ROFR Thread April to June 2023 *PLEASE SEE FIRST POST FOR INSTRUCTIONS & FORMATTING TOOL*

[AstroBlasters]

Interesting way of looking at it. I am looking at resale then direct as a member add on purchase....I would have to do 200 points at $165 at AK on current member promo but that means only an $11,000 difference in purchase price (assuming $110/pt resale purchase)....over 34 years. So, broken out that way it is not that big a difference, ~325/yr extra cost...the dues are dues regardless of how the points are acquired. So while I wasn't doing the math that way it does suggest I am not too crazy....Thanks!

I’m not in the market for new points and so have not been following the exact details of the incentives, but I thought I would provide a thought process of why someone might want to think about having a mix of both if the number of points and incentives align.

I started off guns blazing that direct was for suckers who couldn’t see past the pixie dust, but have since been educated by other members and have acquired more personal experience with both.

I think your strategy of buying resale first and then direct at the “member add on” price is a very smart way to go IF you are going to go hybrid.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I have not found an AKL seller willing to negotiate at all. I've made a few offers over the past few days. All declined w/ no counter. Agent comes back and states seller is firm. I see a few get submit here that are lower than we're offering too. Frustrating . Good luck to you

Don’t give up. Make sure you are looking at every key DVC sales site. There’s still a couple hundred available AKV contracts for sale.

 

[gecko2021]

I’m not in the market for new points and so have not been following the exact details of the incentives, but I thought I would provide a thought process of why someone might want to think about having a mix of both if the number of points and incentives align.

I started off guns blazing that direct was for suckers who couldn’t see past the pixie dust, but have since been educated by other members and have acquired more personal experience with both.

I think your strategy of buying resale first and then direct at the “member add on” price is a very smart way to go IF you are going to go hybrid.

Other than the financial difference, which gets lots of attention, any thoughts or observations on only direct/only resale/hybrid differences? I am not aware of any "functional" difference between the points?

 

[AstroBlasters]

Other than the financial difference, which gets lots of attention, any thoughts or observations on only direct/only resale/hybrid differences? I am not aware of any "functional" difference between the points?

I haven’t noticed anything as long as the points are all in the same UY.

There might be an extra step for MS if transferring between UYs to combine points, but that won’t impact most people.

I am more careful about which points I use for a booking as I am more likely to bank my direct points in case we want the option to stay at VDH in 2024.

 

[gecko2021]

I haven’t noticed anything as long as the points are all in the same UY.

There might be an extra step for MS if transferring between UYs to combine points, but that won’t impact most people.

I am more careful about which points I use for a booking as I am more likely to bank my direct points in case we want the option to stay at VDH in 2024.

Ah, that makes sense and I hadn't thought of that, thank you

 

[Kkrup]

Kkrup---$100-$11777-100-SSR-Aug-0/22, 200/23, 100/24- sent 3/27, passed 4/4

Closing documents received today! Sent back arriving Friday 7th!!

 

[Chili327]

elenex---$105-$3493-25-BWV-Aug-0/22, 25/23, 25/24- sent 4/4

My unicorn contract miraculously appeared in the midst of a buyer's market. I hate buying 2042 points, but we love the boardwalk. We only go to WDW every 3 years or so now, but I realized a little too late that we were a tad short with the points on our first BWV contract. This puts us right in the sweet spot for the next 18 years. Yay!

Wow, that is crazy. So jealous.!!

Good luck! We weren't really in the market for points either, but after seeing on the great deals and telling my wife about it she said that if I can find one for $75pp at a resort we like then let's get it. A month later we've since closed on that BRV contract and just waiting for the points to load into our account!

BRV @ $75 pp? (nice, really nice)

I don't think any 500+ pt contract (especially one for Aulani since that resort will never sell out) could be considered a unicorn deal at any price. I just don't want that dues commitment, plus it would be super difficult/impossible to offload (as is the case right now).

Unless money isn't that big of an issue, then it could be just like spending a months salary. (wish that was my situation. lol)

This is so close to the contract I made an offer on, different UY but also 500 pts / 250 / 250 - I offered $88 and broker essentially told me I was an idiot.

I'd definitely never use that broker again... at least not the specific agent.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I’m not in the market for new points and so have not been following the exact details of the incentives, but I thought I would provide a thought process of why someone might want to think about having a mix of both if the number of points and incentives align.

I started off guns blazing that direct was for suckers who couldn’t see past the pixie dust, but have since been educated by other members and have acquired more personal experience with both.

I think your strategy of buying resale first and then direct at the “member add on” price is a very smart way to go IF you are going to go hybrid.

I agree with you, and went hybrid a few years ago. I also think that the more new resorts that open with resale restrictions, the gladder I will be to own direct so I can book them. And in less than 20 years, with Epcot resorts shutting out resale owners, those direct points will be even more useful.

 

[ClaraOswald]

I realize few will agree with me here, but let me play devil’s advocate of how it could make sense for some to go with a hybrid direct/resale approach depending on the incentives at the home resort they want:

1) If you are going to be a DVC member (resale or direct) then you are locking yourself into spending bundles of money with Disney every year anyways.
2) If you buy 150 resale AKV @$100pp w. $8.81 dues until 2057 then you will pay a total of $60,000 over the life of the contract (not including inflation) vs $69,000 direct @ $160pp.
3) Over the remaining 33 years of the contract, is it worth $273/year (+TVM) to get discounts on food and merchandise that you will probably buy anyway, access to all of the resorts ( RIV, VDH, BWV/BCV 2.0, Poly2), access to the lounges, access to reserved areas (TOTW), and any additional perks they may add in the future?
4) Buying resale is a drawn out mix of dopamine hits and stress bombs while buying direct is a stress free process that lets you buy exactly what you want and book your next vacation almost instantly.

What is TOTW?

I go back and forth about whether or not we should ever do direct if we decide to add a contract for WDW. I feel like the 150 minimum might be too many points if we only go every couple years and prefer a studio. And we'd never do any special event type things. I don't see our son wanting to sit in a lounge (we can barely get him to sit on a bench for a few minutes!) So I feel like the only perks for us would be food discounts (which probably don't equal the money saved by going resale) and the ability to book at new resorts.

But who knows what I'll think when the time comes.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

What is TOTW?

It’s a lounge at BLT that you’ll probably never go to unless you’re staying there. It used to be available to all DVC owners but not since it reopened post pandemic. Given the substantial number of bars at Disney (especially in the MK area) I don’t personally ascribe any value to it at all in my Direct vs Resale math.

 

[AstroBlasters]

What is TOTW?

I go back and forth about whether or not we should ever do direct if we decide to add a contract for WDW. I feel like the 150 minimum might be too many points if we only go every couple years and prefer a studio. And we'd never do any special event type things. I don't see our son wanting to sit in a lounge (we can barely get him to sit on a bench for a few minutes!) So I feel like the only perks for us would be food discounts (which probably don't equal the money saved by going resale) and the ability to book at new resorts.

But who knows what I'll think when the time comes.

1) Top of the World Lounge
2) Sitting in lounge: may be more applicable when the kiddo is older and they can jump on the Wi-Fi while charging their iPad. Also, may never be applicable. The WDW parks are so crowded and we can’t just walk back for a quick afternoon break like we can at VGC.
3) Direct points can also be used at VDH if you are trying to bank some of your VGC points for larger accommodations or a longer stay OR have multiple trips in a year.
4) You may want to start doing more 1BDs instead of studios as your child gets older, especially if they might be vacationing with you into adulthood.
5) Resale is still a smoking hot deal right now, I just wanted to share a perspective that may not get discussed in a thread dominated by a lot of first time purchasers or resale only members.
6) Moonlight Magic: Never say never….

 

[pianomanzano]

25 BRV @ $75 pp? (nice, really nice)

270pt, loaded too!

 

[Chili327]

270pt, loaded too!

Ahh, im not sure where i got 25pts from but that makes a lot more sense… and its still an amazing deal!!

 

[disney-inspired]

Sooo, my first contract passed ROFR yesterday and I submitted an offer for an SSR contract and it was accepted tonight.
Hopefully ROFR is just a fast or faster with this one. I'll post when they confirm it's submitted.

 

[CVG]

I realize few will agree with me here, but let me play devil’s advocate of how it could make sense for some to go with a hybrid direct/resale approach depending on the incentives at the home resort they want:

1) If you are going to be a DVC member (resale or direct) then you are locking yourself into spending bundles of money with Disney every year anyways.
2) If you buy 150 resale AKV @$100pp w. $8.81 dues until 2057 then you will pay a total of $60,000 over the life of the contract (not including inflation) vs $69,000 direct @ $160pp.
3) Over the remaining 33 years of the contract, is it worth $273/year (+TVM) to get discounts on food and merchandise that you will probably buy anyway, access to all of the resorts ( RIV, VDH, BWV/BCV 2.0, Poly2), access to the lounges, access to reserved areas (TOTW), and any additional perks they may add in the future?
4) Buying resale is a drawn out mix of dopamine hits and stress bombs while buying direct is a stress free process that lets you buy exactly what you want and book your next vacation almost instantly.

The alternative view is good, but needs some clarification.
1) I'm only planning 3 or 4 big vacations. I'm not going every year. If you cannot be sure that you will be going every year (Covid - cough) then this point fails. Unless you are local, I'd wager that many folks who thought they would go every year eventually found out otherwise. And anyhow, why would you WANT to spend all your vacation time there? There's a whole real world to explore as well.
3) There are 9 other resorts you can try before "missing" Riviera and maybe others. Will you be going 10 times? Can you afford to go 10 times? Some will, some won't. IF you go every year then you still have to spend $273/discount to make it worth it on that basis. Will you spend $2730 every year on food and plastic nick-nacks?
4) Instant gratification is nearly always very expensive. Better to plan and save.

It'll be great to get some real life input to see how many people go every year, or don't, and how much they spend. But that is probably best for another thread.

 

[lovethesun12]

Jimmy Geppetto---$68-$17556-250-SSR-Feb-0/22, 500/23, 250/24- sent 4/5

After working through my addonitis for the past year, I'm waving the white flag. Where do I sign? I didn't even know I wanted SSR points.

 

[Einstein509]

I haven’t noticed anything as long as the points are all in the same UY.

There might be an extra step for MS if transferring between UYs to combine points, but that won’t impact most people.

I am more careful about which points I use for a booking as I am more likely to bank my direct points in case we want the option to stay at VDH in 2024.

No difference at all that I noticed, other than not being able to book RIV with resale points.

 

[Billy_Anzovino]

I agree with you, and went hybrid a few years ago. I also think that the more new resorts that open with resale restrictions, the gladder I will be to own direct so I can book them. And in less than 20 years, with Epcot resorts shutting out resale owners, those direct points will be even more useful.

Edit: I didn't read to the end of an april fools joke post. Whoops.

Has it been confirmed that Epcot resorts will be unavailable to resale once the existing contracts expire? I've seen contacts getting extension offers.

 

[Bmramaut]

Has it been confirmed that Epcot resorts will be unavailable to resale once the existing contracts expire? I've seen contacts getting extension offers.

I have not heard of BCV or BWV getting extensions?! This is brand new info to me.

 

[Billy_Anzovino]

I have not heard of BCV or BWV getting extensions?! This is brand new info to me.

I went back to find it again and turns out I skimmed an april fools joke too quickly. Sorry