Rope drop for FOP is a mob be warned

[bladiator]

2) Start up a popular ride up before park opening since a queue has already formed?

They should have created a back entrance walkway so that they can run FOP 24/7/365 even if the rest of the park is closed.

 

[crazylena]

I still see it as Disney's responsibility. They know people do this so its up to Disney to find a way to manage it safely so no one gets hurt. All it would take is one elderly person or child to slip on that slick pavement (It was foggy and misty today so the pavement was wet and slick) and get hurt for a huge law suit to go down.

There has to be a better way to manage getting people onto that ride without people being put into a dangerous mob.

I totally agree with you. A few years ago we experienced something similar at Disneyland except it was at the end of the day when people were leaving. There was no order to it whatsoever and people were pushing and shoving to be the 1st on the trams back to the parking lot. We went 2 different days and after the 1st night I just couldn't face that again and we walked back to the cars. I didn't see any security or help anywhere and there were no ropes to form lines or anything. We were nothing more than a heard of cattle.
I do feel people are more rude however Disney is responsible too. There has to be a better way of doing this.

 

[revdon64]

I don't see it that way, because that isn't what people posted.

Most people make decisions based on irrational emotions, not actual facts. (see: Richard Thaler)

We want to believe WDW's hidden security will keep us safe, even though we know it doesn't protect us from ordinary rope drop crowds. That's a bit nutty.

Either we're safe at WDW or we aren't.

Context. Context is everything. You're removing the context of the conversations in order to place two different things together. The context of people saying that they feel safe is in a discussion of bag check and security procedures. The context of people feeling that there is an unsafe situation is in a discussion of crowds rushing to a new ride at rope drop. Context matters. People are generally safe at WDW. Some guests create an unsafe situation at times by not following the rules. Two different conversations. One situation is about general safety and the other is about a specific situation. One can be avoided and the other usually cannot.

 

[kniquy]

I know they have to put certain actions in to place but once they do that, isn't it up to the guest to be responsible too? Does the guest loose all responsibility here?

Unfortunately there are many people that based on personal ethics and culture they are out for themselves and will act like animals, so no matter if they are told not to run they are selfish and will run, shove and do what they have to in order to get what they want. I would never allow my kids to do act in such a manner, but that is what i instill in them -- other parents are not as courteous.

Maybe if these concerns are voiced directly to Disney they will see it is an issue. Posting here only gets so far and i doubt disney looks here for feed back. I wonder how many people have contact Disney, who have spoken to a CM to express a severe concern with guest safety when attempting to enter the park at opening? Sounds like something needs to be done.

I think Disney does a good job responding to even emails after your trip. I had a CM compliment that i emailed and i received a phone call about it. Speak up -- Disney loves to please its customers

 

[JFox]

Running if the Bulls takes place at every park, every morning. Maybe not as intense as AK.

You cannot control how people react only your reaction to these people. You can not expect them to behave in a certain way or in a way you would behave. Would you really want to engage with a person who may or may not have cut in front of you; hit your ankles; shoved you; etc? Would probably end up in a heated discussion between you and them and not the best way to start your day. The best thing to do is just let it go. You take care of you and your family.

 

[mickeyfanachey1999]

I think the rope drop plan for FoP is just not really a great plan right now. It IS a good plan for normally popular rides like TT, Soarin', etc. But not really for FoP, it sounds like to me.

I have a son in a WC and could not attempt it. We were lucky a few weeks ago, had one FP at night, pushed it to 8:30 pm when they extend park hours, and got an early morning one another day, when they opened up a ton on one day.

I actually WANT to walk the queue, I loved the movie and want to see the exhibits on the queue line. Hope to get to do that next trip, if line under 90 minutes.

PS I think solution is to open park at 6 am, for the 2 Pandora rides.

it definitely depends on the group you are with. My oldest and I did RD for FOP in August and didn't have any issues. Of course it was just us and neither of us is slightly built so we had that advantage.

 

[Tinkerbell2017]

I'm honestly curious, at what point is it Disney's responsibility and at what point is it the guest?
How can Disney control the actions of every guest in their parks at all times?
Seriously asking how they can do this.
I know they have to put certain actions in to place but once they do that, isn't it up to the guest to be responsible too? Does the guest loose all responsibility here?

I think Disney may be asking for trouble. All it takes is for the people being cut off or hurt to start fighting back. It could get ugly, maybe an outright riot. That wouldn't look good n the news. The people are the problem but when it hits the news it becomes Disney's problem.

 

[skyblue17]

This sounds bananas and pretty unnecessary, but I'm not super surprised by it.

Genuine question... do people rope drop this ride so that they don't spend hours waiting in line while the other attractions in the park are open? If you are going to wait hours in the parking lot or at the "rope", doesn't it make more sense to do so in the controlled environment of the ride line, rather than the version that's full of variables and people who will gravitate toward their lesser instincts?

I admittedly lucked out in only having to wait about 45 minutes on the standby line, mid-day, so I very easily could just be underestimating the desperation of the situation.

 

[mom2rtk]

This sounds bananas and pretty unnecessary, but I'm not super surprised by it.

Genuine question... do people rope drop this ride so that they don't spend hours waiting in line while the other attractions in the park are open? If you are going to wait hours in the parking lot or at the "rope", doesn't it make more sense to do so in the controlled environment of the ride line, rather than the version that's full of variables and people who will gravitate toward their lesser instincts?

I admittedly lucked out in only having to wait about 45 minutes on the standby line, mid-day, so I very easily could just be underestimating the desperation of the situation.

For some it does. But for some with a very limited amount of park time, they prefer to spend their time waiting before the park opens so they can maximize the rest of their park time that day.

 

[turtlechick6]

Interesting.

Many of the DIS regulars now saying WDW can be dangerous- just said the opposite a few days ago:

"I've never felt at risk at Disney. Resorts or parks, or in between."

"No worries. I have told people over and over Disney is the safest place on earth."

" There are far more dangerous places to go that people still go to every day. Be diligent and observant but enjoy yourself."
"
I guess I feel as safe as possible in a large space with many entrances/exits and LOTS of people.
I really don't worry at all."
"I feel safer at Disney than I do going to work everyday."
"I feel like my odds of getting hurt in a car accident are much higher than anything happening to me while I'm at Disney. I really don't worry much about security while I'm there."

and this:
"Overall, Disney, to me, is like holy ground in a sense in the apolitical nonideological appeal to goodness that anyone would aim for in the world."


So which is it? WDW can't be both perfectly safe and regularly dangerous at the same time.

I was one of the ones that said I usually feel VERY safe at Disney as far as from gun men or terrorists etc. But in regards to rude people at rope drop. Yeah not feeling super safe.

I rope dropped magic kingdom today and yes there was a bit of a crowd going into mine train in the morning but it was 8 times less than what Flight of Passage was. So it was not that bad. I think the larger walkways at MK and just more families versus child free younger adults is what made it less of a crazy free for all

 

[turtlechick6]

Millennials..eh?

Guess you missed this part of the post: "a man pushing a child in a wheelchair that kept trying to get between him and us and cutting our family off from each other." "Then a middle aged woman tried to cut around me on the side and I kept telling her to not do that and she kept trying to squeeze past anyway.""Then my mom whom was not even trying to get to the ride just trying to move with the crowd to catch up with us later- had a guy smack her in the face with his backpack and shove into her and she got elbowed."

Rudeness, inconsiderate behavior, etc comes in all ages and all 'generations' even if all the OP ever did see was so-called 'millennials'. But sure blame is all on the Millennials

Besides I didn't know people were able to quickly judge the ages of people especially in a mob or crowd situation because as you know millennials can be as old as early to mid-30s at this point.

The millenials were the ones full out sprinting up the sides leaping over benches etc then trying to cut in. Millenials and young and spry lol. The guy with the backpack that hit my mom was a young guy.

But yes, older people were doing it too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The millenials were the ones full out sprinting up the sides leaping over benches etc then trying to cut in. Millenials and young and spry lol. The guy with the backpack that hit my mom was a young guy.

But yes, older people were doing it too.

Rudeness and inconsiderate behavior like I said before comes in all ages and 'generations'. It's annoying when it's "oh yeah it was millennials who did it" followed by someone who says "yeah that explains it, those entitled, yada yada yada".

What good does it actually serve to segment like that? Rude people are rude people regardless of their age. I certaintly don't sit there and actually take the time to figure out the ages of each and every person especially during a crowd and mob situation and then correspond them with a generation they would be in. "Ain't nobody got time for that". I just count them as rude, inconsiderate and move on with my day. I'm trying to envision going up to guest services and saying "those millenials....". I would image you're more likely to say "during opening people were...".

Young and spry is quite funny though because I guarantee you I may have been young at Disney in September (well 29) but I wasn't spry after walking thousands and thousands of steps (I believe my WDW portion of my trip consisting of 5 days counted over 50miles worth of walking).

ETA: It's curious that you would say millenial but refer to others as middle aged rather than a baby boomer or a gen Xer.

 

[Wubar]

I think Disney may be asking for trouble. All it takes is for the people being cut off or hurt to start fighting back. It could get ugly, maybe an outright riot. That wouldn't look good n the news. The people are the problem but when it hits the news it becomes Disney's problem.

That will be me. An accidental nudge followed by an apology or an "excuse me" will then suffice. But if I get elbowed constantly and smacked in the face or my son gets shoved and run over, that's going to be a problem. I'm not about to shrug that one off and let it go.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Unfortunately Disney will take responsibility if (God forbid) something terrible happens. Many retail stores had to make changes to deal with black Friday after the injuries/death that occurred. Lawsuits tend to create change within organizations.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Unfortunately Disney will take responsibility if (God forbid) something terrible happens. Many retail stores had to make changes to deal with black Friday after the injuries/death that occurred. Lawsuits tend to create change within organizations.

Disney would only for PR purposes if they actually did unless they were found legally liable in which case they would take responsibility because they were found legally liable. Retail stores didn't have to change their process and believe it or not many haven't changed their process. Walmart still does crazy mobs with the exception that the ones around us changed how they do their DVD/Blu-Ray area otherwise the rest of the stuff is just on pallets and it's a free for all (people do still camp out staking their claim going as far as putting their hand on the item they want if it's possible so when the sale begins they can immediately grab it). If they changed their process it's because they wanted to likely due to PR (unless they were found legally liable in a lawsuit for injury and changed processes due to that). I mean does anyone remember the madness of the stores overtime? I remember Tickle Me Elmo stuff lol. The Black Friday madness isn't new at all nor are injuries that have occurred and their ways of handling it largely haven't changed.

 

[Tinkerbell2017]

I can see the headline now. Riot at Disney's Animal Kingdom. Several hurt. Disney ignored potential injuries. I don't think they want that. I hope they fix this.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Yes, PR is a big driver and for Disney more than most other companies. Processes did change for the retailers on black Friday as a result of some things that have happened. Ignored negligence can be enough to bring a lawsuit that most companies don't want to deal with.

Disney would only for PR purposes if they actually did unless they were found legally liable in which case they would take responsibility because they were found legally liable. Retail stores didn't have to change their process and believe it or not many haven't changed their process. Walmart still does crazy mobs with the exception that the ones around us changed how they do their DVD/Blu-Ray area otherwise the rest of the stuff is just on pallets and it's a free for all (people do still camp out staking their claim going as far as putting their hand on the item they want if it's possible so when the sale begins they can immediately grab it). If they changed their process it's because they wanted to likely due to PR (unless they were found legally liable in a lawsuit for injury and changed processes due to that). I mean does anyone remember the madness of the stores overtime? I remember Tickle Me Elmo stuff lol. The Black Friday madness isn't new at all nor are injuries that have occurred and their ways of handling it largely haven't changed.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, PR is a big driver and for Disney more than most other companies. Processes did change for the retailers on black Friday as a result of some things that have happened. Ignored negligence can be enough to bring a lawsuit that most companies don't want to deal with.

Processes did change for some but not all retailers. In a few weeks I'm sure you'll be able to google some news stories.

You're right that lawsuits are not what companies want..which is why I mentioned earlier that a lot settle which doesn't mean they were found at fault. But realistically a company cannot account for all the potential lawsuits they would get.

Take Disney Cruise Line. Last August they were sued because a mother claimed that a raised portion of a stair caused her “child to catch her shoe and fall.” She is suing for “suffered physical and mental anguish, disability, loss of capacity for the enjoyment of life and incurred medical expenses.”

Now majority of folks who trip up the stairs move on with their life. I don't know if the lawsuit is still going on. Not all lawsuits are ones that have us going SMH but it does mean there are ones that occur that we do.

 

[JFox]

Seriously, don't get involved. If you retaliate against someone, even if justified it could end badly for both parties. Take the high road and allow security to handle it.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I agree with much of what you wrote. I have never been a fan of frivolous lawsuits and think many just raise costs that are passed on to consumers. Yes, more things may happen over the retail season, but those retailers that are not in particularly good shape to begin, with will run the risk of legal expenses to deal with it. That is just the reality that we live in.

Disney is not Six Flags and if something goes bad they can't get away with saying that the same thing happens at other theme parks. Disney should be able to come up with a fairly painless solution to the RD crowds with all their resources, but IMO they are choosing not to.

Processes did change for some but not all retailers. In a few weeks I'm sure you'll be able to google some news stories.

You're right that lawsuits are not what companies want..which is why I mentioned earlier that a lot settle which doesn't mean they were found at fault. But realistically a company cannot account for all the potential lawsuits they would get.

Take Disney Cruise Line. Last August they were sued because a mother claimed that a raised portion of a stair caused her “child to catch her shoe and fall.” She is suing for “suffered physical and mental anguish, disability, loss of capacity for the enjoyment of life and incurred medical expenses.”

Now majority of folks who trip up the stairs move on with their life. I don't know if the lawsuit is still going on. Not all lawsuits are ones that have us going SMH but it does mean there are ones that occur that we do.