Rumor by agent - Blue Card min. going up

[Novatrix]

Add Dagobah-themed DVC "huts" adjacent to the Galactic Starcruiser hotel (only 1000 points/night).

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Don't forget, the 5 Yoda Tower Studios at 30 points per a night that they will use to actually sell the resort. People will need to walk those from here to eternity.

 

[RoseGold]

Don't forget, the 5 Yoda Tower Studios at 30 points per a night that they will use to actually sell the resort. People will need to walk those from here to eternity.

Long walk, good value this booking was.

 

[Prince John Robin Hood]

Add Dagobah-themed DVC "huts" adjacent to the Galactic Starcruiser hotel (only 1000 points/night).

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Nah go with Ewok treehouse style huts.

Don't forget, the 5 Yoda Tower Studios at 30 points per a night that they will use to actually sell the resort. People will need to walk those from here to eternity.

All of a sudden I'm thinking 500 points direct is more than reasonable

 

[dvc lover 1970]

I think the 100 point minimum has helped direct sales. If I were a new buyer today I would probably buy my first 100 at RR why because we like BW area and also for the AP perk -that is the only one we use. If CCV and RR were the same price I would pick CCV for the lower point value and better resale value imo. I do think RR is going to be nightmare to book in the future with resale restrictions.
I think 125 points will still sway direct buyers, up to 130 points, after that I think many will pause before pulling the direct lever.

 

[Royal Consort]

If CCV and RR were the same price I would pick CCV for the lower point value and better resale value imo. I do think RR is going to be nightmare to book in the future with resale restrictions.

This thinking has often puzzled me. CCV studios are a nightmare NOW and that's never going to change over the life of the property! The only way I would buy CCV is a fixed week, and even then I would have to be convinced I would use this fixed week for the most part.

 

[sethschroeder]

This thinking has often puzzled me. CCV studios are a nightmare NOW and that's never going to change over the life of the property! The only way I would buy CCV is a fixed week, and even then I would have to be convinced I would use this fixed week for the most part.

Difference is over time people will be trained to book different things. With Riviera there is zero ability except to book at Riviera for the resale contracts.

You will get some people who book at 11 months at CCV and then move as well letting wait lists come through.

 

[Where'sPiglet?]

I'm really disappointed in the Disneyland tower, which I had planned to get my Blue Card with.

What is disappointing about it to you? I really like the overall look in the renderings, but I'm bummed that there are very few balconies.

On a more practical level, the ratio of studios to 1- and 2-bedrooms is really skewed from what I would expect from a new build. I think they're assuming people will be fine in studios for short trips, which are more common at Disneyland than Disney World. However, the studios having a maximum capacity of 4 with only 2 sleep surfaces is limiting for so many families! It rules out families of 5 as well as many families of 4 who would want the 3rd sleep surface because their children are not comfortable sleeping together.

 

[CastAStone]

This thinking has often puzzled me. CCV studios are a nightmare NOW and that's never going to change over the life of the property! The only way I would buy CCV is a fixed week, and even then I would have to be convinced I would use this fixed week for the most part.

Not everyone wants to stay in a studio

 

[Lorana]

What is disappointing about it to you? I really like the overall look in the renderings, but I'm bummed that there are very few balconies.

On a more practical level, the ratio of studios to 1- and 2-bedrooms is really skewed from what I would expect from a new build. I think they're assuming people will be fine in studios for short trips, which are more common at Disneyland than Disney World. However, the studios having a maximum capacity of 4 with only 2 sleep surfaces is limiting for so many families! It rules out families of 5 as well as many families of 4 who would want the 3rd sleep surface because their children are not comfortable sleeping together.

This right here. I prefer the 1 BR, which there are few of. I'd be fine with a Studio, if it slept 5. The lack of the third sleeping space in the studios and the lack of 1/2 BRs has made me seriously reconsider buying the DVC Tower.

But to be honest, I really want VGC, but I suspect there will never be a small enough contract at a price I'm willing to pay that isn't snatched up before I see it. ;-)

 

[limace]

I agree with you. I own at VGC and would love a DLH contract as well, but we will rarely do studios. I have three kids, my adult daughter would be PISSED if we didn’t include her and usually her boyfriend and maybe his daughter and maybe a friend for the other two....

 

[LTJoeFlo]

Disney is obviously trying to push out the resale crowd. It is going to take a long time but it will eventually get there. To keep DVC going, the resorts will have to get progressively more expensive. We have already seen this. Now they are preventing resale from staying at future resorts. Also, to protect the perceived value of buying direct. With each new resort, the value of buying resale declines.

If I was "Team White-Card," I would want the minimum direct purchase to go up as much as possible. 100 points never made sense to me. It isn't enough to stay a week in nearly any studio. Especially, the new resorts!!! So those direct purchasers at Riviera will use their points to stay at legacy resorts, making it harder for the resale group.

 

[RoseGold]

What is disappointing about it to you? I really like the overall look in the renderings, but I'm bummed that there are very few balconies.

I don't stay in studios, and I REALLY don't stay in pod studios, so it's not right for me. I get that it's in a neighborhood, but the no balconies thing was disappointing.

 

[sethschroeder]

Disney is obviously trying to push out the resale crowd. It is going to take a long time but it will eventually get there. To keep DVC going, the resorts will have to get progressively more expensive. We have already seen this. Now they are preventing resale from staying at future resorts. Also, to protect the perceived value of buying direct. With each new resort, the value of buying resale declines.

If I was "Team White-Card," I would want the minimum direct purchase to go up as much as possible. 100 points never made sense to me. It isn't enough to stay a week in nearly any studio. Especially, the new resorts!!! So those direct purchasers at Riviera will use their points to stay at legacy resorts, making it harder for the resale group.

People with RIV points likely will just bank and borrow to get upwards of 300 points for a stay.

In addition long term resale will always be around because people will sell. They need a healthy resale market to avoid an issue where there is too much excess resale on the market. People will either a) buy resale because its so inexpensive or b) Disney will buy back and sit on inventory of sold out resorts (especially bad as we get closer to 2042 and they can't make nearly as much marking them up)

Its a balancing act in the end. The goal is to get anyone who would never buy direct to buy all the resale and anyone who possibly might buy direct to not value resale and just stay direct.

 

[LTJoeFlo]

People with RIV points likely will just bank and borrow to get upwards of 300 points for a stay.

In addition long term resale will always be around because people will sell. They need a healthy resale market to avoid an issue where there is too much excess resale on the market. People will either a) buy resale because its so inexpensive or b) Disney will buy back and sit on inventory of sold out resorts (especially bad as we get closer to 2042 and they can't make nearly as much marking them up)

Its a balancing act in the end. The goal is to get anyone who would never buy direct to buy all the resale and anyone who possibly might buy direct to not value resale and just stay direct.

If you only go to Disney every 3 years, don't buy DVC. That is a very poor financial decision and I don't think that person fits within the targeted demographic for sales.

Using the term "inexpensive" is also relative. People will always sell contracts, but there is no guarantee on what those resale prices will be. As contracts get close to expiring, their price will go down. Future contract extensions will most likely include resale restrictions similar to those of Riviera. I would not be surprised if Disney began offering extensions within the next few years. Especially since there are no new WDW hotels in the near future. If all of a sudden Riviera, DLH, Boardwalk, Beach Club, and Boulder Ridge had resale restrictions, would resale still be inexpensive? No business likes to compete with itself. DVC has the power to control the market but the changes will be gradual.

 

[Royal Consort]

Disney is obviously trying to push out the resale crowd. It is going to take a long time but it will eventually get there. To keep DVC going, the resorts will have to get progressively more expensive. We have already seen this. Now they are preventing resale from staying at future resorts. Also, to protect the perceived value of buying direct. With each new resort, the value of buying resale declines.

Maybe its because I'm newer to DVC but I've been buying contracts at the resorts I want to stay at with no intention on trading out. I bought VGF recently and these will only ever be used there. I think the future of DVC will require you to buy where you want to stay with trading out being increasingly more difficult for a range of various reasons over the next 20 years. At least that's been my philosophy buying in in the first place.

 

[sethschroeder]

If you only go to Disney every 3 years, don't buy DVC.

Except you have other resale contracts just the one at RIV is direct. Someone said people are forced to then use the RIV points elsewhere.... They are not use the 200 points you have from resale for the other 2 years banking/borrowing from year 3 when you stay at RIV.

 

[sethschroeder]

I would not be surprised if Disney began offering extensions within the next few years.

It's been talked about multiple times there is really no way they extend the contracts. They want new point charts in 2042 not the old point charts.

Especially since there are no new WDW hotels in the near future.

We are talking about another 4 years likely before they really need to worry about that. They could flip to OKW as a primary resort in the interim moving contracts out to the new expiration.

They could also flip rooms at CBR or another moderate in to a new DVC as well. Possibly even revisiting WL to complete the conversion to DVC.

 

[CastAStone]

For what it's worth I think trading out will become easier over the next couple years as renting points becomes less of a bargain.

I also think it will be at least 2028 before the trajectory of 2042 resort resale prices diverges from the trajectory of the other resorts by more than 20%. If we're sitting here in 2030 and you can buy 12 years at BRV for $75 that will likely still be a great deal compared to WL cash prices.

 

[sethschroeder]

If all of a sudden Riviera, DLH, Boardwalk, Beach Club, and Boulder Ridge had resale restrictions, would resale still be inexpensive? No business likes to compete with itself. DVC has the power to control the market but the changes will be gradual.

They can't control the market though. Resale does not sit on the market forever and only 1 or 2 resorts has a mile long wait list.

If resale sits then prices will drop and Disney can not flip every contract unless they lower direct which then hurts new higher priced resorts.

We could see them settle in though after RIV sells out being content at WDW to flip sold out resorts with lower prices on direct and terrible benefits on resale to push them down towards less valueable.

 

[CastAStone]

It's been talked about multiple times there is really no way they extend the contracts. They want new point charts in 2042 not the old point charts.

They could always sell a bundle - Buy the remaining 10 years at BCV and Buy 50 years of BCV 2.0 for the low low price of one bazillion dollars