Rude South Americans

[DizCaptain]

OP also caveated the statement by identifying the group as those rich enough to afford a trip to WDW, the 1%. So it could also be argued that this was not a discussion based on what you falsely identify as racism, but rather an indictment of elitism as portrayed by the members of large group.

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

Winner winner, chicken dinner. True or not about being the 1% wealthiest, the behavior some of these large tour groups (sans country of origin) display, is often elitist.

 

[MET270]

OP targeted Brazilians, which are from South American, part of the Hispanic culture. By doing that he's also implicating those from Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico who also come as groups to WDW. Just because OP specifically mentions a country doesn't make it any less racist.

That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have read on these boards. The OP told us about a bad experience he had where his daughter was trampled by a large group of people from Brazil. There was nothing racial about it, then out of no where you pull the race card?? I think you are starved for attention and this was your way of getting it. Grow up, not every disagreement is racism.

 

[funkdot]

They are not just the upper 1% of Brazilian society.

And as for I'mdisneydreaming, good job on an ad hominem attack. Sorry, you can't just lump a group of people together from a country, call them names, and then say it's not racist. It doesn't work that way.

It's because it's not racist, it's xenophobic. Brazilians aren't a race. Hating or fearing their culture is xenophobia.

You're getting all pissy because you don't know what words mean. And saying things like straw-man and ad hominem just means you know how to use google to find the 'list of fallacious arguments' infographic. You're not impressing anybody.

 

[lugnut33]

That is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have read on these boards. The OP told us about a bad experience he had where his daughter was trampled by a large group of people from Brazil. There was nothing racial about it, then out of no where you pull the race card?? I think you are starved for attention and this was your way of getting it. Grow up, not every disagreement is racism.

I never pointed out his daughter getting trampled was racist, it was the rest of what he said about Brazilians.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I don't believe anyone here said anything like they hate Brazilians.

All that was said is they hate them being rude and pushy!

AKK

 

[MET270]

I never pointed out his daughter getting trampled was racist, it was the rest of what he said about Brazilians.

So you're saying the Brazilians were racist for trampling his daughter.

 

[lugnut33]

I don't believe anyone here said anything like they hate Brazilians.

All that was said is they hate them being rude and pushy!

AKK

That was not all that was said. Go back and read it, "animals".

 

[MET270]

That was not all that was said. Go back and read it, "animals".

The animals were racist??

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

The animals were racist??

They were acting like animals. What kind of a person knocks a little girl down then attacks her dad for trying to pick her up. Horrible.

 

[derricksonb]

And I can also tell you, as I already did, those groups are not just made up of kids from the upper 1%. For many of those kids this trip is the only time they can afford to come to the US. And it's something their parents have saved for for a long time.

Ohhhhhh, I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood your statement. This may be their one and only trip to the United States.... That DOES excuse their behavior?

 

[lugnut33]

Ohhhhhh, I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood your statement. This may be their one and only trip to the United States.... That DOES excuse their behavior?

No, but it also doesn't excuse the OP from calling them "animals" and "RUDE SOBs".

 

[MET270]

They were acting like animals. What kind of a person knocks a little girl down then attacks her dad for trying to pick her up. Horrible.

I agree with you and the OP 100%. I was just making a point that just because lugnut33 posts racism after everything someone posts doesn't make it racist.

 

[derricksonb]

First and foremost I'm sorry that the daughter of the OP was involved in this incident and I hope she recovers and is not traumatized by the experience.

MY family has experienced similar "running of the bulls" type behavior from multiple tour groups during several of our trips to WDW. The first time was truly horrifying as DW was 7 months pregnant at the time with our first child. Luckily only her arm was hit as she tried her best to move out of their way. The second time DW and DD1, who was in a stroller at the time, were able to escape unscathed while I ended up in the middle of the stampede being bounced from runner to runner like the disk in a game of Plinko. Now I'm not a HUGE guy by any means (6'0 225 lbs), but I'm smart enough to know Newton's three basic laws of physics and how to apply them to real life. So the third time this happened (like the OPs incident, this also happened to be at EPCOT) a group of about 40-50 Brazilian teenagers (identified by their bright shirts) took off in a mad sprint towards the rear entrance/exit near Great Britain where DW, DD4, DS1 and I were entering the park. Now, in addition to knowing basic physics, I've also watched enough NASCAR races at Daytona and Talladega to understand the theories of "pack racing" and that a wreck in the front of the pack will result in half of the field getting caught up in "The Big Wreck." So after DW, DD and DS were out of the way I started moving directly towards the front of the pack who quickly learned Newtons Second law of Motion (F=MA). The first one bounced off of me like a Chiclet, coming to rest on the ground where he became a human speed bump for most of the rest of the pack who ended up tripping over him and landing face first on the hot, hot Florida concrete. I was confronted by their tour leader and accused of starting a fight. A Cast Member near the rear gate saw what happened and how my family was in harms way, asked if I was alright and promptly escorted the group and its leader out of the park. Not sure what happened after that but we did not see that group again for the rest of the week.

This type of rude and dangerous behavior would never be allowed or permitted in any American city and it surely would not be tolerated by the local officials in any foreign country, so why then do individuals and groups from all over the world (including the United States) believe that it will be permitted or tolerated at WDW? I attribute much of this behavior to the fact that Americans are being desensitized and taught to be non-confrontational. We no longer allow our kids to keep score when playing sports, no child left behind, no religion in schools or government buildings and we have to be accepting of every other nation and religion's beliefs and customs even if they do not recognize our own. I love WDW and visit there 2-3 weeks every year. If the tour leaders, Cast Members or Disney leadership will not establish or enforce rules that keep these large groups in check then I assert that it is the responsibility of other visitors to make sure that they adhere to the rules (both written and implied), social conventions and common decency that we expect in order to maintain a safe, peaceful and enjoyable environment for ourselves and our families.

 

[ImDisneyDreaming]

I agree with you and the OP 100%. I was just making a point that just because lugnut33 posts racism after everything someone posts doesn't make it racist.

Exactly.

 

[derricksonb]

No, but it also doesn't excuse the OP from calling them "animals" and "RUDE SOBs".

But what if the terms "animals" and "rude SOB's" were accurate descriptors? BY all accounts the herd mentality and multiple stampedes that I have witnessed would surely be enough evidence to conclude that these groups tend to behave like animals. In this case that behavior happens to be considered rude when compared to what civilized Americans consider acceptable social behavior.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

That was not all that was said. Go back and read it, "animals".

I did and I didn't see hate............so maybe you may want to back up and bit and understand this was a young girl knocked on to the ground and her Father was trying to protect her and was then attacked................

Quite frankly there are many, many reports of the Brazilian groups being over the top rude and pushy and nasty at WDW.

Your the only one saying anything about racists. Frankly your wrong!

AKK

 

[Judyfun]

http://disneymanners.com/2012/07/brazilian-tour-groups/

A very interesting read.

 

[MET270]

First and foremost I'm sorry that the daughter of the OP was involved in this incident and I hope she recovers and is not traumatized by the experience.

MY family has experienced similar "running of the bulls" type behavior from multiple tour groups during several of our trips to WDW. The first time was truly horrifying as DW was 7 months pregnant at the time with our first child. Luckily only her arm was hit as she tried her best to move out of their way. The second time DW and DD1, who was in a stroller at the time, were able to escape unscathed while I ended up in the middle of the stampede being bounced from runner to runner like the disk in a game of Plinko. Now I'm not a HUGE guy by any means (6'0 225 lbs), but I'm smart enough to know Newton's three basic laws of physics and how to apply them to real life. So the third time this happened (like the OPs incident, this also happened to be at EPCOT) a group of about 40-50 Brazilian teenagers (identified by their bright shirts) took off in a mad sprint towards the rear entrance/exit near Great Britain where DW, DD4, DS1 and I were entering the park. Now, in addition to knowing basic physics, I've also watched enough NASCAR races at Daytona and Talladega to understand the theories of "pack racing" and that a wreck in the front of the pack will result in half of the field getting caught up in "The Big Wreck." So after DW, DD and DS were out of the way I started moving directly towards the front of the pack who quickly learned Newtons Second law of Motion (F=MA). The first one bounced off of me like a Chiclet, coming to rest on the ground where he became a human speed bump for most of the rest of the pack who ended up tripping over him and landing face first on the hot, hot Florida concrete. I was confronted by their tour leader and accused of starting a fight. A Cast Member near the rear gate saw what happened and how my family was in harms way, asked if I was alright and promptly escorted the group and its leader out of the park. Not sure what happened after that but we did not see that group again for the rest of the week.

This type of rude and dangerous behavior would never be allowed or permitted in any American city and it surely would not be tolerated by the local officials in any foreign country, so why then do individuals and groups from all over the world (including the United States) believe that it will be permitted or tolerated at WDW? I attribute much of this behavior to the fact that Americans are being desensitized and taught to be non-confrontational. We no longer allow our kids to keep score when playing sports, no child left behind, no religion in schools or government buildings and we have to be accepting of every other nation and religion's beliefs and customs even if they do not recognize our own. I love WDW and visit there 2-3 weeks every year. If the tour leaders, Cast Members or Disney leadership will not establish or enforce rules that keep these large groups in check then I assert that it is the responsibility of other visitors to make sure that they adhere to the rules (both written and implied), social conventions and common decency that we expect in order to maintain a safe, peaceful and enjoyable environment for ourselves and our families.

 

[BDL]

The original post was not racist. And though OP did use the term "animals", I can not fault him. He is a protective father who cited a couple of examples of behavior he wasn't a fan of and saw his little girl get injured with no repercussions to the offenders. I would be mad and sad as well.

To this, I'm from Boston. If there was a huge tour group that was from up here, and were down there to take in a Sox/Rays or B's/Bolts game, and that group had a day or 2 at WDW. On those days, the group had all been wearing the same shirt and singing "Shippin' Up To Boston" at the top of their lungs, non-stop and acted like the other group, I would expect the same reaction towards tour groups from Boston.

But it wasn't. These tour groups are nothing new. I remember being at EPCOT in 1986 and my dad huddling me and my sister into him and turning his back to the wave of humanity that was coming through. And yes... They were a Brazilian tour group.

Do I cast all Brazilians in the same lot because of my experiances. Not even close.

Am I more cautious and attentive when I see the shirts, the guides with their group flags and hear the chanting. Yes.

 

[mm1971]

The Title of my Forum subject is RUDE SOUTH AMERICANS
Might I mention everyone one of the UGLY neon shirts being worn had Brazille and the sponsor on them
now be gone before someone drops a house on you too

Nice WOO reference. This thread is fun. It went from South American tour groups to Brazilian Racism to 20 something white people and now we are arguing the definition of racism.

OP, sorry for your bad experience no matter who or what the cause. You DD was injured because of a group of inconsiderate individuals and that is the negative here. I surely hope she is doing better and that all future trips to Disney or elsewhere are magical.