Rock n Roller Coaster UNSTARRING Aerosmith

[WEDWDW]

The lawsuit against Tyler is DAMNING!

What a headache for Disney!

 

[Dan Murphy]

The lawsuit against Tyler is DAMNING!

What a headache for Disney!

So others may know what you are posting about.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/steven-tyler-sexual-assault-minor-lawsuit-1234653817/

 

[georgina]

Thanks Dan for the reference.

I'm pretty jaded about celebrities and pro athletes having any consequences for past sexual misbehavior/assault, so I will watch with mild interest.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Well that is horrifyingly disturbing. Another one bites the dust, what is it with powerful people wanting to subjugate others?

The whole Hollywood scene always struck me as off. As an adult it now seems like the whole "star and starlet discovered on the street" fantasy was nothing more than an ad campaign that insured sex traffickers and abusers a steady stream of vulnerable young people to prey upon as they stumbled out of busses with dreams. They go to be stars, the pretty ones ended up with small roles getting them pawed at and passed around by industry bigwigs only to be paired with rich significant others and the rest ended up coerced into adult film and as street workers. It is such an ugly thing and not all that well hidden.

 

[Eeyore daily]

Not sure how it’s damning when Tyler has admitted to it for years. Is it disturbing? Yes. (That woman is equally disturbing but that’s not a disboards allowed discussion). Tyler himself admitted to the relationship in 1997 but the ride opened in 1999, meaning it probably won’t retheme anything.

 

[Disneefun]

It's disturbing and not cool, but it sounds like a lot of her beef needs to lie with the parents who gave her over to him. (The article I read doesn't mention money changing hands, but you have to think her parents were paid off so he could become her "guardian.") Also, while it doesn't excuse anything, it was the early 70's and a lot of places were still in the free love hippie phase, so the morals and culture were a bit different. They've both admitted to this at various points over the years, so it seems to me that this is a money grab to get in under the wire of a law that ends tomorrow allowing for these suits that can go back decades. Should it have happened? No, but the context is a bit broader.

 

[Disneylover99]

Not sure how it’s damning when Tyler has admitted to it for years. Is it disturbing? Yes. (That woman is equally disturbing but that’s not a disboards allowed discussion). Tyler himself admitted to the relationship in 1997 but the ride opened in 1999, meaning it probably won’t retheme anything.

It’s been news for years, but now that she actually filed a lawsuit against him, I can see the possibility of a retheming of the ride.

 

[BrianL]

Not sure how it’s damning when Tyler has admitted to it for years. Is it disturbing? Yes. (That woman is equally disturbing but that’s not a disboards allowed discussion). Tyler himself admitted to the relationship in 1997 but the ride opened in 1999, meaning it probably won’t retheme anything.

Yes, the situation is not news, only the lawsuit filed at a deadline. This has been known about for a long time. That said, it's certainly a point of contention and subject to scrutiny. Was it assault? Was he grooming her? Was she a 16 year old throwing herself at a rock star? The really odd part for me is her parents involvement/encouragement of it, so, you know.

I doubt this will really be any reason for retheming the ride, though I do think that Aerosmith's decreasing relevancy is more likely to be the cause of that (though I do like a lot of their music).

 

[Lumpy1106]

Doing some quick math;
Tyler is 74
Relationship started when he was 27 and she was 16.
Victim in this case is now in her 60s.
IMHO, this does not rise to the level where this and only this would be the reason to re-theme RnRC. It's this, and the fact that Aerosmith is no longer relevant, and Disney is still paying the band royalties, and the ride will be shut down soon for repairs anyway. Add to that the rumor mill went into high gear and Disney has not said anything other than the ride needs regular maintenance. It sounds to me like Imagineering had better get to the drawing boards if they aren't already (and something tells me they have been for a while).

 

[Suger Mag]

Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.... put in a cool animatronic inside the "recording booth" add in a few Muppets here and there, especially the more 'sensitive' Animal (prolly not a good idea to have him running around going "Woman, woman, woman" anymore) ... easy peasy retheme

 

[Karin1984]

Doing some quick math;
Tyler is 74
Relationship started when he was 27 and she was 16.
Victim in this case is now in her 60s.
IMHO, this does not rise to the level where this and only this would be the reason to re-theme RnRC. It's this, and the fact that Aerosmith is no longer relevant, and Disney is still paying the band royalties, and the ride will be shut down soon for repairs anyway. Add to that the rumor mill went into high gear and Disney has not said anything other than the ride needs regular maintenance. It sounds to me like Imagineering had better get to the drawing boards if they aren't already (and something tells me they have been for a while).

In Paris Rock 'n Roller Coaster has already been replaced by Avengers Assemble. For just that reason, the new crowds don't know Aerosmith well enough to justify a ride.

 

[Colleen27]

In Paris Rock 'n Roller Coaster has already been replaced by Avengers Assemble. For just that reason, the new crowds don't know Aerosmith well enough to justify a ride.

But since they can't just copy that in Orlando because of the Marvel rights issues, they'd have to come up with a different alternative. And call me cynical but every time the rumor mill has started throwing out potential replacements for Aerosmith, it has been a batch of flash-in-the-pan Disney Channel and teen pop stars. No one that would be remembered in 5 or 10 years, never mind by future generations. But I also don't see Disney shelling out for the rights to someone not already tied to the company, so my guess is that nothing will change with the rehab (except, hopefully, that the ride might be able to get through a day without breaking down every now and then).

 

[Planogirl]

The parents horrify me the most here. How could they do this?

 

[Christine]

The parents horrify me the most here. How could they do this?

I don't know but it certainly was a different time and, heck, I knew a few 16 y/o's in the 70s who were legally allowed to marry (and to men in their early 20s). Saw it in the military. Guess it depends what the state laws are.

Anyway, back to musicians, I believe there is a similar story out there with Ted Nugent and a 14 y/o.

TImes and attitudes and the maturity of some girls were MUCH different in the 70s. I was 17 y/o and dated a 27 y/o musician (not famous but I thought he was cool). Granted, I had a December birthday and was in my freshman year of college when this started. Absolutely my choice and no regrets nor did I feel pressured, subjugated, etc. But we all know that 16 year olds never make the best decisions and adults shouldn't be participating in that.

We were much more independent and free roaming than today.

 

[Karin1984]

But since they can't just copy that in Orlando because of the Marvel rights issues, they'd have to come up with a different alternative. And call me cynical but every time the rumor mill has started throwing out potential replacements for Aerosmith, it has been a batch of flash-in-the-pan Disney Channel and teen pop stars. No one that would be remembered in 5 or 10 years, never mind by future generations. But I also don't see Disney shelling out for the rights to someone not already tied to the company, so my guess is that nothing will change with the rehab (except, hopefully, that the ride might be able to get through a day without breaking down every now and then).

Doesn't have to be complicated, turn it into Cars. Racing Academy is right next door.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Doesn't have to be complicated, turn it into Cars. Racing Academy is right next door.

A Monsters Inc door coaster has also been mentioned as an idea a whole ton.

 

[HopperFan]

Could care less about a 50 year old story about a rock star and a groupie (who now wants to cash in). Different time and world, not news or newsworthy.

My understanding is that RnR is going down for heavy duty maintenance on the launch system ~ something that likely is an important part of the safety of the ride. Yes, it's the perfect time to retheme it to a Disney owned IP aka royalty free and no further contracts.

I vote Goofy Movie ~ Powerline Max. Goofy & fam deserves more than a kiddie coaster. The appeal is across ages. But the above mention of Muppets Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem would be unique and good use of IP.

ADDED: I think the retheme is 100% rumor with no info from Disney, was just playing along on ideas.

 

[OKW Lover]

I'd expect a lawsuit to be "damning". It is designed to present the circumstances in the absolute worst light. It's pretty standard legal posturing.

I've got no idea, nor do I care, if the allegations are true.

 

[Moliphino]

Anyway, back to musicians, I believe there is a similar story out there with Ted Nugent and a 14 y/o.

You'll find similar stories about a ton of musicians from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I don't know but it certainly was a different time and, heck, I knew a few 16 y/o's in the 70s who were legally allowed to marry (and to men in their early 20s). Saw it in the military. Guess it depends what the state laws are.

Anyway, back to musicians, I believe there is a similar story out there with Ted Nugent and a 14 y/o.

TImes and attitudes and the maturity of some girls were MUCH different in the 70s. I was 17 y/o and dated a 27 y/o musician (not famous but I thought he was cool). Granted, I had a December birthday and was in my freshman year of college when this started. Absolutely my choice and no regrets nor did I feel pressured, subjugated, etc. But we all know that 16 year olds never make the best decisions and adults shouldn't be participating in that.

We were much more independent and free roaming than today.

I was thinking the same, and have heard claims like this about others....Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin comes to mind. He was 28 and the girl was 14, and the kicker.....her Mother used to drive her to see him. I've read similar things about several others. Not excusing it of course.