Rude South Americans

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You are using a strawman argument whenever you try to say this. It doesn't matter if they are a race or a nationality, it's a group of people being singled out and generalized about.

What race exactly are all of these posts about? Can you tell me? Really I am curious to know. Obviously you are reading into these comments way too much.

Racism- 1. A belief that a race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Racial prejudice or discrimination.

I thought I would share the definition that way you would know exactly what it means.

No body on here is discriminating or being prejudice of a race of people. We are clearly stating facts about a group of tourists' actions.

I often wonder why race is an issue. When I hear people pull the race card, I really think they are the ones that are racist.
 
Just because one person in a group is in front of you in line, that does not give the right to have all 50 to 75 of her or his friends or relatives the right to cut in front of you and join them. I do not care what country they are from, what group they are with or what color shirt they are wearing. They are behaving in a rude and unacceptable manner! If you are yelling, screaming, singing and chanting to the point that it is disruptive and disturbing to the vast majority of people around you who is not with your "group" then it is rude & ignorant no matter where you are from, what group you are with, how old you are or what color shirt you are wearing. They are behaving in an unacceptable manner and if they cannot behave themselves, they should be asked to leave the parks and resorts
 
You are using a strawman argument whenever you try to say this. It doesn't matter if they are a race or a nationality, it's a group of people being singled out and generalized about.

The Title of my Forum subject is RUDE SOUTH AMERICANS
Might I mention everyone one of the UGLY neon shirts being worn had Brazille and the sponsor on them
now be gone before someone drops a house on you too
 
Just because one person in a group is in front of you in line, that does not give the right to have all 50 to 75 of her or his friends or relatives the right to cut in front of you and join them. I do not care what country they are from, what group they are with or what color shirt they are wearing. They are behaving in a rude and unacceptable manner! If you are yelling, screaming, singing and chanting to the point that it is disruptive and disturbing to the vast majority of people around you who is not with your "group" then it is rude & ignorant no matter where you are from, what group you are with, how old you are or what color shirt you are wearing. They are behaving in an unacceptable manner and if they cannot behave themselves, they should be asked to leave the parks and resorts

Let me express they where running out of epcot holding hands creating a chain and it was moving back and forth left to right . Not walking RUNNING

BTW another forum same issue
http: //forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/brazil-tour-groups.609253/ back from 2010 and they also said a fight ensued, Sounds liek Disney has a major issue on there hands here
 

What race exactly are all of these posts about? Can you tell me? Really I am curious to know. Obviously you are reading into these comments way too much.

Racism- 1. A belief that a race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
2. Racial prejudice or discrimination.

I thought I would share the definition that way you would know exactly what it means.

No body on here is discriminating or being prejudice of a race of people. We are clearly stating facts about a group of tourists' actions.

I often wonder why race is an issue. When I hear people pull the race card, I really think they are the ones that are racist.

OP targeted Brazilians, which are from South American, part of the Hispanic culture. By doing that he's also implicating those from Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico who also come as groups to WDW. Just because OP specifically mentions a country doesn't make it any less racist.
 
OP targeted Brazilians, which are from South American, part of the Hispanic culture. By doing that he's also implicating those from Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico who also come as groups to WDW. Just because OP specifically mentions a country doesn't make it any less racist.
LUGNUT DONT CARE ...your reverse racism baiting is not working be gone
 
I don't think this is really about race, it's just about where the people came from and the fact that they were not following the proper etiquette of where they were visiting. I don't agree with how they acted, but as far as the lining up for things, a lot of other countries do not line up one after another based off who got there first. I have learned this from traveling. It is often the "funnel " system.... you just move up and go where there is space. Doesn't matter if someone was there before you. I know it's a hard concept to grasp since it seems to make more sense to wait behind the person that got there before you.....but that's just not how a lot of countries work. I was shocked when I went traveling and learned about the "funnel" system, so just wanted to post and inform others... so before assuming someone from another country is rude because of the way they line up...please realize it's just how they were raised and they are most likely not trying to be jerk.

I have no problem with the way they line up as long as they know that pushing, cutting and working hard to sneak in front of me, 2, 3 at a time is not they way "we" line up here in Disney . They can feel free to cut, push and funnel back home, but their chaperones should make it clear that it is unacceptable when visiting in this country and at these parks :goodvibes
 
Ok peeps. Lets calm down!!

I have seen this groups too when we have been. I haven't been trampled on. I have seen the largeness of these groups though and it can be overwhelming. I mostly run into them at shows like Fantasmic. I seen some of them chanting back and forth have fun before the show began. And some of them were more boisterous than others. It is a culture thing probably and maybe overjoyed to be at WDW too that adds to it :confused3 They started a wave there too whic I didn't think it was that bad. But its just me and my wife, if you have kids that it affects then maybe it is different.

But if this is becoming a problem, getting trampled on, does Disney need to break these groups into smaller ones, make them have more guides, that way there are not 30 of them coming at you? Or do they already? How big are these groups overall anyways? I have just seen the massive groups at the shows mostly.

But for those that go to the parks more than I and see this. If there is even complaining about it to Disney, it might get there attention to try to do something. I dunno.
 
OP targeted Brazilians, which are from South American, part of the Hispanic culture. By doing that he's also implicating those from Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico who also come as groups to WDW. Just because OP specifically mentions a country doesn't make it any less racist.

Well with that I will just say.......I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Your argument is invalid.
 
But for those that go to the parks more than I and see this. If there is even complaining about it to Disney, it might get there attention to try to do something. I dunno.

OP, I think Disney needs to hear, loud and clear, what happened. And how it will effect your choice of when and where to travel in the future.

or email wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

or send a letter to:
Walt Disney World Guest Communications
Executive Offices
Post Office Box 10040
Lake Buena Vista, Florida 32830-0040

I think that perhaps, if everyone effected by mob behavior in WDW did the same thing, they might find a way to better deal with it.
 
Lets put it this way I can bet you would never see a pack of Americans 40 or more going over to another country and doing this ..

Sadly, yes you might. I have seen large groups of American tourists in Europe behave in much the same way - loud, entitled, and ignorant of the locals, pushing and shoving anyone who dared get in their way. No culture is immune to unpleasant people.
 
Considering that the majority of these tour groups are Caucasian, Perhaps jingoist but not racist it is also true that these groups are made up of the 1% of Brazilian society so to them we are campesino's to be trampled or swept aside.

And yes DW and I were nearly trampled by one but college experience as a press photographer allowed me to survive in crowd with a few well placed sharp elbows.


Yes, your thread is racist.
 
They are not just the upper 1% of Brazilian society.

And as for I'mdisneydreaming, good job on an ad hominem attack. Sorry, you can't just lump a group of people together from a country, call them names, and then say it's not racist. It doesn't work that way.
 
They are not just the upper 1% of Brazilian society.

And as for I'mdisneydreaming, good job on an ad hominem attack. Sorry, you can't just lump a group of people together from a country, call them names, and then say it's not racist. It doesn't work that way.

Well for one, I'm not the only person that had bad experience with large groups at WDW. Second, I NEVER called anyone names. I think you need to reread these statements.
 
We don't even consider going in January, February, and July anymore from the under-chaperoned tour groups at those times.
 
OP targeted Brazilians, which are from South American, part of the Hispanic culture. By doing that he's also implicating those from Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico who also come as groups to WDW. Just because OP specifically mentions a country doesn't make it any less racist.

OP also caveated the statement by identifying the group as those rich enough to afford a trip to WDW, the 1%. So it could also be argued that this was not a discussion based on what you falsely identify as racism, but rather an indictment of elitism as portrayed by the members of large group.

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
 
OP also caveated the statement by identifying the group as those rich enough to afford a trip to WDW, the 1%. So it could also be argued that this was not a discussion based on what you falsely identify as racism, but rather an indictment of elitism as portrayed by the members of large group.

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Yep. That's what it is.
 
Don't bet on Disney outlawing BTGs

Orlando (CNN) -- "** -- Sejam bem-vindos!" -- meaning "Hi, welcome!" -- is a Portuguese phrase heard more and more these days at Florida's tourist spots.

That's because Florida is the top U.S. vacation destination for Brazilians, who are taking advantage of a favorable exchange rate and low prices. Brazilians outnumbered all other international travelers to Florida in 2011, up 41% from the previous year, according to state tourism officials.

And there's no sign of this Brazilian invasion slowing down: The U.S. Commerce Department projects 1.5 million Brazilians will visit the United States in 2012 -- and most of them will head to Florida.

Floridians are used to seeing Brazilian tour groups marching through outlet malls and theme parks, usually dressed in matching T-shirts in single-file lines behind their leader. These Brazilian tourists are usually loaded with cash and ready to clear the shelves of the name-brand outlets. That's because even at regular price, many goods and services in the United States are much cheaper than in Brazil, where tariffs, taxes and transportation costs can mean higher prices.

"We [took] about 15,000 passengers on shopping tours, and they on average spend about $300 to $400 each person," said Claudia Menezes, vice president of Pegasus Transportation. And those were just the Brazilian tour groups visiting outlet malls and theme parks in South Florida and Orlando.

Menezes says she expects her business to double in 2012. That could be a conservative estimate as the United States plans to expand its global entry program, which aims to speed up the visa approval process for international visitors.

President Obama announced the expansion of the plan last week at a news conference at Disney World in Orlando, Florida. He said he hopes to make it easier for visitors from countries "with rapidly growing economies, huge populations and emerging middle classes" like Brazil and China to visit the United States. He said he wants the plan expanded "this year."

He said Brazil was "especially important for Florida" because it has "a huge population that loves to come to Florida ... but we make it too hard for them."

"We want them spending money here, in Orlando, in Florida in the United States of America, which will boost our businesses and our economy," he said.

It's a long process for many Brazilians to get to the United States: On average, people have to wait 76 days just to get an interview at the largest U.S. consulate in Brazil, in Sao Paulo. And with only four U.S. consular offices in a country that is bigger than the continental United States, a lot of Brazilians trying to visit the U.S. must travel long distances for their interview. As a result, many are opting to travel to Europe because the visa process is easier.

Menezes says her tour business depends on the United States improving its visa process:

"If they make it easier, it would be even more people coming here," she said.

On a recent afternoon at the Orlando Premium Outlets near Disney World, one of the hottest-selling items among the Brazilian tourists is luggage. They buy the suitcases, then stuff them with recently purchased shoes, clothing, bags and electronics until the luggage is almost bursting at the seams.

That kind of spending has translated into billions of dollars in revenue for the United States. In 2010, Brazilian visitors spent nearly $6 billion on U.S. travel and tourism-related goods and services, nearly 30% more than the prior year, according to a report from the U.S. Commerce Department. It's a trend that has been going on since 2003 and has, according to the report, "propelled Brazil up the rankings to become the fifth largest international market for U.S. travel and tourism-related exports."

Florida's retailers aren't the only ones getting an economic boost: Many of Central Florida's numerous theme parks have also seen a large increase in Brazilian tourists. Disney World says 2011 was a record-breaking year for Brazilian guests at its parks.

As a result, Disney hired 54 Portuguese-speaking "Super Greeters," most of them from Brazil, to assist Brazilian tour groups throughout Disney's parks.

SeaWorld Orlando has seen a steady increase in guests from Brazil over the past five years, says Peter Frey, senior marketing officer with SeaWorld Parks.

As a result, SeaWorld recently launched a website in Portuguese, and Frey says the company is looking to expand its Portuguese-speaking employees.

"We are offering classes for employees to learn the basics of Portuguese," he said.

Brazil's economy is booming after a quick recovery from the global economic downturn, and a new class of Brazilians is traveling and spending money, giving Florida a much-needed economic shot in the arm, according to Sean Snaith, an economics expert at the University of Central Florida.

"There is an emerging middle class [in Brazil] who has disposable income," he said.

Only a few years ago, Brazilian tourists were not always welcomed by shop owners in Central and South Florida, a tour guide said. Today, businesses are catering to these cash-laden Brazilian tourists.

Brazilians are also investing in Florida's sagging real estate market, particularly in South Florida, either for a vacation home or just as an investment. The prices in Miami are a bargain, compared with the prices in Brazil, according to Miami Realtor Cristiano Piquet.

"In Brazil or Rio, high-end real estate is around $1,000 per square foot, while in Miami, you can find high-end oceanfront property, like the Trump Towers, for only $500 per square foot," said Piquet, who gets 80% of his business from Brazilians. He has 75 agents.

"Brazilians love Miami, the weather is similar to Brazil, [it's] very safe ... [and there are] daily flights from Brazil to Miami," he said.

Diego Gasques from Rio de Janeiro, who owns two condominiums in Miami, agrees.

"It's kind of a vacation place for us," he said. "Of course Miami is a beautiful place, a lot of nice people around -- a lot of bodies ... it's a nice place to hang out to have some fun."

While Spanish is still the most popular second language in most South Florida businesses, these days it's becoming more common to hear, "Obrigada e volte sempre!" -- Portuguese for " Thank you, come again!"
 
OP also caveated the statement by identifying the group as those rich enough to afford a trip to WDW, the 1%. So it could also be argued that this was not a discussion based on what you falsely identify as racism, but rather an indictment of elitism as portrayed by the members of large group.

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

And I can also tell you, as I already did, those groups are not just made up of kids from the upper 1%. For many of those kids this trip is the only time they can afford to come to the US. And it's something their parents have saved for for a long time.
 
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