ROFR Thread July to Sept 2023 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[Cybertruck]

Disney is still ahead but it’s lead has definitely dwindled some lately. Disney is still my favorite overall but with Epic Universe coming online, Universal may start to need a complete 2 or even 3 days.

Agree Epic Universe will be a game changer. Disney is not prepared. Splitting days or rotation of all Universal then Disney is going to affect the bottom line.

 

[MissLiss279]

MissLiss279---$147-$11475-75-CCV@WL-Dec-19/22, 34/23, 75/24-Seller pays MF ‘23- sent 8/5

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Ok- I’ve reached the itching point on my ROFR waiting. I’m at day 18. The checking of email extra times per day has begun, but not yet turned obsessive. With money still sitting in my bank account, I’m still looking for more points too (this may stop for awhile once I pay for my current contract- lol).

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/listings/aulani/au02101/

Threre's an Aulani subsidized contract available!

 

[The_MT]

I keep looking at contracts but think I will wait until fall of 2024. I just am not certain what I want to do.

Looking at resale AKV or BLT to combine with our SSR points or

Do we want direct at POLY2 or Riviera instead.

I can make a case for any of the 4. I can also make a case against any of the 4.

We have enough points for trips in 2023 and 2024 so the purchase is not necessary until a trip in 2025.

The answer is: buy all 4

You're welcome

 

[Stargazer65]

The answer is: buy all 4

You're welcome

Excellent advice! Work their way to the 5001 point club.

 

[intamin]

I keep looking at contracts but think I will wait until fall of 2024. I just am not certain what I want to do.

Looking at resale AKV or BLT to combine with our SSR points or

Do we want direct at POLY2 or Riviera instead.

I can make a case for any of the 4. I can also make a case against any of the 4.

We have enough points for trips in 2023 and 2024 so the purchase is not necessary until a trip in 2025.

The answer is: buy all 4

You're welcome

This is essentially what I'm doing.. already have AKV and RIV.. going to be adding poly 2 and maybe resale BLT down the line . Join me @tom1944 LOL

 

[tom1944]

The answer is: buy all 4

You're welcome

I did buy a lottery ticket today

 

[Cybertruck]

I did buy a lottery ticket today

Winning ticket is Golden Oak purchase

 

[Paul Stupin]

Not really. Several timeshare systems have ROFR (Marriott, Holiday Inn, Sheraton all come to mind) and several also have a robust resale market (many Marriott resorts, a few Sheratons, most Hyatts).

Partly the difference is that Disney is the only one that has most resorts bundled to enhanced access to the most popular theme parks in the world. Partly it is that Disney has (so far) been a pretty light touch on the sales floor. And partly it is because Disney's Reality Distortion Field is second only to Apple's.


If it were me, I'd just stop trying. They don't need to know what I bought or why.


It's not that profitable. They make more (and probably a lot more) by building a shiny new resort, even at current resale prices. The room-rental cash cow was great during domestic Revenge Travel, but that revenge is either ebbing or now being directed towards international trips, depending on who you believe, and Disney is back to discounting rooms more regularly.

It is easy money, but only when you have a stable of ready buyers. The recently announced developer credit for SSR suggests that maybe they have fewer ready buyers than they thought they would.

The thing is, VGF will sell out in a year, VDH is not a must buy for those who consistently travel to WDW, and I think the new cabins at Fort Wilderness will be more a niche product than one with wide appeal to potential DVC buyers.

As we know, Riviera is chugging along but not setting the world on fire, and neither is Aulani. So that leaves the one new project of Poly2 to liven things up 12 months from now, with any other new tower or resort potentially years away. So why wouldn’t Disney crank up the ROFR machine sooner or later and resume selling direct points to sold out resorts? Otherwise they’d be leaving easy money on the table.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

The thing is, VGF will sell out in a year, VDH is not a must buy for those who consistently travel to WDW, and I think the new cabins at Fort Wilderness will be more a niche product than one with wide appeal to potential DVC buyers.

As we know, Riviera is chugging along but not setting the world on fire, and neither is Aulani. So that leaves the one new project of Poly2 to liven things up 12 months from now, with any other new tower or resort potentially years away. So why wouldn’t Disney crank up the ROFR machine sooner or later and resume selling direct points to sold out resorts? Otherwise they’d be leaving easy money on the table.

I think the answer was "It is easy money, but only when you have a stable of ready buyers." I tend to believe that Disney has a dwindling supply of DVC buyers because of how small and niche DVC is when compared to the greater timeshare market. But I agree with everything else you mentioned. About the limited sales potential of the other resorts. But I'm not so sure the "sold-out" resorts will fare better, especially when they're usually more expensive and have less years left than the active selling resorts.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Winning ticket is Golden Oak purchase

The $1.6 billion? I’d be buying that and a nice summer home near Disneyland.

And a few NetJets fractions to make all those trips.

 

[intamin]

I think the answer was "It is easy money, but only when you have a stable of ready buyers." I tend to believe that Disney has a dwindling supply of DVC buyers because of how small and niche DVC is when compared to the greater timeshare market. But I agree with everything else you mentioned. About the limited sales potential of the other resorts. But I'm not so sure the "sold-out" resorts will fare better, especially when they're usually more expensive and have less years left than the active selling resorts.

I think this is what makes it hard. Disney struggles to sell any resort that's not on property so they can't even really diversify even if they wanted to *looks at Aulani and Vero Beach*. Being an avid snowboarder the things I would do for a Disney ski resort like Walt wanted. On the other hand ski resort pricing without Disney is already ridiculous so maybe it's a good thing they didn't .

 

[Ginamarie]

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/listings/aulani/au02101/

Threre's an Aulani subsidized contract available!

I saw it! But I can’t make it out to Hawaii enough to make AUL points make sense.
My wallet is ver proud of this logic!

 

[TheDailyMoo]

The $1.6 billion? I’d be buying that and a nice summer home near Disneyland.

And a few NetJets fractions to make all those trips.

For 1.6 billion I could buy Epcot and live in Spaceship Earth

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I saw it! But I can’t make it out to Hawaii enough to make AUL points make sense.
My wallet is ver proud of this logic!

Totally understand. How was your trip to Aulani by the way?

 

[DSLRuser]

DSLRUser---$83-$15770-190-OKW-AUG-0/22, 01/23, 190/24 sell paying 2023 dues, buyer paying $800 closing cost- sent 7/20

Passed ROFR on Sunday august 6th...hope to close by the 18th

 

[E2ME2]

Not really. Several timeshare systems have ROFR (Marriott, Holiday Inn, Sheraton all come to mind) and several also have a robust resale market (many Marriott resorts, a few Sheratons, most Hyatts).

Partly the difference is that Disney is the only one that has most resorts bundled to enhanced access to the most popular theme parks in the world. Partly it is that Disney has (so far) been a pretty light touch on the sales floor. And partly it is because Disney's Reality Distortion Field is second only to Apple's.


If it were me, I'd just stop trying. They don't need to know what I bought or why.


It's not that profitable. They make more (and probably a lot more) by building a shiny new resort, even at current resale prices. The room-rental cash cow was great during domestic Revenge Travel, but that revenge is either ebbing or now being directed towards international trips, depending on who you believe, and Disney is back to discounting rooms more regularly.

It is easy money, but only when you have a stable of ready buyers. The recently announced developer credit for SSR suggests that maybe they have fewer ready buyers than they thought they would.

Brian - what is the "recently announced developer credit for SSR"

 

[aceshigh73]

Brian - what is the "recently announced developer credit for SSR"

https://dvcexplorer.com/fin/n/SaratogaSprings_Prospect_DeveloperCredit_CashOnly.pdf

 

[Cybertruck]

The $1.6 billion? I’d be buying that and a nice summer home near Disneyland.

Yes, Single winning ticket sold at Publix in Neptune Beach (near Jacksonville). My co-workers are stilling pinging me, asking I have the winning ticket. I am central Florida.

 

[julie-o]

PASSED


AKV:



chlwodud85---$100-$18043-160-AKV-Jun-0/22, 259/23, 160/24, 160/25- sent 6/15, passed 7/1

KashDVC---$105-$19000-160-AKV-Dec-0/22, 273/23, 160/24- sent 6/20, passed 7/7

sab53085---$100-$11648-100-AKV-Aug-100/22, 100/23, 100/24- sent 6/23, passed 7/17

Divehard---$135-$9250-60-AKV-Oct-0/21, 49/22, 120/23, 60/24- sent 6/29, passed 7/20

Pyrat---$100-$10997-100-AKV-Feb-50/22, 26/23, 100/24- sent 6/28, passed 7/20

JudyHoppsZPD---$110-$11510-100-AKV-Dec-0/21, 0/22, 0/23, 100/24- sent 7/3, passed 7/21

aloeve1288---$120-$14090-110-AKV-Jun-0/22, 110/23, 140/24, 95/25- sent 7/3, passed 7/21

BarryCF---$120-$15600-120-AKV-Dec-0/22, 60/23, 120/24- sent 7/5, passed 7/21

Tramp200---$120-$26661-200-AKV-Dec-55/22, 400/23, 200/24- sent 7/11, passed 7/25



AUL:

emchen---$127-$60579-477-AUL-Dec-0/21, 0/22, 0/23, 477/24-Subsidized dues/ close ’24- sent 6/18, passed 7/17

larry47591---$129-$20770-160-AUL-Mar-0/22, 0/23, 0/24, 160/25-Subsidized dues- sent 6/27, passed 7/19


BCV:


Stevehudd---$125-$29744-230-BCV-Feb-0/22, 230/23, 230/24, 230/25- sent 6/19, passed 7/7



BLT:



pixieprincess925---$138-$23403-160-BLT-Apr-0/22, 116/23, 160/24, 160/25- sent 6/16, passed 7/7

Bearval---$122-$21459-160-BLT-Jun-0/22, 160/23, 160/24, 160/25- sent 6/27, passed 7/19

Hiddenmickey75---$135-$15900-100-BLT-Oct-0/21, 28/22, 157/23, 100/24- sent 6/28, passed 7/20

Crazydecoratoruk---$140-$15284-100-BLT-Apr-0/22, 94/23, 100/24, 100/25- sent 7/6, passed 7/21

BeckyT13---$135-$33995-250-BLT-Jun-0/22, 175/23, 213/24, 250/25-seller pays MF '23- sent 7/10, passed 7/24

MsChristy12---$140-$7999-50-BLT-Feb-0/22, 84/23, 50/24- sent 7/13, passed 7/25



BWV:


MMays---$115-$25422-200-BWV-Jun-0/22, 400/23, 200/24, 200/25- sent 6/14, passed 7/1

yodapup---$107-$23920-200-BWV-Dec-322/23, 200/24, 200/25- sent 6/13, passed 7/1

Dellapellas---$112-$18900-150-BWV-Jun-0/22, 300/23, 150/24- sent 6/19, passed 7/7

Divehard---$120-$20148-150-BWV-Apr-0/22, 259/23, 150/24, 150/25- sent 6/27, passed 7/18

WDLDDS---$112-$30912-250-BWV-Sep-0/22, 500/23, 250/24- sent 6/27, passed 7/18

strawberrygal903---$110-$18372-150-BWV-Apr-0/22, 239/23, 150/24, 150/25- sent 7/8, passed 7/21

Disneymomof2boyz---$145-$8198-50-BWV-Aug-60/22, 50/23, 50/24, 50/25- sent 7/8, passed 7/21


HH:





OKW:


BTSD---$87-$18000-190-OKW-Aug-0/22, 380/23, 190/24- sent 6/27, passed 7/18



OKW EXTENDED:


Wendy98---$92-$10495-90-OKW(E)-Aug-0/22, 180/23, 90/24, 90/25- sent 7/20


PVB:






RIV:


PatricioATX---$125-$22744-175-RIV-Sep-0/21, 0/22, 135/23, 175/24- sent 6/30, passed 7/26


SSR:



JackosinDIS---$95-$21241-200-SSR-Jun-0/22, 200/23, 200/24, 200/25- sent 6/15, passed 7/1

jess2022---$95-$11054-100-SSR-Dec-100/22, 200/23, 100/24- sent 6/16, passed 7/1

anna_e---$110-$12356-100-SSR-Dec-100/22, 200/23, 100/24- sent 6/20, passed 7/7

Armstrongwillf---$90.91-$22582-220-SSR-Dec-0/21, 220/22, 440/23, 220/24- sent 6/22, passed 7/17

scottiesumms---$106-$12180-100-SSR-Jun-19/22, 100/23, 100/24- sent 6/23, passed 7/17

DisneyPie---$91-$14460-150-SSR-Dec-0/22, 0/23, 150/24- sent 6/27, passed 7/18

Disney_Addicted---$87-$9960-100-SSR-Mar-0/22, 200/23, 100/24, 100/25- sent 7/3, passed 7/20

Jomik1---$100-$15642-150-SSR-Mar-0/22, 15/23, 150/24, 150/25-Seller Pays MF '23- sent 7/5, passed 7/21

Fijiism---$105-$17030-150-SSR-Feb-0/22, 150/23, 150/24, 150/25- sent 7/2, passed 7/21

JackosinDIS---$95-$7445-70-SSR-Jun-0/22, 35/23, 70/24, 70/25- sent 7/7, passed 7/24



VGC:

varyth---$270-$28503-100-VGC-Sep-0/21, 0/22, 150/23, 100/24- sent 6/30, passed 7/20

crazycatlady---$270-$28501-100-VGC-Sep-0/22, 122/23, 100/24- sent 7/3, passed 7/20

nalabear---$250-$38000-149-VGC-Dec-0/22, 298/23, 149/24, 149/25- sent 7/5, passed 7/22


VGF:


RnP---$130-$46538-350-VGF-Apr-0/22, 161/23, 350/24-seller pays MF '23- sent 6/30, passed 7/20



WL/ BRV:


DonMacGregor---$100-$5757-51-BRV@WL-Feb-0/22, 17/23, 51/24, 51/25- sent 6/26, passed 7/18


WL/ CCV:


AwfulWaffle---$145-$15078-100-CCV@WL-Dec-0/21, 0/22, 0/23, 100/24- sent 6/17, passed 7/7

shairpdrh---$160-$21668-125-CCV@WL-Dec-125/22, 187/23, 125/24- sent 5/16, passed 7/14

Simbacat---$119-$18300-150-CCV@WL-Sep-0/22, 9/23, 150/24- sent 6/22, passed 7/17

miggy03---$150-$16286-100-CCV@WL-Feb-0/22, 181/23, 100/24, 100/25- sent 6/27, passed 7/19

ManicPixieDust---$146-$15389-100-CCV@WL-Apr-0/22, 0/23, 100/24- sent 7/3, passed 7/21

badeacon---$145-$7778-50-CCV@WL-Feb-0/22, 0/23, 5/24, 50/25-CC split equally- sent 6/24, passed 7/25



VB:



dcladdict1---$50-$18075-320-VB-Feb-0/22, 192/23, 320/24, 320/25-seller pays 50% MF- sent 6/26, passed 7/19



WAITING




AKV:



ttran160---$100-$18074-160-AKV-Jun-0/22, 138/23, 160/24, 160/25- sent 6/30

John Purcell---$83.13-$15201-160-AKV-Sep-0/22, 0/23, 160/24-Buyer pays a $765 broker fee- sent 7/6



AUL:


Batuuwanderer---$135-$22050-160-AUL-Mar-0/22, 0/23, 140/24, 160/25-Subsidized dues- sent 7/12

DonMacGregor---$105-$8440-70-AUL-Dec-0/21, 0/22, 70/23, 70/24- sent 7/17

lexxus379---$123-$13782-100-AUL-Apr-200/23, 100/24, 100/25- Subsidized dues- sent 7/26

aleedisney---$135-$21650-160-AUL-Feb-0/22, 0/23, 160/24, 160/25-Subsidized dues- sent 7/27



BCV:


pangyal---$116-$32739-275-BCV-Feb-0/22, 0/23, 550/24, 275/25-Seller pays ‘23 MF- sent 7/14

Reckoner---$125-$19589-150-BCV-Apr-0/22, 8/23, 150/24- sent 7/17

Cyberc1978---$130-$22806-170-BCV-Oct-0/22, 340/23, 170/24-Seller pays '23 MF- sent 7/26


BLT:




SD13---$142-$18350-125-BLT-Aug-0/22, 0/23, 125/24- sent 7/5

shand32783---$130-$28190-200-BLT-Sep-0/22, 400/23, 200/24- sent 7/13



BWV:






HH:


E2ME2---$65-$3157.50-50-HHI-Apr-0/22, 0/23, 0/24, 50/25- sent 7/24

Ginamarie---$60-$10777-185-HH-Feb-0/22, 0/23, 90/24, 185/25-Credit for 2024 dues- sent 7/22


OKW:



Danahesson---$85-$30250-310-OKW-Jun-0/22, 295/23, 310/24, 310/25- sent 5/31

npatellye---$70-$12472-150-OKW-Apr-0/22, 170/23, 150/24, 150/25- sent 7/20



OKW EXTENDED:




PVB:




Pixie0117---$145-$18107-125-PVB-Feb-0/22, 0/23, 16/24, 125/25-seller credits MF on '24- sent 6/1

PolynesianPip---$159-$8400-50-PVB-Jun-0/22, 0/23, 50/24, 50/25- sent 6/28

PointsCentric---$135-$36594-250-PVB-Apr-0/22, 250/23, 250/24, 250/25- sent 7/13



RIV:




SSR:




mommy2allyandaveri---$85-$20215-210-SSR-Apr-0/22, 239/23, 210/24, 210/25- sent 6/15





VGC:


slippahs---$283-$31259-105-VGC-Dec-77/22, 105/23, 105/24- sent 6/2




VGF:








WL/ BRV:





WL/ CCV:



Rocky092---$120-$18828-150-CCV@WL-Sep-0/22, 0/23, 44/24- sent 7/6

DarthDadMan---$130-$25074-175-CCV@WL-Apr-0/22, 175/23, 175/24, 175/25- sent 7/21




VB:


Dado4---$60-$6733-100-VB-Aug-0/22, 183/23, 100/24-Seller pays 2023 MF- sent 6/20





TAKEN



AKV:





AUL:



BCV:




BLT:





BWV:




HH:




OKW:





OKW EXTENDED:




PVB:





SSR:





VGC:




VGF:




WL/ BRV:





WL/ CCV:





VB:

julie-o---$97.5-$10784-100-SSR-Sep-0/22, 31/23, 100/24, 100/25- sent 8/9