in Hell.

As I understand it, Jesus does forgive and he does not condemn. However, there are some ground rules his followers must adhere to.

Me personally, I am not gnashing my teeth, getting all upset or full of rage. I am just saying, personally for me and my money, death is not something I am sorry she is about to experience.

If you think that someone only deserves your outrage if they hurt you, than I am afraid you weren't listening in Sunday School. I think its real amusing for you to tout yourself as Ghandi to a bunch of what you perceive as screaming lunatics, but in the end that sort of attitude is about as scary as what Susan Atkins did. 40 years ago I was 3. I can still be outraged that this was done and feel a sense of relief that some of the perpetrators are going onto their reward or condemnation. You can be cool as a cucumber or mad as all get out. But in the end, she'll be judged on her own, on her merits. The rest of us are just making commentary and expressing our views.

Excellent post, and ITA.

 

[Amy&Dan]

I agree. Only your words sounded so much better than mine.

Excellent post, and ITA.

Thank you very much. I am sure the poster will come back and slam me albeit in a zen sort of way(deep breath in and deep breath out). However, I won't be around, I am off to have dinner with my family! I'll have to check back a bit later!

 

[ms1031]

People here are outraged and sickened reliving what happened over 40 years ago and there's much gnashing of teeth in speaking about how they're glad this person is dying in a painful way. And here I am. Calm, cool, collected, almost catatonically mellow, with no stomach pains or tenseness in the shoulders upon hearing of this news.

Susan Atkins has done nothing to me. She made a horrifying mistake 40 years ago and has been paying for it ever since. The victims have long since started their new lives elsewhere. The only person I'd be harming by getting all angry, vindictive or even vengefully glee-filled over her further misfortune is myself.

I have more respect for myself than to allow this peaceful easy feeling to ebb away over a blip on the screen that had nothing to do with my life 40 years ago and still has nothing to do with my life today.

With my best glee-filled voice I say, whoopy for you.

 

[Buckalew11]

So, she shows no remorse but says she has made right with God? What is up with that? You can't have it both ways.

I am just thankful that even though the outrage has died down in the case as time has passed by that she will stand before God as her judge who has not forgotten this case over time. He is the same now as He was then as He was in the beginning. He'll judge fairly and justly. I have complete faith in that.

 

[Lowillian]

I think one of the scariest movies ever is the original Helter Skelter. The cinematic point of view and the people in were really good. The first time I watched, hell, now when I watch it just freaks me out.

You know what freaked me out about this movie? The actor who played Charles Manson had really scary eyes, especially when they would freeze on his face and he was giving that evil looked. I couldn't watch it alone - he looked like satan.

 

[gladstoneganderfan]

Growing up, I remember seeing on the news, folks outside prisons celebrating when someone was being executed (example-Ted Bundy). I could never get my head around why they would celebrate someone's death. But, last year,in my city, a crack head took his 4 children, ages 10 months to 4 years, and threw them off of the Dauphin Island Bridge. This is a major highway bridge over a large body of water.

Now I get it. I'm with the OP.

 

[JennyMominRI]

You know what freaked me out about this movie? The actor who played Charles Manson had really scary eyes, especially when they would freeze on his face and he was giving that evil looked. I couldn't watch it alone - he looked like satan.

Steve Railsbeck... My spelling might be off...He's awesome..
He was also "Duane Barry" on the X Files.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Growing up, I remember seeing on the news, folks outside prisons celebrating when someone was being executed (example-Ted Bundy). I could never get my head around why they would celebrate someone's death. But, last year, a crack head took his 4 children, ages 10 months to 4 years, and threw them off of the Dauphin Island Bridge. This is a major highway bridge over a large body of water.

Now I get it. I'm with the OP.

I don't really agree with that either..LIke I said, I think the state should carry itself better than a murderer.. I don't think it's the states place to execute(There are other reasons I'm anti-DP)..NO human being is physically harming her..She will be treated humanely by doctors who took a oath.. This is happening to her naturally.

 

[alizesmom]

Your opinions and feelings are neither right nor wrong, they are what they are. Whether I agree or not isn't important. Susan Atkins did something horrible and will have to answer for that. We each will have to answer for our wrongdoings as well. I don't know if there is a point system in the afterworld. All I know is that no one can make it without salvation. I believe mine lies in the atoning death of Jesus Christ and that if Susan Atkins truly accepted that gift she will also be saved. Many of you have different beliefs and I am not here to argue which of us is right. I am just trying to explain why I don't feel the need to wish Ms Atkins any pain. I remember the event clearly and the fear and horror it caused. There have been way too many such events and similar criminals and victims. This one is just more well known because of location and the identity of the victims.

 

[lovemygoofy]

You know what freaked me out about this movie? The actor who played Charles Manson had really scary eyes, especially when they would freeze on his face and he was giving that evil looked. I couldn't watch it alone - he looked like satan.

OMG everytime they would freeze on his eyes and he's staring into the camera, I wanted to cry. I kept going he's looking at me, he's looking at me. Mind you I was in my 20s

 

[Planogirl]

I don't believe Susan is remorseful ..The only one I thik shows real remorse is Patricia Krenwekle .

This case has been a bit of a obsession of mine for many years.

Actually I thought that Leslie Van Houten was the remorseful one. Plus she didn't actually kill anyone so I'm a little surprised that she hasn't been released.

Susan Atkins is a mess.

 

[bigmerle1966]

Okay, interesting point.

If Susan Atkins has truly repented of her sins, and has accepted Jesus Christ as her savior, then she goes to heaven. At least that is the conventional Chrisitian wisdom held by many of the so called experts.

If a lot of her repentance is just for show, and she's truly not sorry, she's on the Hell Express (non stop flight).

Do you bring up Jesus to reason with us or mock us?

As I said earlier, she may end up being greeted by Jesus, Sharon Tate and her baby, where they will spend eternity in peace. Or she may end up in Hell.

As I understand it, Jesus does forgive and he does not condemn. However, there are some ground rules his followers must adhere to.

Me personally, I am not gnashing my teeth, getting all upset or full of rage. I am just saying, personally for me and my money, death is not something I am sorry she is about to experience.

If you think that someone only deserves your outrage if they hurt you, than I am afraid you weren't listening in Sunday School. I think its real amusing for you to tout yourself as Ghandi to a bunch of what you perceive as screaming lunatics, but in the end that sort of attitude is about as scary as what Susan Atkins did. 40 years ago I was 3. I can still be outraged that this was done and feel a sense of relief that some of the perpetrators are going onto their reward or condemnation. You can be cool as a cucumber or mad as all get out. But in the end, she'll be judged on her own, on her merits. The rest of us are just making commentary and expressing our views.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Actually I thought that Leslie Van Houten was the remorseful one. Plus she didn't actually kill anyone so I'm a little surprised that she hasn't been released.

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I'm pretty sure that the evidence shows that she stabbed Rosemary while she was still alive... Leslie denies that, which is not very remorseful to me.

Patricia has take responsibility for everything she did ad views herself as a "destroyer of lives"

 

[Planogirl]

I'm pretty sure that the evidence shows that she stabbed Rosemary while she was still alive... Leslie denies that, which is not very remorseful to me.

Patricia has take responsibility for everything she did ad views herself as a "destroyer of lives"

I could be forgetting the events that I read about but I thought that Van Houten held her down while Krenwinkle stabbed her and that Bugliosi felt that was truthful. It's still despicable of course but this whole case was weird.

For example, Manson was found guilty of killing these people but actually had others do it for him the argument being that he basically brainwashed them. But then the so-called brainwashed people were completely responsible too.

I always wonder how this would play out in today's courts.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I could be forgetting the events that I read about but I thought that Van Houten held her down while Krenwinkle stabbed her and that Bugliosi felt that was truthful. It's still despicable of course but this whole case was weird.

For example, Manson was found guilty of killing these people but actually had others do it for him the argument being that he basically brainwashed them. But then the so-called brainwashed people were completely responsible too.

I always wonder how this would play out in today's courts.

well to an extent isn't that happening now with the polygamist people in TX? They may not have killed anyone but couldn't they say in their defense they had been brainwashed allowing the men to be with the young girls and the adult women allowing it and whatever happened to the young men? Isn't it brainwashing?