Respect for other guests

[jnoble82]

Nope. That's always been the rule. Flash is allowed at FoLK. I agree with you though, that it's very annoying and distracting!

Wow...swear I heard no flash but it could be when we were learning how to make the giraffe noise lol. Of all the shows to allow it in, that one is the worst.

Had three people near me on little mermaid use their flash. Didn't really grate me that much but I thought of this thread

 

[AliceandAriel]

It's definitely an entitlement issue for not just the current generation, but the current lay of the general public perception. I've seen well-grown adults act worse than five year olds with a flood light when it came to their phone, clicking away rabidly and flashing everything in sight. Seriously lady, put the smartphone down and enjoy the ride. I've also seen fifteen year olds with better manners than forty year old men, keeping hands to himself and being respectful and tasteful about what he did or said.

Social media tells us to 'share share share' with everyone, which is why people are learning to avoid it like the plague. I really don't want to know you had waffles to breakfast, just as I didn't want to know you had to visit the doctor to check in on your toe fungus. Gross.

That being said, to the OP. Photos in dark rides, big no-no WITH FLASH ON. People who do that, need to be hung upside down for an hour by their toenails. Flash off? Hey, have at it. You're the one who's hiding behind a screen all day and wasting your vacation. Me? I'm enjoying the ride, maybe I'll take a picture the second time WITHOUT FLASH so I don't disturb anyone.

We rode Ariel's ride in WDW this past May. Being an Ariel obsessed nut, I had to take some pictures. Want to know how many I looked at later? None. I missed the entire ride hiding behind a screen. Luckily for the live show later, I sat in the front row, filmed some segments of Under the Sea for me sister to see when I got home, but I recorded it without Flash, accepted it was going to suck, and made sure I wasn't upsetting anyone with the filming. I even apologized to the people around me a few times and they said they didn't even know I had a phone out. THAT'S how you're supposed to film/photo stuff; inconspicuously. If you're going to do it, be respectful and low-key about it.

As for people shoving into you or in front of you for a fireworks show, I believe that's what the good old, "Excuse me, I was here, you're not going to shove into me. Move along" comment works wonders if it bothers you that much. People recording things like Illuminations, Wishes, etc. will always have Flash on, and eh, it's to be expected. Doesn't mean you or I have to like it, but I'd rather them flash the bejeezus out of Wishes instead of POC or PPF.

I think you all need to tour with me. All 5 foot nothing of me can always seem to manage to get everyone around me to follow the rules. Mostly just to shut me up, but it seems to work. I start out nice, but if you don't comply I have an extremely sharp tongue and a wicked Irish temper. I really don't mean to get so belligerent, but once I get started, I can't seem to stop. I have gotten numerous rounds of applause from people around me though when I get some self-entitled jerk to stop doing what they are doing so I guess I'm not THAT bad.

I will let little kids in front of me at a parade though if the parent (or child) asks nicely, but if an adult tries to push though they will meet with an immovable wall, and a glare, and an "excuse you, I'm standing here, find another spot or get behind me".

Good gracious, can you go with us? I nearly bit my tongue off last time between foreigners and their kids shoving into me left and right, and people with their flash on in dark rides nearly had me screaming murder.

 

[angierae]

It's not even a younger generation thing. I am currently on vacation somewhere else than Disney and I have been flabbergasted at the amount of ill-behaved people, mostly elderly people in tour groups who think that being specifically told to be quiet during a tour (there were 20 tour group members and 10 non- group people on a carriage ride) so that everyone could hear the driver giving the tour was clearly instructions for everyone BUT them.

Another group showed up to a demonstration we were attending late, talking loudly, picking seats directly in front of people when plenty of other seats available, etc.

It's not just young people, it's not just Disney. But it's quite annoying.

 

[Sheilby]

Good gracious, can you go with us? I nearly bit my tongue off last time between foreigners and their kids shoving into me left and right, and people with their flash on in dark rides nearly had me screaming murder.

Sure, I'm thinking of hiring myself out.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

One of the things I'm always surprised at is what people claim to have ruined their entire holiday. Does a flash going off on rides really ruin your entire vacation? We don't take flash photos on rides that specifically state not to. Our only exception was POTC one evening during EMH, however we were the only ones on the boat and there was no one in the boat in front and 2-3 boats behind us, MK was almost empty.

 

[2Tiggies]

I posted on here yesterday and didn't see the poll. Or was it added later?

Anyway, I would not be happy at all if they banned photography. I go to great lengths to stop and check my camera settings and ensure that all lights and flashes are disabled before entering shows and dark rides and invest money in low light lenses to allow me to be able to take these photos.

Of course there's nothing quite like someone else's flash on a dark ride or in a show to ruin your carefully set photo so I am absolutely for Disney taking a hard line on those who do not comply with the rules. But I don't see why everyone else should be penalized for those who have a complete disregard for policies in place. No, it does not ruin my vacation because someone else used a flash when they weren't supposed to. But it can detract from the effects of the ride/show when they do. I don't not use a flash because I am considering others; I don't use a flash because there are signs and requests from CM's asking me not to. It's that simple

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

~I just read the first page, but some of the options on here are too funny -- it's kind like wanting no screaming on a roller coaster! But, yeah flash photography thing on dark rides is totally rude. I'm not sure how common this is because I've never encountered it in the parks. I also find holding up the line to take photos very annoying -- just a few quick snapshots is not an issue, just those whose take five minutes to focus the lens.

~ETA: I didn't vote -- but speaking politely to "rude" people, on vacation? Hmmm... I don't think so.

 

[RunningWithScissors]

I have been to Disney at least 8 times in the past 6 years and have never encountered these "rude" photography people on rides. Not sure if I just don't notice it--I choose my battles -- or if people aren't doing it. Of course, you will see the sea of phones recording and photographing Wishes, but seriously, who doesn't want to take THAT home with them??!! Regardless, no rule, no complaining person, no nothing will stop rude people from being rude. It is how YOU choose to react to it that makes the difference. If someone is in your way, politely ask them to move. If someone is taking multiple flash photos and it is truly bothering you, ask them to stop. If these people say NO, that is their right. OR---you can choose to not let the "little" things get under your skin. I have a very low tolerance level for stupidity, lack of common sense and annoying people. What I have been able to do over the last few years is TUNE THEM OUT. I don't give them any recognition, no attention, nothing. It has made my life more blissful than ever. No matter how many times you ask someone to "change their behavior", if they are simply a jerk, they won't change. Don't let that stuff ruin your day. YOU are in charge of YOUR day--not someone else.

As for photography, sometimes I take the big SLR to the park with multiple lenses, sometimes I stick to the iPhone. I shoot in RAW so I never use a flash. That little flash on top of the camera is worthless anyway, so I don't use it. I adjust my settings so I can take awesome pictures in the darker rides. Shoot in Aperture setting and you can control everything. A crappy flash can ruin a good picture in a second. Do your pictures a favor and just turn it off!

 

[Magpie]

Our society has Become a self entitled society. Everyone has te right to do what they deem to be important to them without regard for others.

As a PP said, it's not Disney, it's just general decline of consideration and it's world wide. Sad, but true

A PP said it best, though - entitlement. We live in a world where people think the rules don't apply to them and don't CARE if they ruin the experience for someone else as long as they got what they wanted.

There really are people who believe rules and general common sense politeness don't apply to them. And it seems there are more of those people all the time.

Lack of respect is everywhere, not just WDW. We live in a nation where it is all about "me" and entitlement. The other part of the issue is that Disney does not enforce their own rules.

It's not even a younger generation thing. I am currently on vacation somewhere else than Disney and I have been flabbergasted at the amount of ill-behaved people, mostly elderly people in tour groups who think that being specifically told to be quiet during a tour (there were 20 tour group members and 10 non- group people on a carriage ride) so that everyone could hear the driver giving the tour was clearly instructions for everyone BUT them.

Another group showed up to a demonstration we were attending late, talking loudly, picking seats directly in front of people when plenty of other seats available, etc.

It's not just young people, it's not just Disney. But it's quite annoying.

Angierae's got it! This lack of consideration is not a generational thing. It's not specific to this time or era, it's not a "national" problem (I assume that means the US?), nor is it a problem with "foreigners" (non-US citizens?), and we can't blame it on modern technology.

It's not just young people, and it's not just Disney. It's just people.

The only thing that's increasing is our perception of the world as a rude place.

There have always been rude, inconsiderate people around. Every entitled senior you meet was once an entitled young person. But when you were young, you were too busy having fun to either notice or remember them. Youth is a delightfully self-absorbed time of life.

Whenever someone says, "I wouldn't have even thought of being so rude when I was their age!" I always think, "Well, of course you wouldn't. You are a polite, considerate person who was once a reasonably polite, considerate child. But, even back in the good old days, not all kids were exactly like you."

I may be alone in this, but I have a lot of optimism for today's society. I think we're doing okay.

Now, if we can just get through to certain people that they need to turn their flash off when on rides, all will be good...

 

[goofy4tink]

I go to WDW a lot...at least twice a year. Been going since '99. The lack of respect seems to be getting worse. Now, granted, there are those guests that have no idea how to turn off the flash on their cameras. Lots of them. But there are those that just have no idea how the flash works...and that the photo of Johnny Depp in Pirates just isn't going to look the way they think it is..not unless they are using something other than a point and shoot with the flash on!!!
My favorite flash story? The idiot teen girls who all started with the flash photography as we got to Mdm Leota in HM!! Oh man..it was awful. All you saw were flashes going off as we went around that oval. Other guests were screaming at the girls..the girls told them to, well, I can't say it here!!! But you get the idea. It was nasty. And not one CM said or did anything.
Of course, there was the CM on Ellen's Living with Energy that stopped the ride finally and told the person with the flash that if they didn't stop right then, the camera was going to be taken away from them. They stopped. They had had about 5 warnings prior to that!!

Yes, there is a language issue. But, here's the thing...before you go to a foreign country, it's a good idea to know what the rules are. Most guests have some English so can figure out that no flash means, well...no flash. It is mentioned in several languages.

And that whole 'seeing your vacation thru the lens'? We've all been there. I like to record little snippets of parades and fireworks to share with my dd when she's at home and missing it. I cherish the photos of my mom when she traveled with us to WDW for that first trip in '99. But I didn't feel the need to take shots of her inside dark rides!! Plenty of opportunities outside in the light, without bothering everyone around you!!

And yes, I do take my iPad-mini with me. But, I don't use it to take photos with. I find it to be obtrusive to say the least. It links with my cell phone so any photos on my phone go right to the iPad. I hate nothing more than to try to watch the fireworks through a sea of iPads!!!

 

[Candl]

Sure, I'm thinking of hiring myself out.

You want to be careful about "hiring" yourself out!! Disney seems to be cracking down on that lately

As several others have pointed out, when you had to pay for a camera, film and developing of said film, people were a lot more careful of what & how many pictures they took. Now, when your phone, or God forbid, f$%#ing iPad / Tablet can take pictures, I find people spend all there time staring at a screen so they don't miss anything. The reality, as has been stated before, is they miss EVERYTHING (including the point of being there).

I have taken my fair share of pictures at Disney. Any of my pictures with flash involve shots of my family (never on a ride). Any pictures I have taken on a ride(without flash), are not of the ride, but of my kids reaction to the ride (the look on my son's face on IASW was priceless). Any other pictures I typically take are of decorations at the park or lighting of the castle that I find unique & interesting. And, I can count the number of pics I took with my phone on one hand.

When will people understand, it's a phone (or tablet/computer) not a camera?!? Although, I might as well ask, When will people learn how to use their camera so they can set the thing up properly (ie, Flash Picture from >6ft away = Picture in Trash Bin)?!?

I agree that courtesy is an endangered animal. Here's hoping it recovers to threatened as opposed to becoming extinct!

 

[APiratesLifeForMe2]

Ok I forget what book it was in but one year I read a WDW book so I could plan to see things I ever notice before. (I think hidden magic
or something) It recommended taking a flash photo on a specific part of a wall in spaceship earth. This is a dark ride and it was a few years ago so I don't recall exactly what point on the ride it was but I did take the ONE flash photo. When I viewed the photo you could see so many cool images on the wall only seen with a flash photo. I dreaded taking the photo but it was in a published book and it would only be one photo.

I never film or photograph in a ride under any other circumstance but I pose the question, why "hide" things in a ride that can only be seen when breaking the rules?

 

[stitchlovestink]

When we were there last week they said flash photography WAS allowed, just NO lights on your video camera. I still rarely use a flash, just because I don't like the "look" of flash photos...but just letting you know that it was allowed in the FOTLK.

Last year I swear they announced several times no flash. And if they have changed it, then I am definitely not going to see it again. All the flashing was so distracting I had a hard time watching the show because all I saw was the flash. Thank you for that info!

Nope. That's always been the rule. Flash is allowed at FoLK. I agree with you though, that it's very annoying and distracting!

I know the two different times I saw FoTLK this year on separate trips, they did not ban flash photography, only external video lighting. As far as I can recall, in all the times I have been in the past, that is the way it has always been, I can't ever recall them saying NO FLASH photography.

What I do not get in this entire thread is those who feel that people taking photos is disrespectful or rude???? In a dark ride, yes. Maybe even holding up an ipad or tablet, but taking pictures in normal lighting conditions or during a parade or fireworks? Seriously???? I would call that a "me" attitude for sure.

Agreed...

I didn't read anywhere where anyone claimed taking pictures is rude. I only read that lighting up dark rides with your flashes or recording lights is rude and that holding up a tablet above your head and blocking other people is rude. Other people simply pointed out that there is no need to record every ride, parade and firework on your little phone. Chances are you can download that exact same footage, taken with a better camera and then you can actually watch the ride, parade or firework. However, holding recording devices above your head and blocking those behind you who thought they got an OK spot is kinda rude. It's like putting your kid up on your shoulders right before the action starts and people can no longer get to a new position. You are entitled to your space, but not every bit of space around you.

maybe!! but maybe not... and I have been enough to know what I want pictures of. I tend to look for obscure things to take pictures of.
I also look for opportunities that are one time deals... not always the run of the mill photo. And on top of that, you have to spend the time scouring the internet looking for the picture and it is 'possible' that the photographer has put a copyright on their photo if it is a really good one. That's why I prefer to shoot my own. I know what I want. Plus it is a part of my trip trying to find different angles of WDW thru a photo lens, but not at the detriment of other guests!

~I just read the first page, but some of the options on here are too funny -- it's kind like wanting no screaming on a roller coaster! But, yeah flash photography thing on dark rides is totally rude. I'm not sure how common this is because I've never encountered it in the parks. I also find holding up the line to take photos very annoying -- just a few quick snapshots is not an issue, just those whose take five minutes to focus the lens.

~ETA: I didn't vote -- but speaking politely to "rude" people, on vacation? Hmmm... I don't think so.

My annoying one is the parent wanting to take a picture in the ride queue of something like Buzz Lightyear. And the kid won't cooperate...won't look at them, smile, etc... either let people go past you, or GIVE UP!!! But do not continue to hold up the line! That is rude!! Plus it is too close to the boarding area!!

 

[River Country]

Yeah ill make this short and sweet. I think that people taking flash pics inside dark attractions are just plain old ignorant.

I feel like yelling "It's not going to come out good dummy" but that would make me equally as ignorant.

There are 2 instances that i would and have had words with one of these Mensa members is when they take pictures of characters when my DD is there. There is no reason for you to take a picture of Goofy with my Daughter in your photo. I have actually had people delete photos from their device with the assistance of security, twice actually. The second instance is character dining. SIT DOWN and wait your turn like everyone else.

Ok that wasnt short or sweet

Thank You

 

[ttintagel]

Seems like a lot of people are flabbergasted every time they discover other human beings exist. Try to introduce them to the concept that those other humans want, and deserve, to enjoy the same spaces they do, and it blows their minds. Sometimes it's funny; sometimes it gets ugly. I've asked people to stop using flash next to me on dark rides, and explained why, and the looks on their faces! You'd have thought my left head was speaking in Klingon while my right head was doing Groucho Marx impressions!

And, yeah, signs and announcements do no good. I worked in a museum plastered with "No Flash Photography" signs, which were apparently invisible to the human eye. Sad part is, the vast majority of the people we caught and asked to stop, told us they had no idea how to turn the flash off on their own cameras.

 

[robinb]

There are 2 instances that i would and have had words with one of these Mensa members is when they take pictures of characters when my DD is there. There is no reason for you to take a picture of Goofy with my Daughter in your photo. I have actually had people delete photos from their device with the assistance of security, twice actually. The second instance is character dining. SIT DOWN and wait your turn like everyone else.

Wait a second. You were at a character meal and you called security to have someone delete a photo they took of a character with your DD? I am sorry, but you have NO expectation of privacy IN PUBLIC at a character meal, or a meet and greet or virtually anywhere else in WDW (except for the bathrooms and some "boys in the bathrooms" debates even question that). You were way out of line.

 

[Granny square]

Wait a second. You were at a character meal and you called security to have someone delete a photo they took of a character with your DD? I am sorry, but you have NO expectation of privacy IN PUBLIC at a character meal, or a meet and greet or virtually anywhere else in WDW (except for the bathrooms and some "boys in the bathrooms" debates even question that). You were way out of line.

Yeah...if you don't want your family in other's pictures you pretty much don't need to be at Disney!

 

[nansmama]

I will never forget the lady who had the huge semi-pro camera on Nemo (the kind with spotlight and extra bright flash) who took pictures CONSTANTLY throughout the ride. It really did ruin the ride for those around her, including us. And I can't imagine her pictures even came out. That ride is at least 70% plexiglass, LOL.

 

[Magpie]

Wait a second. You were at a character meal and you called security to have someone delete a photo they took of a character with your DD? I am sorry, but you have NO expectation of privacy IN PUBLIC at a character meal, or a meet and greet or virtually anywhere else in WDW (except for the bathrooms and some "boys in the bathrooms" debates even question that). You were way out of line.

Pretty much what I was thinking, too. I've caught plenty of other people's kids in the backgrounds of our photos at WDW. Never thought twice about it!

I really have to wonder... what does she do when people buy ride photos that include her kid? There's a photo hanging on my wall right now of the four of us on Everest, plus a mom and her kid in the very back. Part of the reason I bought it (besides the fact that it had all of us) was because the kid sitting behind me was making a hilarious face!

 

[BayouMickey]

Wait a second. You were at a character meal and you called security to have someone delete a photo they took of a character with your DD? I am sorry, but you have NO expectation of privacy IN PUBLIC at a character meal, or a meet and greet or virtually anywhere else in WDW (except for the bathrooms and some "boys in the bathrooms" debates even question that). You were way out of line.

I'm having a problem believing security would entertain such a request..