rookie magic band fast pass question

[bcrook]

Glad you are here, Mesaboy!

I'm not quite sure if this is the distinction to which you refer or not, but they seem to be questions pertinent to this thread.

SCENARIO 1: DHS
FP+ 1 - 9:30 - ToT
FP+ 2 - 10:30 - Star Tours
FP+ 3 - 11:30 - GMR

If I have no intention of using the GMR one, can I cancel it upon entering the park, then visit a kiosk after riding ST and schedule a FP+ (call it rescheduling #3, or obtaining #4, that doesn't matter) for ToT if it is available? That is what threeboysmom above would like to do.

If this is possible, does it matter whether the one you want to repeat is a Tier 1 attraction?

SCENARIO 2: MK
FP+1 - 9:30 - 7DMT
FP+ 2 - 10:30 - Space
FP+ 3 - 11:30 - Buzz

I decide I don't want to ride Buzz, so I leave MK and hop to Epcot at 11:30. I arrive at 12:00. Can I get my fourth FP+ when I arrive? Or will the system not allow me to get one at a different park because I haven't used my first three? Do I have to actually cancel the Buzz? Do I have to wait until its window expires at 12:30?

I thought I completely understood the system, but these scenarios have me wondering!

This is all fascinating.

And to add another wrinkle, would it be possible to walk those ride reservations up as soon as you get off the first ride. Scenario 1: ride Tot. Move star tours to 9:30. Gmr to 10:30. Then after star tours move gmr up to 10:00. Then ride gmr. Ready to grab tower of terror again at 10:25.

 

[bcrook]

I'm going to master all these shenanigans in October. I am dedicating my trip to the experimentation of the FP+ system. As frustrating as it is doing battle on line 60 days in advance and keeping track of a myriad of reservations for seven or eight people, I am going to fully exploit this system.

 

[mesaboy2]

Glad you are here, Mesaboy!

I'm not quite sure if this is the distinction to which you refer or not, but they seem to be questions pertinent to this thread.

SCENARIO 1: DHS
FP+ 1 - 9:30 - ToT
FP+ 2 - 10:30 - Star Tours
FP+ 3 - 11:30 - GMR

If I have no intention of using the GMR one, can I cancel it upon entering the park, then visit a kiosk after riding ST and schedule a FP+ (call it rescheduling #3, or obtaining #4, that doesn't matter) for ToT if it is available? That is what threeboysmom above would like to do.

If this is possible, does it matter whether the one you want to repeat is a Tier 1 attraction?

I wish I knew. The thing with rescheduling #3 is that I don't think it will allow you to choose a different tier attraction when you reschedule it. However, a new #4 should allow you to get any available FP. And if you cancel a FP, and then schedule another, does the system consiider that rescheduling the cancelled FP and treat it as the 3rd or does it count as a new 4th?

SCENARIO 2: MK
FP+1 - 9:30 - 7DMT
FP+ 2 - 10:30 - Space
FP+ 3 - 11:30 - Buzz

I decide I don't want to ride Buzz, so I leave MK and hop to Epcot at 11:30. I arrive at 12:00. Can I get my fourth FP+ when I arrive? Or will the system not allow me to get one at a different park because I haven't used my first three? Do I have to actually cancel the Buzz? Do I have to wait until its window expires at 12:30?

I thought I completely understood the system, but these scenarios have me wondering!

Another great question. This system has so many complexities and subtleties to it. Makes me shake my head in genuine disbelief when someone calls all this easier to use than the old way. I wrote much of the FP+ thread when it first came out with only the simplest understanding at the time and some of it has not been challenged with real world use cases. I'm not so proud I won't change something if it's wrong, but on the other hand getting into the weeds like this would only confuse things even more. In this particular case, I think I'd just seek the help of a kiosk CM by pleading ignorance and batting my eyes--they'd probably set you up with something assuming they know enough about it themselves.

This is all fascinating.

And to add another wrinkle, would it be possible to walk those ride reservations up as soon as you get off the first ride. Scenario 1: ride Tot. Move star tours to 9:30. Gmr to 10:30. Then after star tours move gmr up to 10:00. Then ride gmr. Ready to grab tower of terror again at 10:25.

That I'm pretty confident you can do, subject to availability of course. Test it out if you like and let me know.

 

[subtchr]

I'm not a local who can test these scenarios out whenever I want, but I DO have five trips scheduled as a tour director between October and March. Some of those I will not have the ability to hop, but when I can, I will play around with it and see.

And that last question, about stepping up the scheduled FP times after you enter the line for the previous FP, is definitely possible. I've done that.

I'd love to hear if anyone has experience with the other two scenarios. Mesaboy, you are correct, to delve into every possible iteration in your thread would be counterproductive at best. Thanks for your efforts in making it as throrough and correct as possible!

 

[mesaboy2]

I'm not a local who can test these scenarios out whenever I want, but I DO have five trips scheduled as a tour director between October and March. Some of those I will not have the ability to hop, but when I can, I will play around with it and see.

And that last question, about stepping up the scheduled FP times after you enter the line for the previous FP, is definitely possible. I've done that.

I'd love to hear if anyone has experience with the other two scenarios. Mesaboy, you are correct, to delve into every possible iteration in your thread would be counterproductive at best. Thanks for your efforts in making it as throrough and correct as possible!

I've begun work on Part III, and it will have more info but will be more tightly organized across more posts.

 

[bcrook]

I'm not a local who can test these scenarios out whenever I want, but I DO have five trips scheduled as a tour director between October and March. Some of those I will not have the ability to hop, but when I can, I will play around with it and see.

And that last question, about stepping up the scheduled FP times after you enter the line for the previous FP, is definitely possible. I've done that.

I'd love to hear if anyone has experience with the other two scenarios. Mesaboy, you are correct, to delve into every possible iteration in your thread would be counterproductive at best. Thanks for your efforts in making it as throrough and correct as possible!

I'm going to be a hopping fool! I want to find out if I can grab a star tours in DHS, and then catch the bus and switch the fastpass enroute to my next park to pirates or Everest or whatever.

 

[bcrook]

I've begun work on Part III, and it will have more info but will be more tightly organized across more posts.

I can't wait to read it! Lol! I can't believe you have had to write everything you have written to describe this convoluted system. But thank you! I have found it valuable while I plan my assault on WDW.

 

[casey10]

A lot going on here.

Most people have listed using the fast pass a certain way using the first two and not using the 3rd leading to confusion.

Think of this in reverse you have a fast pass at 9:00 am, next is 10:00am and the last at 11:00 am.

If you miss the first fast pass at 9:00 am (provided no reschedule) and do the other two you are able to use the kiosks for your 4th, 5th ect after 12:00pm or after whenever the 11:00 am was first used.

You could hop to another park to get available fast passes from a kiosk as well. With no reschedule once the 3rd one is either used or expired another can be accessed from a kiosk.

Another question that has come up is moving times.

If you take my scenario of a 9:00 AM, 10:00 AM and 11:00AM fast pass:

If you go on a ride right at 9:00 AM you may be able to change your next fast pass to lets say 9:30 AM from your smart phone.

You ride your next ride at 9:30 AM you then may be able to change your next ride from your smart phone from 11:00 AM to 10:00AM.

Once you go on the ride you have then used all your Fast passes.

Now you can go to the kiosk to add another fast pass.

You can also hop and go to another park and get another fast pass from a kiosk from as long as its available.

 

[MataHari22]

This is all fascinating.

And to add another wrinkle, would it be possible to walk those ride reservations up as soon as you get off the first ride. Scenario 1: ride Tot. Move star tours to 9:30. Gmr to 10:30. Then after star tours move gmr up to 10:00. Then ride gmr. Ready to grab tower of terror again at 10:25.

Yes, I have moved the next one up after riding, many times.

 

[threeboysmom]

I wish I knew. The thing with rescheduling #3 is that I don't think it will allow you to choose a different tier attraction when you reschedule it. However, a new #4 should allow you to get any available FP. And if you cancel a FP, and then schedule another, does the system consiider that rescheduling the cancelled FP and treat it as the 3rd or does it count as a new 4th?

Which is why, at least in my case, CANCELLING my 3rd FP+ is much more appealing to me than RESCHEDULING it to something else or EXPIRING it. I currently hold FP+ for RNRC, TOT, and Frozen with NO intention whatsoever to use the FP+ for Frozen. I WANT another FP+ for TOT. If I simply reschedule my 3rd FP+, the system will not allow me to choose ToT (or even another Tier 1); however, if I CANCEL, ALL the attractions regardless of duplicity or tiers will show up if there's availability.

If you cancel a FP, it's GONE - you can't get the ability to schedule 3 fast passes at that point. Meaning you now only have 2 fast passes that day so do not cancel unless you're absolutely sure you're not going to want the ability to schedule 3 fast passes. So your itinerary needs to be set in stone which is why I'll wait until that day to cancel. I'd hate to cancel my 3rd now and then end up changing my HS day to a MK day and now I only have 2 fast passes to book there instead of the normal 3.

So I will literally only have 2 fast pass "slots" for my day at HS once I've cancelled the "throwaway." Once I've used those 2 fast passes, I can then book a new "3rd" (technically not a 4th since I cancelled/eradicated my 3rd).

At least that's how I understand the process. Haven't been to the park to actually do this yet, but am planning on doing this exact thing on both of my HS days.

I guess the crux of the issue is how does Disney treat an expired FP+ ? Is it technically used (meaning you can now book a NEW attraction) or is it unused (meaning your only option is to reschedule it which will block out duplicate bookings or tiers)

 

[bcrook]

I guess the crux of the issue is how does Disney treat an expired FP+ ? Is it technically used (meaning you can now book a NEW attraction) or is it unused (meaning your only option is to reschedule it which will block out duplicate bookings or tiers)

I need to know this too!

 

[supersnoop]

I guess the crux of the issue is how does Disney treat an expired FP+ ? Is it technically used (meaning you can now book a NEW attraction) or is it unused (meaning your only option is to reschedule it which will block out duplicate bookings or tiers)

You'll only be able to reschedule a missed fastpass.

 

[subtchr]

If you miss the first fast pass at 9:00 am (provided no reschedule) and do the other two you are able to use the kiosks for your 4th, 5th ect after 12:00pm or after whenever the 11:00 am was first used.

You could hop to another park to get available fast passes from a kiosk as well. With no reschedule once the 3rd one is either used or expired another can be accessed from a kiosk.

You'll only be able to reschedule a missed fastpass.

See, these are contradictory -- I'd love to hear from someone who has played around with the system to see if it will allow them to book a fourth FP (meaning it can be in a different park, or for a repeat of a ride they have already FP), if they have not used any one of their pre-scheduled first three.

 

[Robo]

If you CANCEL one of your 3 original FP+ rreservations BEFORE USING ANY of your FP+ that day.
You will be able to go to a kiosk that day and book another ("4th") FP+ as soon as you have used the last
of the (non-cancelled) FP+.
You can book for any FP attraction that is still available. ... even one that you have already ridden.
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If you CANCEL two of your 3 original FP+ reservations BEFORE USING ANY of your FP+ that day.
You will be able to go to a kiosk that day and book another ("4th") FP+ as soon as you have used
the (non-cancelled) FP+.
You can book for any FP attraction that is still available... even the one that you have already ridden.

 

[siskaren]

If you CANCEL one of your 3 original FP+ rreservations BEFORE USING ANY of your FP+ that day.
You will be able to go to a kiosk that day and book another ("4th") FP+ as soon as you have used the last
of the (non-cancelled) FP+.
You can book for any FP attraction that is still available. ... even one that you have already ridden.
____________________

If you CANCEL two of your 3 original FP+ reservations BEFORE USING ANY of your FP+ that day.
You will be able to go to a kiosk that day and book another ("4th") FP+ as soon as you have used
the (non-cancelled) FP+.
You can book for any FP attraction that is still available... even the one that you have already ridden.

The confusion in this thread though is with regards to expired FP. It's always been my understanding from mesaboy's thread that it doesn't matter if you use all three of your first 3 FPs or if you let one (or more) expire - once either one has happened, you'll be able to book a 4th and that there's no restriction on what you can book as long as what you want is available. Some people on this thread though are saying that if you let one expire rather than using it, you would not be able to book a different one as your 4th, but would instead have to rebook the expired one.

 

[Robo]

The confusion in this thread though is with regards to expired FP. It's always been my understanding from mesaboy's thread that it doesn't matter if you use all three of your first 3 FPs or if you let one (or more) expire - once either one has happened, you'll be able to book a 4th and that there's no restriction on what you can book as long as what you want is available. Some people on this thread though are saying that if you let one expire rather than using it, you would not be able to book a different one as your 4th, but would instead have to rebook the expired one.

Yup. And, I'm not sure of the answer, although the "common knowledge " of this has been that letting FP expire will allow booking of "anything."

My post was just stating another (less known) situation regarding canceling FP+.

 

[supersnoop]

See, these are contradictory -- I'd love to hear from someone who has played around with the system to see if it will allow them to book a fourth FP (meaning it can be in a different park, or for a repeat of a ride they have already FP), if they have not used any one of their pre-scheduled first three.

My experience last week is that I was able to reschedule the missed fastpass at the same park. . Or, if I had missed a fastpass and moved to another park, I was able to book a new one as a "4th" fastpass. Maybe if you cancel the one missed fastpass, you could rebook a tier 1 or something you already road. Of course, I found that TT, Soarin, and TSMM were all sold out before noon and ToT was at least six hours out, so that plan might prove pointless.

 

[bcrook]

Of course, I found that TT, Soarin, and TSMM were all sold out before noon and ToT was at least six hours out, so that plan might prove pointless.